Ukraine, Enemy in the Woods, BBC

[asfault]

Anyone else watching.
Tough watch to know that the rest of the world is kinda just going along and these guys and girls live day to day. mis information still the most powerful tool with what each sides ground troops have been told.

[Deerfoot]

I watched it on iPlayer earlier, as you say a tough watch.

I have a son who is almost 18, some of those lads on there were only 19...

Sobering.

[SS427 Camaro]

Enemy In The Woods …….
Hard watch, particularly for someone who isn’t ex Forces.

Edited by SS427 Camaro on Monday 25th March 21:58

Edited by SS427 Camaro on Monday 25th March 22:24

[Charlie1986]

Tough watch in deed..

[juice]

st...

That was hard to watch but what amazingly stoic people they are. I just sat there thinking what a waste of human life, but then realised that the Russians are governed by a psychopath

[Mr-B]

Sobering stats at the end, 99 started, 66 wounded, 10 dead. Really hope the Ukranians can hold out for as ling as possible and that somewhere in Russia someone sees sense and fks Putin off along with his arse licking cronies.

[limmy01]

I was quite surprised how much they showed on camera, especially him putting a load of rounds into that russian.. was a sobering watch and watching it made it feel more real and not a too far reality that it could happen anywhere

[asfault]

Mr-B said:

Sobering stats at the end, 99 started, 66 wounded, 10 dead. Really hope the Ukranians can hold out for as ling as possible and that somewhere in Russia someone sees sense and fks Putin off along with his arse licking cronies.

In the history of Russians wars a shortage of people to fight is not something they have an issue with.
And thier soldiers i imagine are scared of saying no to Putin.

[heebeegeetee]

Painful to watch but it has to be done at times.

I'm going to express a further opinion which has the capability of getting me into trouble though. Following this prog we switched over to the news, and it's all about Israel/Gaza and no mention of war in Ukraine that I saw

I'm pissed off hearing about Israel/Gaza. I consider this conflict to be just another example of religions tearing each other apart, like they've done since the dawn of time and will continue to do so for centuries.

I feel the Ukraine war is just so much more of an existential threat to our way of life, a war on the edge of Europe, a straight forward case of a European country being invaded by it's enormous and savage neighbour. After Ukraine it could be Baltic states or god forbid, Poland, and then what?

At the very least Ukraine needs to be supported to grind Russia down, and I do think this is the war we should be focusing our attention on.

Let the US deal with Israel's genocide of Gaza. I do strongly think there should be an immediate cease fire AND release of hostages though.

I don't know about the Israel/Gaza conflict but I do firmly believe that our lack of focus and western inaction over Crimea precipitated the invasion of Ukraine.

[redrabbit29]

heebeegeetee said:

I'm going to express a further opinion which has the capability of getting me into trouble though.

I completely agree with everything you said. I don't mind updates on Israel conflict but you're right about all of the Ukraine issues.

[Fordy Bob]

What an effort by the two guys who succumbed in the OP,their position was littered with dead Russian’s.Completely encapsulates the Russian ethos in that they will throw a dozen men to their death in order to take out two enemy.

[SS427 Camaro]

Fordy Bob said:

What an effort by the two guys who succumbed in the OP,their position was littered with dead Russian’s.Completely encapsulates the Russian ethos in that they will throw a dozen men to their death in order to take out two enemy.

It’s got me thinking how the 2 Ukraine guys in that dug out were killed, guessing a grenade was thrown down there.

[SS427 Camaro]

limmy01 said:

I was quite surprised how much they showed on camera, especially him putting a load of rounds into that russian.. was a sobering watch and watching it made it feel more real and not a too far reality that it could happen anywhere

I am surprised that they showed that as well. I think it said that “ their was a Russian laying motionless for some time “ guessing that he was already dead…..

[SS427 Camaro]

heebeegeetee said:

Painful to watch but it has to be done at times.

I'm going to express a further opinion which has the capability of getting me into trouble though. Following this prog we switched over to the news, and it's all about Israel/Gaza and no mention of war in Ukraine that I saw

I'm pissed off hearing about Israel/Gaza. I consider this conflict to be just another example of religions tearing each other apart, like they've done since the dawn of time and will continue to do so for centuries.

I feel the Ukraine war is just so much more of an existential threat to our way of life, a war on the edge of Europe, a straight forward case of a European country being invaded by it's enormous and savage neighbour. After Ukraine it could be Baltic states or god forbid, Poland, and then what?

At the very least Ukraine needs to be supported to grind Russia down, and I do think this is the war we should be focusing our attention on.

Let the US deal with Israel's genocide of Gaza. I do strongly think there should be an immediate cease fire AND release of hostages though.

I don't know about the Israel/Gaza conflict but I do firmly believe that our lack of focus and western inaction over Crimea precipitated the invasion of Ukraine.

How is Russia “ going to be ground down ? “. Huge manufacturing capability & speed ( like they did in WW2 ) with round the clock production, plus no shortage of man power. Granted that many Russians don’t want to fight, but have no choice due to what will happen to them if they don’t…..
The Russians have also learnt from their early mistakes when they first invaded.
As in WW2, the life of a Russian soldier is cheap & of little consequence.

[coppice]

heebeegeetee said:

Painful to watch but it has to be done at times.

I'm going to express a further opinion which has the capability of getting me into trouble though. Following this prog we switched over to the news, and it's all about Israel/Gaza and no mention of war in Ukraine that I saw

I'm pissed off hearing about Israel/Gaza. I consider this conflict to be just another example of religions tearing each other apart, like they've done since the dawn of time and will continue to do so for centuries.

I feel the Ukraine war is just so much more of an existential threat to our way of life, a war on the edge of Europe, a straight forward case of a European country being invaded by it's enormous and savage neighbour. After Ukraine it could be Baltic states or god forbid, Poland, and then what?

At the very least Ukraine needs to be supported to grind Russia down, and I do think this is the war we should be focusing our attention on.

Let the US deal with Israel's genocide of Gaza. I do strongly think there should be an immediate cease fire AND release of hostages though.

I don't know about the Israel/Gaza conflict but I do firmly believe that our lack of focus and western inaction over Crimea precipitated the invasion of Ukraine.

It's not a competition. Both conflicts deserve detailed coverage until they are over. Apart from the ghastly loss of life both conflicts have immense geo-political implications outside their immediate zone. Ukraine has wrongly fallen off the news agenda - and it shouldn't have .

[heebeegeetee]

coppice said:

It's not a competition. Both conflicts deserve detailed coverage until they are over. Apart from the ghastly loss of life both conflicts have immense geo-political implications outside their immediate zone. Ukraine has wrongly fallen off the news agenda - and it shouldn't have .

I disagree. Religious conflicts will never be over, and the certainly the Israel Gaza conflict didn't begin on October 8th. I don't think the geo political implications are remotely similar to the potential of the Ukraine conflict.

[bloomen]

SS427 Camaro said:

How is Russia “ going to be ground down ? “. Huge manufacturing capability & speed ( like they did in WW2 ) with round the clock production, plus no shortage of man power.

You probably wind up in jail for mentioning it there today, but the Soviet Union would have been toast without the Lend-lease program. Something like 11,000 planes and hundreds of thousands of vehicles, plus 1/3 of all the explosives they used.

There won't be a sugar daddy this time.

[NickZ24]

SS427 Camaro said:

How is Russia “ going to be ground down ? “. Huge manufacturing capability & speed ( like they did in WW2 ) with round the clock production, plus no shortage of man power.

I think the Russian forces received parts from the US of their firepower:


400,000 jeeps & trucks
14,000 airplanes
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks
1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petrol products
4.5 million tons of food



https://ru.usembassy.gov/world-war-ii-allies-u-s-l...

[coppice]

heebeegeetee said:

I disagree. Religious conflicts will never be over, and the certainly the Israel Gaza conflict didn't begin on October 8th. I don't think the geo political implications are remotely similar to the potential of the Ukraine conflict.

It didn't - the attack was October 7th...

[GeneralBanter]

What happened to the PH Ukraine thread?