House of the Dragon - SPOILERS inside.

House of the Dragon - SPOILERS inside.

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Skyedriver

18,161 posts

285 months

Tuesday 18th June
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SlimJim16v said:
I couldn't remember what happened and who was with who. I thought it was dull. Terrible security if assassins can just wander around the royal quarters, then not checking for a cock.
If I could remember who's who and where they all live it would have helped.
And apparently "winter is coming" at the wall. FFS it was coming for 8 series of GOT!

Amateur murderers, you just can't get the staff nowerdays.

Must admit I watched my recording last night and thought I'd scrap "Series link"

C5_Steve

3,677 posts

106 months

Tuesday 18th June
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I agree on the struggling to remember front, but I think GOT was the same wasn't it. A bit easier the further in you got, I don't think HOTD benefits from having the 4 actors play the two leads in the first series as now you struggle to link the events to the different faces. But I got over it fairly quickly although I'm sure more pausing and googling will be needed.

I thought this week's episode was a good start, seeing Rhaenyra grieve for her son with her dragon (who'd also lost a child) was very poignant. The fact she only had one line this week was bold and cements the motivation for the atrocities to come.

The opening at the wall with the Starks theme playing in the background was a nice touch, a lot of setting up in this episode which I hope then leads to a bit more action in the coming episodes.

Having no knowledge of the books, the ending came as quite a shock to me. I will say I think the scene lacked any sort of tension building and I'm not sure it worked as well as some of the other twists we've had. It literally went from "they won't possibly murder a child" to "they've just cut his head off" in a split second and it didn't really give the audience that beat to process it. If I think back to eps like The Red Wedding, you had several beats where you slowly but suddenly realised that everything wasn't right and then the moment where you realised what was going to happen. This scene just felt a tad rushed for some reason.

Not the best in terms of action but probably a necessary set up for the season.

Shaoxter

4,107 posts

127 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Surely it would have been quicker/more rigorous to check for the baby's willy than to ask the mother?

C5_Steve

3,677 posts

106 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Shaoxter said:
Surely it would have been quicker/more rigorous to check for the baby's willy than to ask the mother?
Perhaps but that would have woken both the kids potentially and then you've got 3 mouths to silence. 50/50 on getting it right and if you've woken the wrong one up you need to deal with the other.

Did seem a bit odd though.

Don Veloci

1,949 posts

284 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Steady start I thought.

Trundling along picking up from season 1 and setting things up then "oh Fcensored!". A bit dark to say the least.
It's going to kick off a bit now.

essayer

9,176 posts

197 months

Tuesday 18th June
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hope the dog was ok

The Rotrex Kid

30,727 posts

163 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Well I thought it was a great start, it’s going to build and build to a lovely crescendo!!

Mannginger

9,225 posts

260 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Skyedriver said:
If I could remember who's who and where they all live it would have helped.
And apparently "winter is coming" at the wall. FFS it was coming for 8 series of GOT!

Amateur murderers, you just can't get the staff nowerdays.

Must admit I watched my recording last night and thought I'd scrap "Series link"
Not watched the new one yet but don't forget King Viserys was all about The song of ice and fire and accidentally told Alicent instead of his daughter, Rhaeynera that Aegon had predicted she would unite the realm. But in his illness he spoke brokenly and Alicent understood it to mean her son Aegon.

There was a small chance for peace after the dinner Viserys called for. That one sickness addled mistake caused that all to gonunder

SlimJim16v

5,816 posts

146 months

Tuesday 18th June
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C5_Steve said:
I agree on the struggling to remember front, but I think GOT was the same wasn't it. A bit easier the further in you got, I don't think HOTD benefits from having the 4 actors play the two leads in the first series as now you struggle to link the events to the different faces. But I got over it fairly quickly although I'm sure more pausing and googling will be needed.
GoT though having more characters, was helped by having many excellent actors, many recognisable actors and better written, more interesting characters.

Timbo_S2

548 posts

266 months

Wednesday 19th June
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C5_Steve said:
Perhaps but that would have woken both the kids potentially and then you've got 3 mouths to silence. 50/50 on getting it right and if you've woken the wrong one up you need to deal with the other.

Did seem a bit odd though.
Was wondering how they were going to handle this, as in the book the assassins are made out to be a lot more competent, and killing one of the children was always the goal. They ask the mother which one she'd prefer to die, then kill the other whilst telling the surviving child of her choice. So they deliberately held back a little from the source material...

Don Veloci

1,949 posts

284 months

Wednesday 19th June
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essayer said:
hope the dog was ok
A stunt dog? Obviously wasn't kicked for real but should realise the brutal life of a working dog, million miles away from the cuddly pet life.

C5_Steve

3,677 posts

106 months

Wednesday 19th June
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Timbo_S2 said:
Was wondering how they were going to handle this, as in the book the assassins are made out to be a lot more competent, and killing one of the children was always the goal. They ask the mother which one she'd prefer to die, then kill the other whilst telling the surviving child of her choice. So they deliberately held back a little from the source material...
Wow that's far darker, now I'm kind of disappointed they dialled it back.

The Rotrex Kid

30,727 posts

163 months

Wednesday 19th June
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C5_Steve said:
Timbo_S2 said:
Was wondering how they were going to handle this, as in the book the assassins are made out to be a lot more competent, and killing one of the children was always the goal. They ask the mother which one she'd prefer to die, then kill the other whilst telling the surviving child of her choice. So they deliberately held back a little from the source material...
Wow that's far darker, now I'm kind of disappointed they dialled it back.
There was also sexual assault which got cut. I guess they just thought killing a child was dark enough!

vixen1700

23,349 posts

273 months

Tuesday 25th June
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Don Veloci said:
essayer said:
hope the dog was ok
A stunt dog? Obviously wasn't kicked for real but should realise the brutal life of a working dog, million miles away from the cuddly pet life.
Did about thirty days filming on this last year and one of the scenes with the dog having to do something and not doing it had everybody in fits of laughter. laugh The dog was very well cared for.

Watched both episodes now, struggled with the first one, but watched the second one straight after and it's starting to look promising for the series. smile


p1doc

3,157 posts

187 months

Tuesday 25th June
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great start to the series shame only 8 episodes then likely 2 yr wait till next series-first world problems lol

KillerHERTZ

972 posts

201 months

Tuesday 25th June
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A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms is out next year (The tales of Dunk & Egg). So we dont have that long to wait to return to Westeros.

Edited by KillerHERTZ on Tuesday 25th June 10:10

C5_Steve

3,677 posts

106 months

Tuesday 25th June
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I thought Ep2 was a little slow but it's done a lot of character work. Also, they mentioned the missing son so assume he'll turn up in S3 (Daeron).

Ser Criston is quickly becoming someone I hope dies a horrible death at this rate, absolute weasel.


Honourable Dead Snark

457 posts

22 months

Tuesday 25th June
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Struggled this episode with keeping track who is who (not even meaning the twins fight!).

Speaking of the “prank” as Otto called it, it really was a ridiculous plan.

Maybe it has something to do with the events of the previous season which I can’t entirely remember, but one obvious potential flaw in the twin assassination plan would be that Arryk decides to just defect and join his brother, rather than try and kill rhaenyra. That’s actually what I thought was going to happen.



SlimJim16v

5,816 posts

146 months

Tuesday 25th June
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Though slow, I thought it was very good with some great acting.
I think Otto, though right, was pushing his luck. The twin assassin, though he may have gone along with it, as soon as it comes to fighting your brother, that's where it stops. After being treated like a , I would've just changed sides. With ser dick as hand, all sensible decisions are gone.

C5_Steve

3,677 posts

106 months

Tuesday 25th June
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On the subject of good acting, Rhys Ifans continues to blow me away. Whilst his character is quite unlikeable (as are most of them to be fair) he was outstanding this week with his dissection of Aegon. Especially his little "You really think that?" at the end.