Star Wars: The Acolyte
Discussion
Radec said:
Looks like Qimir might be the council leaders student judging by the laser whip marks on his back when he was a jedi, must be using the dark side to stay looking young.
I'll still watch it until the end to see how it plays out.
yup so will I. I'll still watch it until the end to see how it plays out.
So far the IMDb 3.5 of 10 judgement is quiete accurate. Contrary to the rotten tomatoes 83%
Lots of dull, badly acted and written characters. Another badly cast main character. Another pathetic white male character. The only interesting character is Qimir.
For well written and acted TV with diverse characters, I'm watching Sense8, which is very good.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2431438/
For well written and acted TV with diverse characters, I'm watching Sense8, which is very good.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2431438/
Again, pathetic white male 
Sol killed mum because?
Were all the witches even dead and the Jedi just f
k off and leave them
They knew the twins were created but told no one
There's a lot to tie up in 1 episode. I'm guessing it was going to be a cliffhanger for S2, which I don't see happening now.
Sol killed mum because?
Were all the witches even dead and the Jedi just f
k off and leave them They knew the twins were created but told no one
There's a lot to tie up in 1 episode. I'm guessing it was going to be a cliffhanger for S2, which I don't see happening now.
I’d forgotten there was a new episode dropping today. That’s how much I don’t care - bearing in mind I did actually look forward to all the episodes of all the other series, even the pooerly received ones.
I genuinely don’t care what happens to the characters in this one.
Which is a shame.
Ah well. Time bandits soon. Also the umbrella academy.
I genuinely don’t care what happens to the characters in this one.
Which is a shame.
Ah well. Time bandits soon. Also the umbrella academy.
Why do Jedi wear the stupid robes all the time. Regardless of what they are actually doing?
Why does Sol always sound as if he has just run up a flight of stairs?
How are Jedi simultaneously useless and all powerful?
The big secret turns out to be exactly what was shown in the earlier flashback episode with a couple of very small wrinkles.
This series is thin gruel indeed. The story is wafer thin like not enough butter on too much bread.
This must be the nadir for the franchise.
Why does Sol always sound as if he has just run up a flight of stairs?
How are Jedi simultaneously useless and all powerful?
The big secret turns out to be exactly what was shown in the earlier flashback episode with a couple of very small wrinkles.
This series is thin gruel indeed. The story is wafer thin like not enough butter on too much bread.
This must be the nadir for the franchise.
troc said:
Yep, could be good, could be terrible. I’m hoping for good. The trailer is on YouTube.
Didn't hit the mark for me, to be honest. To be fair I was never a huge fan of the original so not massively concerned with doing it justice or not. It just didn't seem massively well acted or scripted in the trailer. The lead 'bandits' also were taller than I remember too, for some reason. Hopefully it's decent in a stand alone way though.robemcdonald said:
This series is thin gruel indeed. The story is wafer thin like not enough butter on too much bread.
This must be the nadir for the franchise.
Don't you know it is brilliant because representation, and you are an 'ist and a 'phobe if you do not agree.This must be the nadir for the franchise.
The DEI tropes are actually the least that is wrong with this drivel. There really is now too much wrong with it to list, but the major one for me is that there are no real characters and they are all just vehicles for a plot. The way their motivations just flip-flop constantly is the worst form of breaking of the suspension of disbelief.
The dumb supporters of this say 'well, it is sci-fi so no criticism of its realism is valid', but audiences have to feel some investment in characters to want to continue watching something. It isn't enough that the characters are just avatars of modern issues (yet the producers and promoters of this thing are telling us that it absolutely should be enough) - they have to behave like rational people too.
It was said way before this aired that the intention of The Acolyte was to book-end Kathleen Kennedy's endeavour to discredit and devalue the work of George Lucas's storylines and lore. If that was the overriding intention then it succeeded.
Rey movie next, and plot leaks suggest it will redefine the Jedi as they were before the events of The Acolyte. $10billion+ dollars spent on retribution, funded not on the back of producing good entertainment but by duping lobbying groups into supporting her wrecking ball mission on the back of it being DEI heavy.
Edited by Evercross on Thursday 11th July 12:03
robemcdonald said:
Why do Jedi wear the stupid robes all the time. Regardless of what they are actually doing?
Why does Sol always sound as if he has just run up a flight of stairs?
How are Jedi simultaneously useless and all powerful?
The big secret turns out to be exactly what was shown in the earlier flashback episode with a couple of very small wrinkles.
This series is thin gruel indeed. The story is wafer thin like not enough butter on too much bread.
This must be the nadir for the franchise.
It's not great, although it's not worse than Boba Fett. Why does Sol always sound as if he has just run up a flight of stairs?
How are Jedi simultaneously useless and all powerful?
The big secret turns out to be exactly what was shown in the earlier flashback episode with a couple of very small wrinkles.
This series is thin gruel indeed. The story is wafer thin like not enough butter on too much bread.
This must be the nadir for the franchise.
There is an underlying problem with making adult-targeted Star Wars stuff (aside from the whining about "woke") which is that magic always ruins entertainment not aimed at kids. All the good recent Star Wars stuff, Rogue One, Andor, Mandalorian, Solo (I know, but I liked it) had very little or no magic in, so you can tell a story where everyone understands the rules of the universe even if they aren't real-world realistic.
We know that space dogfighting is nonsense physics, but we understand the rules of dogfighting, so they're just transposed. We know that laser swords are nonsense, but they have an obvious set of rules and they never impact that much on the plot. We have no real idea what the rules are for the Force.
Unless you have a very clear set of rules for your magic, or keep it well away from the plot, it ruins the story and makes characters' motivations and actions make no sense. Why would a space wizard make decisions that make sense to you, when you don't even know all of the things that they can do with magic? From the start of Star Wars, so forget about whining about "canon" like there was a golden age where this made sense, the rules of magic were made up and changed as they went along to look cool or suit the plot. This is fine for kids, or when you've just got goodies vs baddies to worry about. My theory is that it's always s
t when you try to make programmes for grown-ups with more sophisticated themes and ideas but with magic in. I strongly suspect that there will never be a good adult-targeted Star Wars thing about the Jedi for this exact reason. bstb3 said:
troc said:
Yep, could be good, could be terrible. I’m hoping for good. The trailer is on YouTube.
Didn't hit the mark for me, to be honest. To be fair I was never a huge fan of the original so not massively concerned with doing it justice or not. It just didn't seem massively well acted or scripted in the trailer. The lead 'bandits' also were taller than I remember too, for some reason. Hopefully it's decent in a stand alone way though.The trailer at least looked interesting and I loved the movie so I'll give it a go.
Lucas Ayde said:
After Peter Dinklage complaining about it a while back, I don't think they're actually allowed to write/cast 'little people' as 'little people' any more. Or at least, producers are scared of a social media backlash from the professionally offended brigade if they do.
The trailer at least looked interesting and I loved the movie so I'll give it a go.
I'm pretty sure a number of people came out in direct opposition to Dinklage and pointed out that they were quite happy with doing that work thanks (Warwick Davis among them). His comments were specifically aimed at the latest Snow White anyway so I don't think anyone aside from Disney paid attention. The trailer at least looked interesting and I loved the movie so I'll give it a go.
This episode was awful.
Looking for a vergence?
Scanners didn't pick up that massive castle built into a mountain with all sorts of people and electronics going on?
Didn't bother to tell the junior why he was there or what they were looking for?
How did Trinity suddenly get there after making a point she couldn't land.
A normal Wookie can rip a humans arms off, are you telling me that a Jedi Master Wookie isn't strong enough to beat whimpy Padawan?
Essentially just a reshoot of Ep3, no revelation apart from the Jedi being even more stupid than first indicated.
Looking for a vergence?
Scanners didn't pick up that massive castle built into a mountain with all sorts of people and electronics going on?
Didn't bother to tell the junior why he was there or what they were looking for?
How did Trinity suddenly get there after making a point she couldn't land.
A normal Wookie can rip a humans arms off, are you telling me that a Jedi Master Wookie isn't strong enough to beat whimpy Padawan?
Essentially just a reshoot of Ep3, no revelation apart from the Jedi being even more stupid than first indicated.
Bullett said:
This episode was awful.
A normal Wookie can rip a humans arms off, are you telling me that a Jedi Master Wookie isn't strong enough to beat whimpy Padawan?
We are spoiled from episodes in movies where Jedi could jump a 1000 feet with ease. A normal Wookie can rip a humans arms off, are you telling me that a Jedi Master Wookie isn't strong enough to beat whimpy Padawan?
Rip with force like Maul en Hyper-drive engine apart.
Now to fetch a light sable is an effort.
NickZ24 said:
Bullett said:
This episode was awful.
A normal Wookie can rip a humans arms off, are you telling me that a Jedi Master Wookie isn't strong enough to beat whimpy Padawan?
We are spoiled from episodes in movies where Jedi could jump a 1000 feet with ease. A normal Wookie can rip a humans arms off, are you telling me that a Jedi Master Wookie isn't strong enough to beat whimpy Padawan?
Rip with force like Maul en Hyper-drive engine apart.
Now to fetch a light sable is an effort.
It is strange how of all companies Disney don't seem to be able to find good child actors, or maybe can't get the best out of them, since I don't want to beat up on the kids themselves too much. I appreciate for the Acolyte once you've cast the lead that inevitably limits the pool, but the one playing Leia in Obi Wan was similarly poor. It's quite rare these days for kids on TV or films to actually come across so much like child actors, so it's particularly jarring when they do, and weird from the definitive family entertainment behemoth. Compare it to the kids in something like Modern Family and it's worlds apart.
E63eeeeee... said:
It's not great, although it's not worse than Boba Fett.
There is an underlying problem with making adult-targeted Star Wars stuff (aside from the whining about "woke") which is that magic always ruins entertainment not aimed at kids. All the good recent Star Wars stuff, Rogue One, Andor, Mandalorian, Solo (I know, but I liked it) had very little or no magic in, so you can tell a story where everyone understands the rules of the universe even if they aren't real-world realistic.
We know that space dogfighting is nonsense physics, but we understand the rules of dogfighting, so they're just transposed. We know that laser swords are nonsense, but they have an obvious set of rules and they never impact that much on the plot. We have no real idea what the rules are for the Force.
Unless you have a very clear set of rules for your magic, or keep it well away from the plot, it ruins the story and makes characters' motivations and actions make no sense. Why would a space wizard make decisions that make sense to you, when you don't even know all of the things that they can do with magic? From the start of Star Wars, so forget about whining about "canon" like there was a golden age where this made sense, the rules of magic were made up and changed as they went along to look cool or suit the plot. This is fine for kids, or when you've just got goodies vs baddies to worry about. My theory is that it's always st when you try to make programmes for grown-ups with more sophisticated themes and ideas but with magic in. I strongly suspect that there will never be a good adult-targeted Star Wars thing about the Jedi for this exact reason.
Nice speech, but it only covers one issue, and not the major one by any manner of means.There is an underlying problem with making adult-targeted Star Wars stuff (aside from the whining about "woke") which is that magic always ruins entertainment not aimed at kids. All the good recent Star Wars stuff, Rogue One, Andor, Mandalorian, Solo (I know, but I liked it) had very little or no magic in, so you can tell a story where everyone understands the rules of the universe even if they aren't real-world realistic.
We know that space dogfighting is nonsense physics, but we understand the rules of dogfighting, so they're just transposed. We know that laser swords are nonsense, but they have an obvious set of rules and they never impact that much on the plot. We have no real idea what the rules are for the Force.
Unless you have a very clear set of rules for your magic, or keep it well away from the plot, it ruins the story and makes characters' motivations and actions make no sense. Why would a space wizard make decisions that make sense to you, when you don't even know all of the things that they can do with magic? From the start of Star Wars, so forget about whining about "canon" like there was a golden age where this made sense, the rules of magic were made up and changed as they went along to look cool or suit the plot. This is fine for kids, or when you've just got goodies vs baddies to worry about. My theory is that it's always s
t when you try to make programmes for grown-ups with more sophisticated themes and ideas but with magic in. I strongly suspect that there will never be a good adult-targeted Star Wars thing about the Jedi for this exact reason. The problem with The Acolyte is character motivation, and this is for all of the characters all of the time. The is no coherency in the behaviour of any of them and they will flip from one course of action to another, proceed to do something they said they couldn't do or vice versa fail to do something they said they would, be persuaded to do something the opposite of what they intended or act in a way that might have made sense until a later action of theirs made the audience think their motivation had changed (what exactly was the point of the character swap for the bad twin to then go after the squid game guy with a knife when if her intention was to kill him she'd had several easy opportunities to do so before now, for example).
The story and character behaviours are just appallingly badly scripted and directed, and that has nothing to do with the 'magic'.
Back to your point - you sound just like another one of the apologists for this expensive vanity project.
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