House of the Dragon - SPOILERS inside.
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The Rotrex Kid said:
youngsyr said:
Point is, in S1 of GoT, magic does not exist. Any references are fairy tales.
Dragons on the other hand are recent history.
Therefore Dragons can't fly by magic.
The Dothraki have Blood Magic healers in S1, and Daenerys walks out of the fire with her dragons completely unburnt in Season 1, Episode 10.Dragons on the other hand are recent history.
Therefore Dragons can't fly by magic.
Magic.
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
Point is, in S1 of GoT, magic does not exist. Any references are fairy tales.
Dragons on the other hand are recent history.
Therefore Dragons can't fly by magic.
In S1 of GoT dragons were extinct / queried if they ever existed, and white walkers never existed and were fairytales.Dragons on the other hand are recent history.
Therefore Dragons can't fly by magic.
HoD is 200+ years before GoT
Magic or not, Dragons exist and fly..
Quetzalcoatlus (flying dinosaur) existed in our World, wingspan of reportedly 50-70'
That puts it not far off dragons
Either way, its make believe so
Everyone doubted magic existed, that was a big part of the story!
youngsyr said:
The Rotrex Kid said:
youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
I'm with you. It's just implausible how they get airborne at all. Wings are nowhere near big enough.
Magic!Next you'll be asking how Dead Dragons with holes in their wing can fly, or skeletons can wield swords!
White Walkers etc are magic that no-one understands and most thought were a fairy tale. Magic didn't exist in the early series of GoT, but dragons did, albeit they were extinct.
Source: GOT Wiki - https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Magic
Magic has already started declining as most of the Dragons died in the Doom, Balerion the Black (long dead) was the last Dragon actually born in Valeryia. There were likely hundreds/thousands of Dragons at the height of Valeryia.
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
And that makes no sense either - dragons are everywhere in HoD, yet there is no other magic at all. Not a single bit.
Except we know the white walkers exist during HoD, Magic is everywhere, we've just not explicitly been shown it yet in HoD.Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean its not still there..
I'll wager the faceless men are still operating in Bravos (given they were operating during the time of the Doom many years earlier!)
Therefore Dragons cannot be magic!!!
youngsyr said:
The Rotrex Kid said:
youngsyr said:
Point is, in S1 of GoT, magic does not exist. Any references are fairy tales.
Dragons on the other hand are recent history.
Therefore Dragons can't fly by magic.
The Dothraki have Blood Magic healers in S1, and Daenerys walks out of the fire with her dragons completely unburnt in Season 1, Episode 10.Dragons on the other hand are recent history.
Therefore Dragons can't fly by magic.
Magic.
youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
And that makes no sense either - dragons are everywhere in HoD, yet there is no other magic at all. Not a single bit.
Except we know the white walkers exist during HoD, Magic is everywhere, we've just not explicitly been shown it yet in HoD.Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean its not still there..
I'll wager the faceless men are still operating in Bravos (given they were operating during the time of the Doom many years earlier!)
Therefore Dragons cannot be magic!!!
The Faceless men existed in Westeros
The Red Priests existed in Westeros
The Three Eyed Raven existed in Westeros
The Children of the forest existed in Westeros
The undead existed in Westeros
Wargs existed in Westeros
Magic was all around, most of the common folk just didn't see it!
Doesn't mean it wasn't there
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
And that makes no sense either - dragons are everywhere in HoD, yet there is no other magic at all. Not a single bit.
Except we know the white walkers exist during HoD, Magic is everywhere, we've just not explicitly been shown it yet in HoD.Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean its not still there..
I'll wager the faceless men are still operating in Bravos (given they were operating during the time of the Doom many years earlier!)
Therefore Dragons cannot be magic!!!
The Faceless men existed in Westeros
The Red Priests existed in Westeros
The Three Eyed Raven existed in Westeros
The Children of the forest existed in Westeros
The undead existed in Westeros
Wargs existed in Westeros
Magic was all around, most of the common folk just didn't see it!
Doesn't mean it wasn't there
How can dragons fly by magic, for thousands to see with their own eyes, yet no-one believes magic exists?
If dragons fly by magic, thousands have SEEN MAGIC WITH THEIR OWN EYES.
The fact that no-one believes in magic, despite having seen dragons fly, proves that dragons don't fly by magic!
People MUST believe that they fly the same way that birds do.
youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
And that makes no sense either - dragons are everywhere in HoD, yet there is no other magic at all. Not a single bit.
Except we know the white walkers exist during HoD, Magic is everywhere, we've just not explicitly been shown it yet in HoD.Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean its not still there..
I'll wager the faceless men are still operating in Bravos (given they were operating during the time of the Doom many years earlier!)
Therefore Dragons cannot be magic!!!
The Faceless men existed in Westeros
The Red Priests existed in Westeros
The Three Eyed Raven existed in Westeros
The Children of the forest existed in Westeros
The undead existed in Westeros
Wargs existed in Westeros
Magic was all around, most of the common folk just didn't see it!
Doesn't mean it wasn't there
How can dragons fly by magic, for thousands to see with their own eyes, yet no-one believes magic exists?
If dragons fly by magic, thousands have SEEN MAGIC WITH THRIR OWN EYES.
The fact that bo-one believes in magic, despite having seen dragons fly, proves that dragons don't fly by magic!
People MUST believe that they fly the same way that birds do.
Old Nan for example told Bran stories of Magic and White Walkers and the things that exist north of the wall / the long winter.
They believe in prophecy (which is magic!)
I think you're simply going toooooooo far with your interpretation here
Either way... Dragons be Magic fire breathing beasts that can survive hundreds of years inside an egg, not self-combust and know a Valyarian from a commoner!
Long live the Dragons
Edited by JamieBeeston on Thursday 20th October 18:03
JamieBeeston said:
Please show me canon where noone believes in Magic ?
There hasn't been a single mention or showing of it in HoD. No priests or other magical people in any position of authority. Even religion is sneered at by many (Daemon vs Alicent).200 years later, in GoT people in Westeros explicitly don't believe in white walkers, wargs, Red Priests or any other type of magic. They are dismissed as superstitions and fairy tales.
youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
Please show me canon where noone believes in Magic ?
There hasn't been a single mention or showing of it in HoD. No priests or other magical people in any position of authority. Even religion is sneered at by many (Daemon vs Alicent).200 years later, in GoT most people in Westeros explicitly don't believe in white walkers, wargs, Red Priests or any other type of magic. They are dismissed as superstitions and fairy tales by most people.
Afraid there is nothing I can comment based on that.
Edited your post for accuracy.
PS the Brotherhood without Banners believed in the Lord of Light, thus Magic and Red Priests, and was created indirectly in S1 by Eddard Stark.
Edited by JamieBeeston on Thursday 20th October 18:12
JamieBeeston said:
Ok, so you're just guessing / surmising / jumping to conclusions then.
Afraid there is nothing I can comment based on that.
Edited your post for accuracy.
I've set out my logic very clearly, several times. Afraid there is nothing I can comment based on that.
Edited your post for accuracy.
Unfortunately ( for you), I'm not convinced by poor arguments and post doctoring.
youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
People MUST believe that they fly the same way that birds do.
No-one has seen a Dragon fly for 3-4 generations in S1, so they'd have no frikken clue either way 
Doesn't mean I know it happened, only that it was written down.
You've been a pleasant enough chap so far, lets keep this civil youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
Ok, so you're just guessing / surmising / jumping to conclusions then.
Afraid there is nothing I can comment based on that.
Edited your post for accuracy.
I've set out my logic very clearly, several times. Afraid there is nothing I can comment based on that.
Edited your post for accuracy.
Unfortunately ( for you), I'm not convinced by poor arguments and post doctoring.
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
People MUST believe that they fly the same way that birds do.
No-one has seen a Dragon fly for 3-4 generations in S1, so they'd have no frikken clue either way Doesn't mean I know it happened, only that it was written down.
You've been a pleasant enough chap so far, lets keep this civil That explains a lot.
youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
People MUST believe that they fly the same way that birds do.
No-one has seen a Dragon fly for 3-4 generations in S1, so they'd have no frikken clue either way Doesn't mean I know it happened, only that it was written down.
You've been a pleasant enough chap so far, lets keep this civil That explains a lot.
I'm reminded of an old quote from Mark Twain about not arguing with people, I'll leave this with that
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
JamieBeeston said:
youngsyr said:
People MUST believe that they fly the same way that birds do.
No-one has seen a Dragon fly for 3-4 generations in S1, so they'd have no frikken clue either way Doesn't mean I know it happened, only that it was written down.
You've been a pleasant enough chap so far, lets keep this civil That explains a lot.
I'm reminded of an old quote from Mark Twain about not arguing with people, I'll leave this with that
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