Dr Who… Awesome News If You're A Fan
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chemistry said:
Apparently Dr Who isn't for straight white men anyway, according to Metro 
https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/11/sorry-straight-whit...
That's that cleared up then, back to TV made for me:https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/11/sorry-straight-whit...
chemistry said:
Apparently Dr Who isn't for straight white men anyway, according to Metro
https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/11/sorry-straight-whit...
So it's inclusive but not if you are straight, white and male. Got it. It's like the whole Star Wars Sequels when they tried to turn the fanbase on itself by trying to make it look like a racism thing rather than a "This storyline is rubbish" thing. Classic squirrel behaviour.https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/11/sorry-straight-whit...
chemistry said:
Apparently Dr Who isn't for straight white men anyway, according to Metro
https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/11/sorry-straight-whit...
They've realised how stupid that was and edited the headline.https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/11/sorry-straight-whit...
chemistry said:
Apparently Dr Who isn't for straight white men anyway, according to Metro
https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/11/sorry-straight-whit...
I'm not having a dig at you personally here....https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/11/sorry-straight-whit...
I don't care if the Doctor is male, female, black, white, asian, gay, lesbian, transgender, straight, binary, non-binary, gender queer or whatever. I care that the stories and acting are good. It's obvious that Ncuti is a colourful character who's going to bring a new slant to the role in the same way that every other doctor has and he's obviously got plenty of acting ability to deliver a great Doctor. The plot lines for the first two episodes have been dreadful and babies and someone who steals music is not what Doctor Who is about.
I can live with colourful characters, like a drag queen for example, if that character supports the narrative of the story but to add a colourful character just for the sake of it is annoying and pointless.
Maybe I'm old (started watching Dr Who in the 1970's) but as it stands at the moment, I'm not encouraged by what I've seen so far in terms of narrative.
RustyMX5 said:
I'm not having a dig at you personally here....
I don't care if the Doctor is male, female, black, white, asian, gay, lesbian, transgender, straight, binary, non-binary, gender queer or whatever. I care that the stories and acting are good. It's obvious that Ncuti is a colourful character who's going to bring a new slant to the role in the same way that every other doctor has and he's obviously got plenty of acting ability to deliver a great Doctor. The plot lines for the first two episodes have been dreadful and babies and someone who steals music is not what Doctor Who is about.
I can live with colourful characters, like a drag queen for example, if that character supports the narrative of the story but to add a colourful character just for the sake of it is annoying and pointless.
Maybe I'm old (started watching Dr Who in the 1970's) but as it stands at the moment, I'm not encouraged by what I've seen so far in terms of narrative.
No offence taken and I have no issue with Ncuti being cast as the (entirely fictional...) Doctor. Nonetheless it's a shame that some sections of society, such as the Metro journalist, see it as another opportunity to turn inclusion (good thing) into identity politics (bad thing). I don't care if the Doctor is male, female, black, white, asian, gay, lesbian, transgender, straight, binary, non-binary, gender queer or whatever. I care that the stories and acting are good. It's obvious that Ncuti is a colourful character who's going to bring a new slant to the role in the same way that every other doctor has and he's obviously got plenty of acting ability to deliver a great Doctor. The plot lines for the first two episodes have been dreadful and babies and someone who steals music is not what Doctor Who is about.
I can live with colourful characters, like a drag queen for example, if that character supports the narrative of the story but to add a colourful character just for the sake of it is annoying and pointless.
Maybe I'm old (started watching Dr Who in the 1970's) but as it stands at the moment, I'm not encouraged by what I've seen so far in terms of narrative.
RTD making some of the Doctor Who storylines (as opposed to casting) pointedly woke, such as with the pronouns thing and him not being able to "let it go whilst as a male-presenting timelord", doesn't help.
Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread...the politics of it call can be discussed in N,P&E!
The inclusivity metric they are failing on is the one where the original description of The Doctor succeeded. In the original casting he was described as "A crotchety old man".
Being gender and colour aware is seen as fine, but the part calls for someone who is old. He is as he points out 900.
Being gender and colour aware is seen as fine, but the part calls for someone who is old. He is as he points out 900.
I think an interesting contrast is the latest episode of Inside #9.
It's a superbly scripted and acted story, that just so happens to represent the wide selection of folks who travel on a tube.
I'd love Pemberton and Shearsmith to have a crack at a few Who stories. I think they'd make a great job of it.
It's a superbly scripted and acted story, that just so happens to represent the wide selection of folks who travel on a tube.
I'd love Pemberton and Shearsmith to have a crack at a few Who stories. I think they'd make a great job of it.
Just to balance out the presumably mainly straight white middle aged male population on here, my daughter is now 22, is autistic, recently diagnosed with ADHD, and gay; she grew up with and loved Tennant, enjoyed Capaldi...
...and thinks the new stuff, from Jodie onwards, is dreadful - entirely down to the clunkiness of the writing forcing a tick into every box that she should, in theory, be applauding.
...and thinks the new stuff, from Jodie onwards, is dreadful - entirely down to the clunkiness of the writing forcing a tick into every box that she should, in theory, be applauding.
otolith said:
chemistry said:
Apparently Dr Who isn't for straight white men anyway, according to Metro
https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/11/sorry-straight-whit...
They've realised how stupid that was and edited the headline.https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/11/sorry-straight-whit...
Just watching the second episode. I think Ncuti could be a really good Dr. But what utter rubbish this is thus far. It isn’t Who.
Edited to say:-
The bouncing apprentice though still isn’t enough to make it watchable! The ending is so sad and pathetic.
What utter utter rubbish. Whoever signed this off at the BBC should be sacked.
Dr Who is an institution of British TV. This series and particularly the second episode has taken a huge great turd on top of it.
Edited to say:-
The bouncing apprentice though still isn’t enough to make it watchable! The ending is so sad and pathetic.
What utter utter rubbish. Whoever signed this off at the BBC should be sacked.
Dr Who is an institution of British TV. This series and particularly the second episode has taken a huge great turd on top of it.
Edited by W12GT on Tuesday 14th May 21:35
I'm not sure anyone should have expected different, it's just what you expect as the distillation of the worst recent habits from Disney and RTD's fairly limited range of pet ideas & themes.
They're making the show they want to make and whether an audience (especially the legacy audience) comes along for the ride apparently doesn't matter.
Maybe they'll carry on, maybe they'll change tack, maybe they'll kill it, but I'm fairly sure no lessons will be learnt along the way as they certainly haven't been before. And I'm not sure there'll be much of an audience left to care.
They're making the show they want to make and whether an audience (especially the legacy audience) comes along for the ride apparently doesn't matter.
Maybe they'll carry on, maybe they'll change tack, maybe they'll kill it, but I'm fairly sure no lessons will be learnt along the way as they certainly haven't been before. And I'm not sure there'll be much of an audience left to care.
Just watched the second episode myself, and honestly I thought it was brilliant. Fun, fast paced and funny.
Maestro was a fantastic villain, unhinged and scary enough while still being PG friendly.
The only thing that stuck out to me was Ruby mentioning her mum’s girlfriend and then the song for her mate who had a girlfriend too. It’s just pushing that aspect too hard.
But I love the new Doctor, he’s a breath of fresh air.
Maestro was a fantastic villain, unhinged and scary enough while still being PG friendly.
The only thing that stuck out to me was Ruby mentioning her mum’s girlfriend and then the song for her mate who had a girlfriend too. It’s just pushing that aspect too hard.
But I love the new Doctor, he’s a breath of fresh air.
Edited by ThomW on Tuesday 14th May 22:34
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