Alien: Romulus
Discussion
UTH said:
Those who are already putting this latest film in the bin (it may well prove to be rubbish, we'll see).....what would you like to see from a new Alien film if this one isn't floating your boat? Or do you want the franchise to be left alone now?
I will probably watch it thus proving the studio correct and proliferating the whole rehashing cycle. What I really want are new stories. When was the last new original blockbuster? Avatar maybe? So 15 years ago.
phil-sti said:
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C5_Steve said:
RustyMX5 said:
Random uninteresting fact. A long dead friend of mine created the original sound of the Alien.
That's far from uninteresting, that's fascinating! Did he do any other work for film/TV? Love a random fact...
His funeral, which I sadly missed, was apparently quite interesting. Friends and family turned up followed by a number of Hollywood producers and directors.
The sound of the Alien 'screech' came from a rather banal source
ChocolateFrog said:
Billy_Rosewood said:
Looks like Aliens for the Stranger Things generation.
Old school horror would have made a single face hugger fearsome.. There's no suspense build up or sense of fear when you see 10-20 burst through the door.
It has AVP requim vibes, sadly.
I beg to differ.Old school horror would have made a single face hugger fearsome.. There's no suspense build up or sense of fear when you see 10-20 burst through the door.
It has AVP requim vibes, sadly.
ChocolateFrog said:
I will probably watch it thus proving the studio correct and proliferating the whole rehashing cycle.
What I really want are new stories. When was the last new original blockbuster? Avatar maybe? So 15 years ago.
Avatar has been called Dances with Wolves in space. What I really want are new stories. When was the last new original blockbuster? Avatar maybe? So 15 years ago.
SlimJim16v said:
ChocolateFrog said:
I will probably watch it thus proving the studio correct and proliferating the whole rehashing cycle.
What I really want are new stories. When was the last new original blockbuster? Avatar maybe? So 15 years ago.
Avatar has been called Dances with Wolves in space. What I really want are new stories. When was the last new original blockbuster? Avatar maybe? So 15 years ago.
ChocolateFrog said:
Yep.
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The real kicker is that CGI hasn't improved in the last 15-20 years or so. It's got worse if anything and the very best you can hope for is that on a mega budget film its barely passable, Avatar springs to mind.
The models and set dressing on films like Alien were really a work of art.
If you think VFX hasn't improved in the last 20 years I'd suggest getting yourself down to specsavers chum. Or maybe watching something aside from Marvel Dog s
t.The real kicker is that CGI hasn't improved in the last 15-20 years or so. It's got worse if anything and the very best you can hope for is that on a mega budget film its barely passable, Avatar springs to mind.
The models and set dressing on films like Alien were really a work of art.
C5_Steve said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Yep.
Dog st.
The real kicker is that CGI hasn't improved in the last 15-20 years or so. It's got worse if anything and the very best you can hope for is that on a mega budget film its barely passable, Avatar springs to mind.
The models and set dressing on films like Alien were really a work of art.
If you think VFX hasn't improved in the last 20 years I'd suggest getting yourself down to specsavers chum. Or maybe watching something aside from Marvel Dog s
t.The real kicker is that CGI hasn't improved in the last 15-20 years or so. It's got worse if anything and the very best you can hope for is that on a mega budget film its barely passable, Avatar springs to mind.
The models and set dressing on films like Alien were really a work of art.
some of the earliest CGI films hold up better than some of the crap that's getting thrown out lately (I'm looking at you road house / AM quantum mania)
I think the problem is too many film makers feel the need to throw in CGI instead of practical effects. Whether that's because its cheaper to do green screen or just because they CBA to go down the practical effects route is anyone's guess. Too many studios just want to throw a movie out as quickly as they can in the hope of a quick buck.
President Merkin said:
Aliens was where the rot started for me. It doesn't hold a candle to the original, just another boilerplate Hollywood shoot em up, set in space. One dimensional characters galore. The beauty of the original lies in the suspense rather than the horror, a small ensemble cast whose motivations you learn & the deceipt of the company.
The later films suffer from over casting, a raft of characters it is at times hard to keep up with, leading to no emotional involvement with them, reinforced by the script having them make irrational decisions, further alienatiing (lol) the viewer. The idea of finding our makers was great and yet so badly squandered.
No idea what they'll do with this one but my guess is an expensive mission to some far off world is diverted on a whim & shortly after, nearly everyone dies.
Seriously?The later films suffer from over casting, a raft of characters it is at times hard to keep up with, leading to no emotional involvement with them, reinforced by the script having them make irrational decisions, further alienatiing (lol) the viewer. The idea of finding our makers was great and yet so badly squandered.
No idea what they'll do with this one but my guess is an expensive mission to some far off world is diverted on a whim & shortly after, nearly everyone dies.
Aliens and rot??
Aliens is probably regarded as one of the best Sci fi action sequels ever made. A shoot em up in space with no suspense? I don't think the first shot is fired until around 45 minutes into the film after most of the characters have been introduced (Ripley discovers her daughter has died while she was in hyper sleep - this is why her connection to Newt is so strong / the colonial marines introduction is just "absolutely badass" so to speak)
The tension of the marines creeping through the already attacked colony, finding acid burns on the structures, Newt hiding away, the impregnated survivors etc.
Then the aliens attack and all hell breaks loose.
I can understand people hate on Alien 3 (even though I thought it was OK) but I find it hard to believe Aliens being grouped into brainless Hollywood tripe.
Well thats my opinion anyway!
STe_rsv4 said:
C5_Steve said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Yep.
Dog st.
The real kicker is that CGI hasn't improved in the last 15-20 years or so. It's got worse if anything and the very best you can hope for is that on a mega budget film its barely passable, Avatar springs to mind.
The models and set dressing on films like Alien were really a work of art.
If you think VFX hasn't improved in the last 20 years I'd suggest getting yourself down to specsavers chum. Or maybe watching something aside from Marvel Dog s
t.The real kicker is that CGI hasn't improved in the last 15-20 years or so. It's got worse if anything and the very best you can hope for is that on a mega budget film its barely passable, Avatar springs to mind.
The models and set dressing on films like Alien were really a work of art.
some of the earliest CGI films hold up better than some of the crap that's getting thrown out lately (I'm looking at you road house / AM quantum mania)
I think the problem is too many film makers feel the need to throw in CGI instead of practical effects. Whether that's because its cheaper to do green screen or just because they CBA to go down the practical effects route is anyone's guess. Too many studios just want to throw a movie out as quickly as they can in the hope of a quick buck.
Films like Antman and (to a lesser extent) Roadhouse are examples of poor VFX. Nothing to do with the tech behind it and everything to do with the studios. They are asking for more and more VFX in films, paying less and less and delivering films to deadlines set before the film is even cast meaning corners are cut. It's not the VFX studio's fault and in all honesty blaming them is harsh.
Disney are a big problem in all this but not the only one. You have Marvel pumping out 4-5 films and TV shows a year where practically every scene features some sort of VFX. This work is going to go to whichever studio bids the lowest and commits to the time frames. Then on top of this you have the continued studio interference along the way, often meaning films are re-written on the fly or "additional scenes" filmed after principal photography. All this still has to be delivered to their time frame. If you want a perfect example of all this look no further than She-Hulk.
The actual effects quality that's capable is far, far better than it ever has been. You only have to look at films like the most recent Apes film, The Creator, Dune Part 1 and 2 and even Godzilla Minus 1 (done on no money at all). To say that VFX has not moved forward is just factually incorrect, what has happened is many studies have moved to a model where they are just releasing things to a deadline and delivering poor-quality content. Look at the first season of The Mandalorian for how well they used "The Void" tech compared to how they over-relied on it in Ahsoka for a direct comparison within one studio.
You're right in what you say about striking a balance between practical and virtual, but again when done well it's imperceptible. Fury Road often gets hailed for it's practical effects when in fact virtually every scene has some level of VFX.
STe_rsv4 said:
Seriously?
Aliens and rot??
Aliens is probably regarded as one of the best Sci fi action sequels ever made. A shoot em up in space with no suspense? I don't think the first shot is fired until around 45 minutes into the film after most of the characters have been introduced (Ripley discovers her daughter has died while she was in hyper sleep - this is why her connection to Newt is so strong / the colonial marines introduction is just "absolutely badass" so to speak)
The tension of the marines creeping through the already attacked colony, finding acid burns on the structures, Newt hiding away, the impregnated survivors etc.
Then the aliens attack and all hell breaks loose.
I can understand people hate on Alien 3 (even though I thought it was OK) but I find it hard to believe Aliens being grouped into brainless Hollywood tripe.
Well thats my opinion anyway!
You're not wrong, IMO of course. It has everything really, one of the few films from many years ago (and a long one at that) that I will still find the time to rewatch. All this chat about it is even tempting me to have a few drinks tonight and stick it on. Aliens and rot??
Aliens is probably regarded as one of the best Sci fi action sequels ever made. A shoot em up in space with no suspense? I don't think the first shot is fired until around 45 minutes into the film after most of the characters have been introduced (Ripley discovers her daughter has died while she was in hyper sleep - this is why her connection to Newt is so strong / the colonial marines introduction is just "absolutely badass" so to speak)
The tension of the marines creeping through the already attacked colony, finding acid burns on the structures, Newt hiding away, the impregnated survivors etc.
Then the aliens attack and all hell breaks loose.
I can understand people hate on Alien 3 (even though I thought it was OK) but I find it hard to believe Aliens being grouped into brainless Hollywood tripe.
Well thats my opinion anyway!
C5_Steve said:
snip... Stuff about VFX
That's something the old sound engineer complained about too. How Sound Effects and CGI were beginning to be seen as a method of grabbing the attention of the audience rather than supporting the acting and story. I'd largely agree with him. This was back in the late 90's too.UTH said:
STe_rsv4 said:
Seriously?
Aliens and rot??
Aliens is probably regarded as one of the best Sci fi action sequels ever made. A shoot em up in space with no suspense? I don't think the first shot is fired until around 45 minutes into the film after most of the characters have been introduced (Ripley discovers her daughter has died while she was in hyper sleep - this is why her connection to Newt is so strong / the colonial marines introduction is just "absolutely badass" so to speak)
The tension of the marines creeping through the already attacked colony, finding acid burns on the structures, Newt hiding away, the impregnated survivors etc.
Then the aliens attack and all hell breaks loose.
I can understand people hate on Alien 3 (even though I thought it was OK) but I find it hard to believe Aliens being grouped into brainless Hollywood tripe.
Well thats my opinion anyway!
You're not wrong, IMO of course. It has everything really, one of the few films from many years ago (and a long one at that) that I will still find the time to rewatch. All this chat about it is even tempting me to have a few drinks tonight and stick it on. Aliens and rot??
Aliens is probably regarded as one of the best Sci fi action sequels ever made. A shoot em up in space with no suspense? I don't think the first shot is fired until around 45 minutes into the film after most of the characters have been introduced (Ripley discovers her daughter has died while she was in hyper sleep - this is why her connection to Newt is so strong / the colonial marines introduction is just "absolutely badass" so to speak)
The tension of the marines creeping through the already attacked colony, finding acid burns on the structures, Newt hiding away, the impregnated survivors etc.
Then the aliens attack and all hell breaks loose.
I can understand people hate on Alien 3 (even though I thought it was OK) but I find it hard to believe Aliens being grouped into brainless Hollywood tripe.
Well thats my opinion anyway!
One thing I never noticed before was that after Ripley closes the hatch door and climbs the ladder, Newt runs over to hug her but then also calls her "mommy".
I found that line a bit weird.
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