Shoot to Kill - Terror on the Tube
Discussion
I've watched the second one now.
From what was shown in the programme it does seem reasonable to me that no single officer was prosecuted. It just seems to have been a muddle of poor communication from the point Jean Charles De Menezes left his flat. And all in the context of the tension of the previous bombings and failed bombings.
In the clips, the family were rightly really upset and it's also understandable that they focused on the firearms officers. It was nice though that the final thing from a family member was the fella being more empathetic and pointing out that punishing someone wouldn't change things.
I noted that the TV producer said he still speaks to people that think that De Menezes acted suspiciously and brought it on himself. So for what it's worth, I'll use this post to say again that he didn't. All of that was erroneously reported. It was a firearms officer that ran through the tube station and vaulted a barrier and there was also a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why De Menezes got off a bus and then got back on the same one.
From what was shown in the programme it does seem reasonable to me that no single officer was prosecuted. It just seems to have been a muddle of poor communication from the point Jean Charles De Menezes left his flat. And all in the context of the tension of the previous bombings and failed bombings.
In the clips, the family were rightly really upset and it's also understandable that they focused on the firearms officers. It was nice though that the final thing from a family member was the fella being more empathetic and pointing out that punishing someone wouldn't change things.
I noted that the TV producer said he still speaks to people that think that De Menezes acted suspiciously and brought it on himself. So for what it's worth, I'll use this post to say again that he didn't. All of that was erroneously reported. It was a firearms officer that ran through the tube station and vaulted a barrier and there was also a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why De Menezes got off a bus and then got back on the same one.
Dubious show that seems to have been made for the current period in history where apparently you can cause any amount of deaths you like and its ok.
What fantasy do all there gun cops play in their heads? His daily life since retiring seems to be the one on rambo and mark walberg films,carrying a huge log back to the cabin lol.
A life probably all made up like his evidence.
What fantasy do all there gun cops play in their heads? His daily life since retiring seems to be the one on rambo and mark walberg films,carrying a huge log back to the cabin lol.
A life probably all made up like his evidence.
hondajack85 said:
Dubious show that seems to have been made for the current period in history where apparently you can cause any amount of deaths you like and its ok.
What fantasy do all there gun cops play in their heads? His daily life since retiring seems to be the one on rambo and mark walberg films,carrying a huge log back to the cabin lol.
A life probably all made up like his evidence.
On the basis it was 19 years ago, when was it different? What fantasy do all there gun cops play in their heads? His daily life since retiring seems to be the one on rambo and mark walberg films,carrying a huge log back to the cabin lol.
A life probably all made up like his evidence.
hondajack85 said:
Dubious show that seems to have been made for the current period in history where apparently you can cause any amount of deaths you like and its ok.
What fantasy do all there gun cops play in their heads? His daily life since retiring seems to be the one on rambo and mark walberg films,carrying a huge log back to the cabin lol.
A life probably all made up like his evidence.
How many time have you been made to confront a believed terrorist at close range just days after London has been attacked twice with deadly bombs? What fantasy do all there gun cops play in their heads? His daily life since retiring seems to be the one on rambo and mark walberg films,carrying a huge log back to the cabin lol.
A life probably all made up like his evidence.
Randy Winkman said:
Just remembered the guy in the first episode who confronted the failed bomber on the tube. A brave fella.
Yes, he was a fireman. How frustrated was he when he told the driver to keep the doors closed to contain the "bomber" and the doors opened and it allowed him to escape. hondajack85 said:
Dubious show that seems to have been made for the current period in history where apparently you can cause any amount of deaths you like and its ok.
What fantasy do all there gun cops play in their heads? His daily life since retiring seems to be the one on rambo and mark walberg films,carrying a huge log back to the cabin lol.
A life probably all made up like his evidence.
*number. Any number of deaths.What fantasy do all there gun cops play in their heads? His daily life since retiring seems to be the one on rambo and mark walberg films,carrying a huge log back to the cabin lol.
A life probably all made up like his evidence.
Also, what on earth are you on about?
The officers who were directed to engage C dM were working under the impression that he was a suicide bomb carrier capable of converting all in the vicinity into heat light and noise in a split second.
There were undoubted failings in the command and control of the operation and assumptions made by the surveillance officer which directly led to the death of an innocent man but I have always thought that the fireams officers showed complete bravery in risking their own lives to remove the danger of another suicide bombing.
There were undoubted failings in the command and control of the operation and assumptions made by the surveillance officer which directly led to the death of an innocent man but I have always thought that the fireams officers showed complete bravery in risking their own lives to remove the danger of another suicide bombing.
One thing that I took away from watching both of the episodes which shocked me to the core…
Cressida Dick was in Operational Command of the ill-fated operwtion. Another c**k up on her watch where somebody lost their life because of her incompetence. Everything Cressida has ever touched has gone pear-shaped and yet after each and every command and leadership failing, she has been promoted - even to the position of Commissioner.
It’s quite staggering when you think about it. She must be Teflon-Coated.
That aside, I agree with the decision not to prosecute individual officers for simply doing their jobs. This was a MET leadership failing and not attributable to the Constables who let’s face it, put themselves in a situation many of us would run away from.
Cressida Dick was in Operational Command of the ill-fated operwtion. Another c**k up on her watch where somebody lost their life because of her incompetence. Everything Cressida has ever touched has gone pear-shaped and yet after each and every command and leadership failing, she has been promoted - even to the position of Commissioner.
It’s quite staggering when you think about it. She must be Teflon-Coated.
That aside, I agree with the decision not to prosecute individual officers for simply doing their jobs. This was a MET leadership failing and not attributable to the Constables who let’s face it, put themselves in a situation many of us would run away from.
stukno said:
The officers who were directed to engage C dM were working under the impression that he was a suicide bomb carrier capable of converting all in the vicinity into heat light and noise in a split second.
There were undoubted failings in the command and control of the operation and assumptions made by the surveillance officer which directly led to the death of an innocent man but I have always thought that the fireams officers showed complete bravery in risking their own lives to remove the danger of another suicide bombing.
I agree. It was a lack of clarity between "He is definitely the suspect" and "He is definitely the guy positively identified as being involved in the previous failed bombings". There were undoubted failings in the command and control of the operation and assumptions made by the surveillance officer which directly led to the death of an innocent man but I have always thought that the fireams officers showed complete bravery in risking their own lives to remove the danger of another suicide bombing.
cuprabob said:
Armitage.Shanks said:
Alickadoo said:
Why has the policeman allowed his name and photo to be published?
He's retired from the force, so it's up to him.Why would you want to allow your name and likeness to be published?
I wouldn't.
Alickadoo said:
cuprabob said:
Armitage.Shanks said:
Alickadoo said:
Why has the policeman allowed his name and photo to be published?
He's retired from the force, so it's up to him.Why would you want to allow your name and likeness to be published?
I wouldn't.
ADJimbo said:
One thing that I took away from watching both of the episodes which shocked me to the core…
Cressida Dick was in Operational Command of the ill-fated operwtion. Another c**k up on her watch where somebody lost their life because of her incompetence. Everything Cressida has ever touched has gone pear-shaped and yet after each and every command and leadership failing, she has been promoted - even to the position of Commissioner.
It’s quite staggering when you think about it. She must be Teflon-Coated.
That aside, I agree with the decision not to prosecute individual officers for simply doing their jobs. This was a MET leadership failing and not attributable to the Constables who let’s face it, put themselves in a situation many of us would run away from.
Jimbo, after watching this.Cressida Dick was in Operational Command of the ill-fated operwtion. Another c**k up on her watch where somebody lost their life because of her incompetence. Everything Cressida has ever touched has gone pear-shaped and yet after each and every command and leadership failing, she has been promoted - even to the position of Commissioner.
It’s quite staggering when you think about it. She must be Teflon-Coated.
That aside, I agree with the decision not to prosecute individual officers for simply doing their jobs. This was a MET leadership failing and not attributable to the Constables who let’s face it, put themselves in a situation many of us would run away from.
These were my thoughts entirely relating to Cressida Dick. I don’t think anyone employed in law enforcement (higher echelons) has ever possessed such amazing qualities of the reverse Midas touch. Yet nothing stuck and she kept on climbing totally unhindered.
It beggars belief.
My other takeaway was the FO officer explaining that in the build up to the operation they had been all instructed to change there ammunition in their weapons to 28 grain dum dum rounds (from regular).
So the level of detail in planning was clearly present in the preparation, yet soon seem to loose a lot of focus and direction afterwards. I don’t think anyone should have been charged though.
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