Leaving Neverland 2: Surviving MJ: Ch4 9pm.
Discussion
Colonel Cupcake said:
He is long since dead and cannot counter any accusations now. Just saying it over and over again doesn't make it true, especially if you were not saying it whilst he was alive.
That argument provides a possible redemption arc for Sir Jimmy Savile now then, now then…. I’m going to build a petting zoo and funfare an invite kids over….dodgy AF…
I think he was incredibly naive in his behaviour, sick parents took advantage but so are lawyers on his side now ,he paid off people to make it go away but more kept coming out , doesn’t mean it didn’t happen in some cases.
I think he was incredibly naive in his behaviour, sick parents took advantage but so are lawyers on his side now ,he paid off people to make it go away but more kept coming out , doesn’t mean it didn’t happen in some cases.
Legacywr said:
You don't think he's guilty?
What about Prince Andrew?
You need to understand how the legal system works, especially in America and also the realities of getting into a civil court case.What about Prince Andrew?
Prince Andrew, as a UK citizen, is an even greater example of why settling out of court is not a tacit admission of guilt.
Legacywr said:
You don't think he's guilty?
What about Prince Andrew?
I'm not convinced about Michael Jackson. As far as I can tell, he has never faced a criminal trial. It's also telling that his accusers waited until he had died before making claims.What about Prince Andrew?
Same goes for Jimmy Savile. I know some allegations were made prior to his death but the police investigated and brought no charges and we have to accept that.
Prince Andrew? I really don't know.
I'm just glad we have a legal system that determines peoples guilt based on evidence, not heresay. I believe that once someone has died, its too late to make any claims.
For sure there is no doubt he had an unusual relationship with other peoples children and he was extremely messed up.
How far he went and how sexualised it all was is open for debate still.
Big question is, is it still OK to listen to and enjoy his music and performances?
I'm an Artist and many of my hero's in Art had many many issues, Egon Schiele used to invite the young female wafes and strays into his studio to draw them in various states of undress, this was early 1900's and most of his best work is based on this.
Jackson Pollock crashed a car drunk killing himself and his mistresses best friend in the process....
For me i still enjoy his music and still love to show my kids what a proper pop star performance looks like....
I do though believe the people in the documentary...
How far he went and how sexualised it all was is open for debate still.
Big question is, is it still OK to listen to and enjoy his music and performances?
I'm an Artist and many of my hero's in Art had many many issues, Egon Schiele used to invite the young female wafes and strays into his studio to draw them in various states of undress, this was early 1900's and most of his best work is based on this.
Jackson Pollock crashed a car drunk killing himself and his mistresses best friend in the process....
For me i still enjoy his music and still love to show my kids what a proper pop star performance looks like....
I do though believe the people in the documentary...
Legacywr said:
It's not as simple as that.There's a big difference between a criminal trial and a civil case, especially in the U.S.
I am not proclaiming Jackson's innocence - other than the fact that he's never been criminally charged with anything. Some of his behaviour was naive at best and downright worrying at worst.
He was a weird guy but weird doesn't mean guilty and settling cases outside of court doesn't mean guilty either.
It's therefore not possible to totally proclaim him guilty or innocent.
He was criminally charged - the documentary covers it :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Michael_Jac...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Michael_Jac...
chilluk7 said:
He was criminally charged - the documentary covers it :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Michael_Jac...
but was aquitted of all charges.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Michael_Jac...
ChocolateFrog said:
Colonel Cupcake said:
He is long since dead and cannot counter any accusations now. Just saying it over and over again doesn't make it true, especially if you were not saying it whilst he was alive.
Wowsers. I assume OJ didn't kill anyone either.
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