Joker: Folie à Deux
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So the sequel to The Joker comes out (UK) today. I'd been really looking forwards to this - but the reviews are pretty shocking -
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/joker_folie_a_deu...
The trailer looks 'interesting' -
https://youtu.be/_OKAwz2MsJs?si=EYad1brPvu5xK97v
I'm off to see it this evening but mainly for an evening out than to see a repeat of what was delivered last time.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/joker_folie_a_deu...
The trailer looks 'interesting' -
https://youtu.be/_OKAwz2MsJs?si=EYad1brPvu5xK97v
I'm off to see it this evening but mainly for an evening out than to see a repeat of what was delivered last time.
From what I've seen, its the ending that is pissing people off. I know what it is and my thoughts are that its entirely in keeping with what the 1st one was all about.
I've not seen Joker and have no plans to. I couldn't get past the idea that its really just the king of comedy with a bit of taxi driver thrown in. This second one sounds like 'contractual obligation' sequel-itis.
I've not seen Joker and have no plans to. I couldn't get past the idea that its really just the king of comedy with a bit of taxi driver thrown in. This second one sounds like 'contractual obligation' sequel-itis.
MiniMan64 said:
It’s getting absolutely destroyed online which caught me by surprise given how well received the first one was
The first one isn't even that good. Its not terrible, but the character arc isnt that engaging. You don't root for him really, even in the antihero way.I always thought the critics bigged this up and that's what made people watch it. Not that it was a good film. In fact I'm struggling to think of any performance Phoenix has done that makes me think "yep hes great"
BunkMoreland said:
The first one isn't even that good. Its not terrible, but the character arc isnt that engaging. You don't root for him really, even in the antihero way.
I always thought the critics bigged this up and that's what made people watch it. Not that it was a good film. In fact I'm struggling to think of any performance Phoenix has done that makes me think "yep hes great"
Cash in Walk the Line, the Roman fella in Gladiator. However, I agree with your assessment of Joker. The sort of film those who go on to shoot up schools venerate.I always thought the critics bigged this up and that's what made people watch it. Not that it was a good film. In fact I'm struggling to think of any performance Phoenix has done that makes me think "yep hes great"
BunkMoreland said:
The first one isn't even that good. Its not terrible, but the character arc isnt that engaging. You don't root for him really, even in the antihero way.
I always thought the critics bigged this up and that's what made people watch it. Not that it was a good film.
Disagree. I've seen it three times now I think, and so many films these days I struggle to care about even once.I always thought the critics bigged this up and that's what made people watch it. Not that it was a good film.
Possibly it annoys people who were expecting a standard comic book movie. It's absolutely not a Batman film and is only tangentially connected to that world. It's a movie about how society is breaking down, and how a struggling man with mental health issues falls through the cracks in the system. It's an illustration of why we see people going on stabbing rampages.
zb said:
The sort of film those who go on to shoot up schools venerate.
Well, possibly, in the same way that those who go on to do illegal street racing or car theft or joyriding might venerate Fast & Furious movies.If we take away all films that are liked by someone who goes on to do bad things, what are we left with?
It's an "all dogs are animals" thing. It might be that most school shooters like the movie ... but it's clearly not the case that everyone who likes the movie goes on to do school shootings .
Prak said:
Well, possibly, in the same way that those who go on to do illegal street racing or car theft or joyriding might venerate Fast & Furious movies.
If we take away all films that are liked by someone who goes on to do bad things, what are we left with?
It's an "all dogs are animals" thing. It might be that most school shooters like the movie ... but it's clearly not the case that everyone who likes the movie goes on to do school shootings .
That's an intellectual fallacy and a false equivalency, and you know it. Shame on you.If we take away all films that are liked by someone who goes on to do bad things, what are we left with?
It's an "all dogs are animals" thing. It might be that most school shooters like the movie ... but it's clearly not the case that everyone who likes the movie goes on to do school shootings .
Ok - errr - what to say. It wasn't terrible - but I feel like you have to see it as a film that isn't a sequel to Joker and isn't part of DC Comics. It's a bit something and nothing. At the same time I can't comment on the end as we decided to leave - 2hrs 18m would be pushing it even for an exceptional film and this certainly wasn't that.
zb said:
BunkMoreland said:
The first one isn't even that good. Its not terrible, but the character arc isnt that engaging. You don't root for him really, even in the antihero way.
I always thought the critics bigged this up and that's what made people watch it. Not that it was a good film. In fact I'm struggling to think of any performance Phoenix has done that makes me think "yep hes great"
Cash in Walk the Line, the Roman fella in Gladiator. However, I agree with your assessment of Joker. The sort of film those who go on to shoot up schools venerate.I always thought the critics bigged this up and that's what made people watch it. Not that it was a good film. In fact I'm struggling to think of any performance Phoenix has done that makes me think "yep hes great"
Petrus1983 said:
It wasn't terrible - but we decided to leave
I can count on one hand the films I've walked out on and they were, without exception, terrible. I'll certainly not be paying for a cinema seat to see this and am unlikely to watch it when it comes on free to air given what I've read.
tangerine_sedge said:
zb said:
BunkMoreland said:
The first one isn't even that good. Its not terrible, but the character arc isnt that engaging. You don't root for him really, even in the antihero way.
I always thought the critics bigged this up and that's what made people watch it. Not that it was a good film. In fact I'm struggling to think of any performance Phoenix has done that makes me think "yep hes great"
Cash in Walk the Line, the Roman fella in Gladiator. However, I agree with your assessment of Joker. The sort of film those who go on to shoot up schools venerate.I always thought the critics bigged this up and that's what made people watch it. Not that it was a good film. In fact I'm struggling to think of any performance Phoenix has done that makes me think "yep hes great"
MiniMan64 said:
It’s getting absolutely destroyed online which caught me by surprise given how well received the first one was
From what I understand, bearing in mind I haven't seen either but hope to watch the first some day, it is precisely due to how well the first one did that means the backlash now. As in there were many men who identified with him in the first one and think this movie is a hit job.
I saw it last night, big fan of the first one.
It really is a musical. I feel it takes a while to get going. It's a completely different feel to the first one and I can see why it has got low scores and generally poor reviews.
It was okay, but quite forgettable, which is not something I would say about the first film. I don't think I will watch it again in the future.
It really is a musical. I feel it takes a while to get going. It's a completely different feel to the first one and I can see why it has got low scores and generally poor reviews.
It was okay, but quite forgettable, which is not something I would say about the first film. I don't think I will watch it again in the future.
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