Star Wars: The Acolyte
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i'm confused - so the prequel movies when they start seeing/fighting Darth maul, they say that the Sith were extinct a long time ago and they have not seen anything like them in 1000s of years.
and no one remembers all these jedi getting poked by lightsabers just apx. 100 years ago , that the jedi conehead whos in this series and in the prequels is actively around, and YODA (alive at this time) didnt "see" all of this , and neither did any other jedi who ......"see things through the force"..... all of the entire jedi currently in the galaxy dont get any sense of this, yet they can sense darth maul in the prequels.... "theres some else Qui Gon, i sense ......something elusive"..............."keep you mind on the present young padawan, it will reveal itself eventually" (or something along those lines)
jesus cant these series just do stuff on their own without trying to make it relevant by shoehorning in characters and storylines that devalue whats been before.
rider73 said:
i'm confused - so the prequel movies when they start seeing/fighting Darth maul, they say that the Sith were extinct a long time ago and they have not seen anything like them in 1000s of years.
and no one remembers all these jedi getting poked by lightsabers just apx. 100 years ago , that the jedi conehead whos in this series and in the prequels is actively around, and YODA (alive at this time) didnt "see" all of this , and neither did any other jedi who ......"see things through the force"..... all of the entire jedi currently in the galaxy dont get any sense of this, yet they can sense darth maul in the prequels.... "theres some else Qui Gon, i sense ......something elusive"..............."keep you mind on the present young padawan, it will reveal itself eventually" (or something along those lines)
jesus cant these series just do stuff on their own without trying to make it relevant by shoehorning in characters and storylines that devalue whats been before.
Correct and no one remembers all these jedi getting poked by lightsabers just apx. 100 years ago , that the jedi conehead whos in this series and in the prequels is actively around, and YODA (alive at this time) didnt "see" all of this , and neither did any other jedi who ......"see things through the force"..... all of the entire jedi currently in the galaxy dont get any sense of this, yet they can sense darth maul in the prequels.... "theres some else Qui Gon, i sense ......something elusive"..............."keep you mind on the present young padawan, it will reveal itself eventually" (or something along those lines)
jesus cant these series just do stuff on their own without trying to make it relevant by shoehorning in characters and storylines that devalue whats been before.
The argument some have made is that this isn't the Sith, it's just people who are "force sensitive" (like the witches). However, that excuse appears to have fallen apart as Manny Jacinto has confirmed his character is a Sith Lord.
Then again, Palpatine was swanning around the senate with no one picking up on him in the prequels, so perhaps this new character is as powerful as the Emperor was...
(but I agree, it would have been better if they'd taken a Visions approach or similar and just done their own thing rather than try and tie it in but make no effort with existing canon).
I gave up after episode 3. Infact I found the critical drinker videos about how s
te this series is far more entertaining. This series is like ST Discovery.
Like Star Trek the time line / series of events are starting to become blurred with all these spin off films / series that are back / forth in time.
te this series is far more entertaining. This series is like ST Discovery.Like Star Trek the time line / series of events are starting to become blurred with all these spin off films / series that are back / forth in time.
rider73 said:
The old swapsies ploy too. Master jedi didn't sense it then huh? Sense evil... Nahhh plot won't work then...
Definitely the best episode of the series for me but that isn't a high bar. The fight scenes were good (although too obscured at times) and it was nice to see some named characters die even if we never really got to know much about them. But it still falls down any time they go anywhere near inconvenient things like plot, script, editing and acting. Everything is just too convenient for the plot, motivations change instantly, editing is strange how you can be in the middle of one scene and they throw in a random filler shot and the lead (particularly as Osha) is just a vacuum or passive participant to the extent I wonder if the show would be any different without her.TGCOTF-dewey said:
That was an anti-climax. I'd assumed it was spikey head woman who was the sith. Would have been a better plot twist.
I don't think it is well-written enough to give us a genuine, unexpected twist. There's been plenty of places where people have said "it won't be X, it's too obvious" and then....it was X all along.It was pretty obvious who the bad guy would be, there was no mystery beyond episode 1 on who the killer was, we knew there would be a twin swap based on the "Oh look, you have a new tattoo that only you have" scene.
)Much like Ashoka series, thinking how much series runtime has passed so far it's probably more than A new hope , and yet i don't care about anything of this, yet that movie spawned the entire billions of dollar franchise this series is trying to join to...
Sigh
Can it be that hard to write a whimsical interesting story bringing fun and hope with all the might and resource and technology and money of Disney
It appears so
Sigh
Can it be that hard to write a whimsical interesting story bringing fun and hope with all the might and resource and technology and money of Disney
It appears so
lambosagogo said:
I don't think it is well-written enough to give us a genuine, unexpected twist. There's been plenty of places where people have said "it won't be X, it's too obvious" and then....it was X all along.
I said that a couple of pages back.Viewers were postulating that the big bad from Episode 1 (who couldn't be a Sith because it would break canon) could be the horn-headed mother of the twins - which would have been a clever twist for multiple reasons including a possible species-link to Darth Maul, plus ticking the DEI box without having to force it (no pun intended).
Instead its pound-shop Ezra Miller, and they get him to double-down on the canon-breach with his reveal. It's neither clever nor subverting expectations, just really really stupidly bad storytelling made even worse because it doesn't fit at all with the world the story is supposed to inhabit.
Main antagonist flips from bad to good and back again with no motivation or reason, making it look like different writers wrote different parts of the script without talking to each other,
This show is just really, really bad and it has sweet FA to do with any diversity or social issues being presented, which in and of themselves add nothing to the story.
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Main antagonist flips from bad to good and back again with no motivation or reason, making it look like different writers wrote different parts of the script without talking to each other,
None of the characters really have any agency themselves - they are just passengers for the plot. In Andor, each of the characters had their own motivations / agenda and they crossed over to form an overall story composed of a set of arcs. In Acolyte people will act however the plot needs them to act, no matter how stupid or inconsistent with earlier behaviour that is.At the start, the lead character is living a quiet, hidden life after leaving the Jedi. Not a Yoda / Obiwan recluse but obviously not wanting to get involved in things. Later she decides that actually, yes, she does want to go investigate the murder of a Jedi (a murder for which she was previously arrested). That's a big change. Later still she meets her long lost sister who is revealed to be the killer. She then says, "well that's not my problem. That's something for the Jedi to sort out with her, nothing to do with me". So she was fine to investigate a murder but now it's her presumed dead sister it's just too much effort and she just wants to be a mechanic again. But then the Jedi ask her to go so she says yes.
"Evil twin" is much the same. So is Yord - he is ordered to take Osha to the ship, so he does, but then she points out that the sith is trying to kill the other Jedi and so he changes his mind and goes back.
lambosagogo said:
said:
Main antagonist flips from bad to good and back again with no motivation or reason, making it look like different writers wrote different parts of the script without talking to each other,
None of the characters really have any agency themselves - they are just passengers for the plot. In Andor, each of the characters had their own motivations / agenda and they crossed over to form an overall story composed of a set of arcs. In Acolyte people will act however the plot needs them to act, no matter how stupid or inconsistent with earlier behaviour that is.At the start, the lead character is living a quiet, hidden life after leaving the Jedi. Not a Yoda / Obiwan recluse but obviously not wanting to get involved in things. Later she decides that actually, yes, she does want to go investigate the murder of a Jedi (a murder for which she was previously arrested). That's a big change. Later still she meets her long lost sister who is revealed to be the killer. She then says, "well that's not my problem. That's something for the Jedi to sort out with her, nothing to do with me". So she was fine to investigate a murder but now it's her presumed dead sister it's just too much effort and she just wants to be a mechanic again. But then the Jedi ask her to go so she says yes.
"Evil twin" is much the same. So is Yord - he is ordered to take Osha to the ship, so he does, but then she points out that the sith is trying to kill the other Jedi and so he changes his mind and goes back.
"we need tension at 12 minute intervals for the episode, so we'll have x y and z fight a baddie at the start....and have x and y run away in the darkness into the forest and it will be all spooky - oh ok ....errr why? well get 'z' to tell them to do that , oh ok, but we really want x and y to be back with z by 25 mins into the episode so we can have a big fight, ok well just get x to convince y to go back. ok great. we can then do another big fight and then x y and z can run away again
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Is it just me or are the Jedi a but, well, a bit puny in this? I know it's set long before ANH and I know the Jedi basically keep the peace, however they are powerful, highly skilled fighters. The Jedi seem to be picked off quite easily. How many Jedi died by one enemy in the latest ep.
zetec said:
Is it just me or are the Jedi a but, well, a bit puny in this? I know it's set long before ANH and I know the Jedi basically keep the peace, however they are powerful, highly skilled fighters. The Jedi seem to be picked off quite easily. How many Jedi died by one enemy in the latest ep.
I'm guessing they're aren't many Sith about to hone your skills on.I don't know if that was the first darkside user those Jedi had ever come across.
I understand Qimir was also using some fighting techniques that the Jedi deemed unsportsmanlike so never trained in, along with a light saber that splits in 2 and the armour that nullified their sabers temporarily which is a very rare material.
He did seem very overpowered though, he would have given young Anakin/Obi Wan a lot of trouble.
Radec said:
zetec said:
Is it just me or are the Jedi a but, well, a bit puny in this? I know it's set long before ANH and I know the Jedi basically keep the peace, however they are powerful, highly skilled fighters. The Jedi seem to be picked off quite easily. How many Jedi died by one enemy in the latest ep.
I'm guessing they're aren't many Sith about to hone your skills on.I don't know if that was the first darkside user those Jedi had ever come across.
I understand Qimir was also using some fighting techniques that the Jedi deemed unsportsmanlike so never trained in, along with a light saber that splits in 2 and the armour that nullified their sabers temporarily which is a very rare material.
He did seem very overpowered though, he would have given young Anakin/Obi Wan a lot of trouble.
I do get irritated at the way in which lightsabers can cut anything at all except each other and anything the plot makes invulnerable.
The writing here is really poor. The big reveal as obvious from the beginning, they are doing exactly what you would expect from estranged twins on two sides of the story when they meet. It’s lazy.
And that’s before they, at least, bend, if not fully break canon.
The writing here is really poor. The big reveal as obvious from the beginning, they are doing exactly what you would expect from estranged twins on two sides of the story when they meet. It’s lazy.
And that’s before they, at least, bend, if not fully break canon.
rider73 said:
methinks they write the plot of what each episode should contain then just make the characters fit it, thats why we dont get invested or like the characters, because they dont bring any "character" which is framed by their emotions, motivations and decisions - with this its just a free for all when things are needed by the plot.
"we need tension at 12 minute intervals for the episode, so we'll have x y and z fight a baddie at the start....and have x and y run away in the darkness into the forest and it will be all spooky - oh ok ....errr why? well get 'z' to tell them to do that , oh ok, but we really want x and y to be back with z by 25 mins into the episode so we can have a big fight, ok well just get x to convince y to go back. ok great. we can then do another big fight and then x y and z can run away again
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Exactly this. It also conveniently stretches the episode out without anything really happening. As fun as the big lightsaber battle was (and it was fun), I expect if someone objectively wrote down everything that happened there would be a lot of scratching heads and confused faces."we need tension at 12 minute intervals for the episode, so we'll have x y and z fight a baddie at the start....and have x and y run away in the darkness into the forest and it will be all spooky - oh ok ....errr why? well get 'z' to tell them to do that , oh ok, but we really want x and y to be back with z by 25 mins into the episode so we can have a big fight, ok well just get x to convince y to go back. ok great. we can then do another big fight and then x y and z can run away again
yada
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