Grand Designs - 18th Feb

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Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

201 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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V8mate said:
...and the heat recovery helps with the BREEAM assessment.
In 1972 I borrowed a maggot and caught a 2lb 10oz bream, to win 2nd prize in an angling competition. I think the prize was a £4 voucher for the local tackle shop. Thought you should know...

sleep envy

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62,260 posts

252 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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V8mate said:
BREEAM assessment.
which grade are you looking to hit?

also, have the new regs been issued?

V8mate

45,899 posts

192 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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sleep envy said:
V8mate said:
BREEAM assessment.
which grade are you looking to hit?

also, have the new regs been issued?
We were just in time to avoid the newest regs and reached 'Very Good'.

scotal

8,751 posts

282 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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They weren't nearly worthy, earnest or alternative enough to build a proper eco house. And he was way too grounded to be an architect.
Have to say I liked the idea of the design a lot more than the finished product.
And as pointed out it doesnt have a garage.

JulesV

1,800 posts

227 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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J111 said:
JulesV said:
Anyone know where this place is?
Here
Ah thanks, I used to drink in a nice little pub just up the road from there when I was at school.

AndrewTait

1,835 posts

197 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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Do we reckon Kevin's skiing injury hadn't completely healed by the time he did the summing up - Anyone else notice he spent all the time with his left hand in his pocket rather than using both hands to emphasise things?

ajprice

28,087 posts

199 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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Don't know about his hand. I was too busy admiring the sky high sculpture that was his haircut! smile

Nice house, something different and people you could relate to. But what is it about houses and babies on this series? 3 out of 4 up the duff!

Edited by ajprice on Wednesday 18th February 23:41

Fittster

20,120 posts

216 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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PaulHogan said:
Bungleaio said:
Did I hear that right, a build cost of £445 000?
Aye. Plus £353k for the plot
That's a lot of money.

BigBen

11,699 posts

233 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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sleep envy said:
Swilly said:
£10k damages i reckon
with the contractor and structural engineer pointing the finger at each other whilst HSE read the method statements
Don't think they had a structural engineer on the case until after that collapse, at least I think that is what I heard from my mate who works for the SEs on that job but was only half listening.

Really liked the building in the end but would have liked it to have a garage

Ben

trooperiziz

9,457 posts

255 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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V8mate said:
sleep envy said:
jazzybee said:
I've stayed in houses in Europe that seem so much warmer and quieter than here in the UK, with triple glazing and good insulation and I wonder why we cannot do the same. There must be a business opportunity to manufacture triple glazed units like those in the show in the UK if they had to import from Austria.
creating a passive building is techincally very difficult, time consuming and very expensive

I've done a few cost studies and for resi applications it adds the best part of 40% to the superstructure costs
I'm using a whole house ventilation and heat recovery system in a block of flats I'm building. Poor local air quality and noise (right next to railway line) make opening windows a non-starter and the heat recovery helps with the BREEAM assessment.
My new flat has a heat recovery system, which seems to work quite well as I only have tiny 1ft wide radiators in the rooms and it stays toasty with them only on half power.

I would say it was cheap to run too... but I think that is mainly due to the fact that i've been in six months haven't had an electricity bill yet! wink




JDH1

1,015 posts

242 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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ajprice said:
Don't know about his hand. I was too busy admiring the sky high sculpture that was his haircut! smile

Nice house, something different and people you could relate to. But what is it about houses and babies on this series? 3 out of 4 up the duff!

Edited by ajprice on Wednesday 18th February 23:41
If you had spent sufficient quality time with builders, you'd know the answer to that.

Tony427

2,873 posts

236 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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Whats the betting that staircase had steel reinforcement hidden within it given that it was only half an arch, and we saw what happened when load was placed on just one side of the original arch.....

The actual look of the place reminded me of a few small caravans and a garden shed scattered under a disused railway arch...and all for only £700k plus.

Cheers,

Tony

Jasandjules

70,095 posts

232 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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I suppose that realistically if they were building a normal looking house, it wouldn't really be a "Grand Design".....

Still, I think had it all been placed under the arch rather than having bits which looked like they had been added on as an afterthough, that would have looked a lot better. Two smaller arches one on each side of the house I think would have made it look better too (and one could have been the garage too)....

qube_TA

8,402 posts

248 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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Clever building but a bit sterile, maybe if they'd put a wooden floor down instead of that plastic it would have been nicer but I can't see how you could've lived there.


cardigankid

8,849 posts

215 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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At last - a good one, and instead of the interminable expanse of whiteness a nice terracotta ceiling, and that interesting floor made out of resin and bits of grot. Wear your slippers, I suggest. The arch was different, the stair was just superb, and the whole ensemble looked interesting, inside and out. It was unclear how it would fit on the site but it had to be better than the shack they demolished. They were honest about the cost, and good on him for reducing his utility bills to zero and actually getting money back.

I know we had the statutory investment banker and cute child. The architect bloke was a bit of a grinning idiot with his continual high fives and Dr Strangelove hair. As for her, if she is capable of managing investments then I'm capable of trepanning your granny in the kitchen. Which only confirms that the people managing investments are pretty ordinary and untalented, which we already knew. However, it must be said they were a less than usually repellent couple.

On the negative side, I don't buy into the airtightness agenda, which is promoted by the man made global warming lobby and overcomplicated Building Regulations. Experience tells me that if the building fabric can't breathe nasty stuff starts to happen, anaerobic bacteria, rot etc. There is a difference between heat, moisture vapour and air, and the trick is to deal with each appropriately. Airtightness is also one of these things like absolute zero which is rarely if ever achieved in practice and creates all sorts of issues when you try, like your doors won't shut or when they do your ears pop. In addition, it drives you down the route of full mechanical ventilation, which some have a vested interest in. You have the cost of running it, which is not zero, then you have a forest of ducts and pipes, most of which will be unaccessible, and so cannot be properly cleaned. A few years of dust, warm air, human moisture, flu and little Oscar's snot and you will have a right old breeding ground for MRSA and God knows what else, fruit flies probably. I'm not sure that isn't what causes the problems in our hospitals. In addition, if it breaks down, you suffocate, while no doubt banging feebly on the triple glazed argon filled window units and screaming in vain for help, while your wife tugs in terror at the bedroom door which won't open because the kiddy has shoved a football down the supply duct and you have created a vacuum. Nasty way to go.

The arch looked great, but was it any more than an architectural gimmick? It may have been heroic, but heroes sometimes come to a sticky end, and a bit of snow and some inconveniently assymetrical high winds and I have my doubts about whether that lot is going to stay up. Grinning Stanley the Roofer also pointed out that because the weather had deteriorated it wasn't easy to get the roof sealed. That is no trivial comment. When the water starts to get in among that structure that may weaken it too. I only ask, if that was your little unsuspecting kid, would you let him sleep there?

PS Thanks V8.


Edited by cardigankid on Thursday 19th February 08:49

satans worm

2,400 posts

220 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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How was that place so effecient if the roof had no insulation?

Bet building control had kittens signing that off too!

Not sure i'd ever feel completly safe under the roof, especially with a gale blowing on one side with heavy rain! And what was stopping it lifting off the building??

V8mate

45,899 posts

192 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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satans worm said:
How was that place so effecient if the roof had no insulation?
It did. It had all the pebbles and soil and (eventually) grass on the part of the roof covering the building.

GregE240

10,857 posts

270 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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Plotloss said:
80 bags on an arch and 99p light switches?
Blimey Matt, looking at the time Susie said exactly the same thing to me.

Quite why they couldn't add metal switches for another ton is beyond me.

lord summerisle

8,142 posts

228 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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cardigankid said:
On the negative side, I don't buy into the airtightness agenda, which is promoted by the man made global warming lobby and overcomplicated Building Regulations. Experience tells me that if the building fabric can't breathe nasty stuff starts to happen, anaerobic bacteria, rot etc.
Like my old Building Tech. Lecture used to bang on about - Built Tight, Ventilate Right.
Used to eulogize about the Glasgow Tennaments, about how good their design was. and comparing the air changes between the tennament, and a barrett house - something like 1-3 air changes per hour in a tennament, while 0.1 changes in a barrett house.

And the much higher bateria/mould/dust levels in the barrett house, because of this lack of air change.

cardigankid

8,849 posts

215 months

Thursday 19th February 2009
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No, it had insulation, he said so. Of course there was a stonking cold bridge between the external and the internal parts of the arch, but these exercises are rarely as technically perfect as they are presented.

I imagine the gravel is to add weight and hopefully keep the whole contraption up, and make sure that any water drains away pronto, not insulation.

99p light switches, so what? Does expensive electrical control gear turn you on?