The real italian job
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I think the, sometimes vitriolic, 'jealousy' backlash stems from the frequency with which a celeb gets s
gged off here, usually based on a TV show or interview (which, I can say is, is far from real life).
It happened with Schumacher and continues with Hamilton, and many times people with actual and personal experience came on to refute this. JM made his fortune quickly and by 23 had a chain of restaurants and his first Ferrari, maybe he didn't have the chance to cultivate his social skills because of this, but I don't think he's a cock because of it. IMO I hasten to add.
gged off here, usually based on a TV show or interview (which, I can say is, is far from real life). It happened with Schumacher and continues with Hamilton, and many times people with actual and personal experience came on to refute this. JM made his fortune quickly and by 23 had a chain of restaurants and his first Ferrari, maybe he didn't have the chance to cultivate his social skills because of this, but I don't think he's a cock because of it. IMO I hasten to add.
Legion said:
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James came up to me, having been introduced to ME by my marketing director as I'd been trying to get him to come a VMax when he had the time.He took MY laptop (as I was working on the stand we show at the NEC Spring Fair) after I said to him I'd heard he'd sold his Merc Gullwing back to Mercedes, and I'd asked what he was replacing it with. We then preceded to continue to waffle on, myself having watched a Carrera GT have to be careful not to toast it clutch at VMax, about how he had similar issues.
He then stood with my Sales Director and my Sales Manager, both classic car collectors (2 Alpine 661's between them) and proceeded to talk my head off about the latest classics they'd all been geeking out about.
It was much like any PH meet that I have ever been to, and he would have completely fitted in with many of us.
I may point out that at a few PH meets that I have met some arrogant t
ts in my time, some who I tolerate, some that I do not, and everyone is entitled to thier opinions.James is a normal bloke who is under a lot of pressure to perform on telly, and this can be percieved very easily the wrong way.
The times I have spent with him have always been a laugh simply because I always take him at face value and not as some super duper star - he's a human at the end of the day.
I have a funny feeling, had I slowly worked my arse off enough to afford to buy the cars I've always wanted, I'd probably make some howler purchases, be protective over my babies, and generally be a bit emotional about them. Bear in mind also that many directors can easily cast a bad image of someone in order to make interesting telly.
You're probably right in that he would rather make a geek show but then that'd not bring in the viewers would it.
I'm just trying to simply put out there the fact that a millionaire ferrari owning chap is just as much a blokey bloke I'd share a pint with as a bloke who drives a basic car. I for one would like to sit down and share a beer with James sometime and natter about the Mille Miglia, and am looking forward maybe doing one day.
The bent valve could be down to a poor rebuild, or over revving - either way, it would be hard not to have a little sympathy for the bloke given the (apparent) expense hes gone to. Having said that, there is a moment where the "co-driver" (more specifically, "map reader") suggests a 3500 rpm limit, and he brushes her off, rather recklessly as it turns out.....
Edited by ROADRUNNER3 on Friday 2nd January 17:37
neil_bolton said:
Legion said:
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blahdeblahblahjamesmartinblahI hazard a guess that he may well be quite up on what's been the consensus view on the show. And I hope that he has the skin of a rhino (like most celebs do) to deal with the comments, not just here on PH, but elsewhere. Because ideally, what WE really need are more high profile telly performers, with car stuff in their blood, so that these types of shows will get the green light more easily on the major channels. If this can happen, and if he drops the bluff-for-TV act, then he may have the major (-ish) name clout for more productions like this to get made. He could work on his TV persona (or get the editorial control), and drop the cooking for the carshows, then we're all winners.
Legion said:
neil_bolton said:
Legion said:
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blahdeblahblahjamesmartinblahI hazard a guess that he may well be quite up on what's been the consensus view on the show. And I hope that he has the skin of a rhino (like most celebs do) to deal with the comments, not just here on PH, but elsewhere. Because ideally, what WE really need are more high profile telly performers, with car stuff in their blood, so that these types of shows will get the green light more easily on the major channels. If this can happen, and if he drops the bluff-for-TV act, then he may have the major (-ish) name clout for more productions like this to get made. He could work on his TV persona (or get the editorial control), and drop the cooking for the carshows, then we're all winners.
That is interesting. I wonder though if Blue Marlin is more an financial concern for his chefthingy telly show - like IT contractors and Ltd's, but who work for other companies 9-5 - or if it really is a fully fledged operational vehicle that does a video/tv production through the lifecycle.
Either way, he didn't/or couldn't exert enough rights over the production, so interesting angle.
Either way, he didn't/or couldn't exert enough rights over the production, so interesting angle.
I've watched this a few times now and while it didnt do him any favours he had one big saving grace which was when he was watching the cars cross the finish line and he turned to the camera and said "I'm going back to work and I'm going to work my ar$e off to make sure that I make it over that finishing line".
Nice to hear a 'celeb' talk about working hard to achieve their goals.
Nice to hear a 'celeb' talk about working hard to achieve their goals.
Davey S2 said:
Ihe had one big saving grace which was when he was watching the cars cross the finish line and he turned to the camera and said "I'm going back to work and I'm going to work my ar$e off to make sure that I make it over that finishing line".
Nice to hear a 'celeb' talk about working hard to achieve their goals.
Me and you both Nice to hear a 'celeb' talk about working hard to achieve their goals.
Davey S2 said:
I've watched this a few times now and while it didnt do him any favours he had one big saving grace which was when he was watching the cars cross the finish line and he turned to the camera and said "I'm going back to work and I'm going to work my ar$e off to make sure that I make it over that finishing line".
Nice to hear a 'celeb' talk about working hard to achieve their goals.
That's the point I was making at the beginning of this thred Nice to hear a 'celeb' talk about working hard to achieve their goals.
As 'He' said in the program, he had is own Resturant and Fezza by 23!!
Good luck to him.
williamp said:
I work on and restore my aston because its the only way I can afford to own one. If my situation changed, it would be shipped off to a workshop pronto,
Nice one. More power to your elbow !When you've finished it, and are driving it - then see if you'd rather have had a chequebook restoration...
The other thing is that unless it's a really unique car or has sentimental value, you're almost certainly better off saving up and buying a fully restored car in the first place. I speak from experience :-( (depends on the level of work needed obviously).
Cheers.
DBRacingGod said:
As I think I've said earlier - you can pass off the rampant ego (how many successful chefs manage without one?), but you can't fake the almighty sexism and awkward superiority - the two poisonous qualities that make his comeuppance so delicious.
Nothing to do with money.
Totally agree and don't forget his total ineptitude Nothing to do with money.
A case of 7Ps I believe. Hats off to the guy for entering, but splashing out all that dough at the 11th hour (pistons for 3k each?!?!?) and running a freshly built engine in a race is madness. What I really can't get over, is that he had a support van and mechanic that was apparantly less prepared than the driver!
He should have postponed his entry until the following year, allowing himself time to get it done right. He's been seen off at every step. Add the word 'motorsport' to any engineering job and suddenly the figures start to swell....
Did anyone see 'Kit car crisis' on Discovery Turbo a while back? Now that guy was an ill prepared one eye who REALLY made a hash of it. A fine lesson in how not to do it...
He should have postponed his entry until the following year, allowing himself time to get it done right. He's been seen off at every step. Add the word 'motorsport' to any engineering job and suddenly the figures start to swell....
Did anyone see 'Kit car crisis' on Discovery Turbo a while back? Now that guy was an ill prepared one eye who REALLY made a hash of it. A fine lesson in how not to do it...
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