Dispatches - NHS in Crisis

[tele_lover]

Ken_Code said:

tele_lover said:

Ken_Code said:

tele_lover said:

I didn't say there weren't formal requirements for them. I implied the whole system is pointless.

Most of the population do not use their education once they leave school or university. Most jobs do not require it.

Mist jobs don’t require being able to read, write, tell the time or count?

I said secondary education.

I also said excluding basic reading, writing and IT.

You did, and then went on to talk about them using their education at all. It’s still there in the post I responded to.

You seem unable to understand that just because your job requires no education that that doesn’t apply to most people. Claiming that nurses only need a primary-school level education is ridiculous.

1) Where did I say my job doesn't require any education?

2) Where did I say nurses only need primary school education?

[Ken_Code]

tele_lover said:

1) Where did I say my job doesn't require any education?

You didn’t, it’s apparent from your posts.

[tele_lover]

pavarotti1980 said:

tele_lover said:

I didn't say there weren't formal requirements for them. I implied the whole system is pointless.

Most of the population do not use their education once they leave school or university. Most jobs do not require it.

School would be better suited teaching many about business/money/health.

Only a very small group actually utilise what they received.

I didn't mention formal requirements, but they are base for further learning hence their broad nature which will allow for a more focussed education as you progress through education (hence why you do 9/10 GCSEs, 3/4 A Levels, 1 degree or HE course)

Don't mean this rudely but I know how the system is structured. That's how I know it's pointless for most people.

[pavarotti1980]

tele_lover said:

Don't mean this rudely but I know how the system is structured. That's how I know it's pointless for most people.

Yet somehow you feel it has no basis in given children a broad education to allow them to go an and be further educated for their careers and feel the only thing that should be taught is business/IT/health. I think that shows a staggering lack of understanding of how it is structured and how it is integral to a child's developments.

I will guarantee that there will be parts of your education which you will be subconsciously using every single day which you feel is pointless. What is your current job?

[tele_lover]

Ken_Code said:

tele_lover said:

1) Where did I say my job doesn't require any education?

You didn’t, it’s apparent from your posts.

Well it's factually incorrect, so I guess that's another thing you got wrong.

And I asked two questions, not one.

[Ken_Code]

tele_lover said:

Well it's factually incorrect, so I guess that's another thing you got wrong.

And I asked two questions, not one.

You wrote this above;

“ Most of the population do not use their education once they leave school or university. Most jobs do not require it.”

And seem still not to understand how silly that was.

[tele_lover]

pavarotti1980 said:

tele_lover said:

Don't mean this rudely but I know how the system is structured. That's how I know it's pointless for most people.

Yet somehow you feel it has no basis in given children a broad education to allow them to go an and be further educated for their careers and feel the only thing that should be taught is business/IT/health. I think that shows a staggering lack of understanding of how it is structured and how it is integral to a child's developments.

I will guarantee that there will be parts of your education which you will be subconsciously using every single day which you feel is pointless. What is your current job?

What percentage of people in the UK use their secondary education in their careers? I am assuming basic reading/writing is primary school and I've already acknowledged basic IT skills. I am asking beyond that.

If you actually stop and think you will realise it's staggeringly small.

[tele_lover]

Ken_Code said:

tele_lover said:

Well it's factually incorrect, so I guess that's another thing you got wrong.

And I asked two questions, not one.

You wrote this above;

“ Most of the population do not use their education once they leave school or university. Most jobs do not require it.”

And seem still not to understand how silly that was.

So what % of workers use their secondary education (excluding basic IT/numeracy skills, as I excluded that from the beginning)?

[pavarotti1980]

tele_lover said:

What percentage of people in the UK use their secondary education in their careers? I am assuming basic reading/writing is primary school and I've already acknowledged basic IT skills. I am asking beyond that.

If you actually stop and think you will realise it's staggeringly small.

I would say the majority without you realising

[tele_lover]

pavarotti1980 said:

tele_lover said:

What percentage of people in the UK use their secondary education in their careers? I am assuming basic reading/writing is primary school and I've already acknowledged basic IT skills. I am asking beyond that.

If you actually stop and think you will realise it's staggeringly small.

I would say the majority without you realising

Examples?

[pavarotti1980]

tele_lover said:

Examples?

You are writing in sentences

[Ken_Code]

tele_lover said:

So what % of workers use their secondary education (excluding basic IT/numeracy skills, as I excluded that from the beginning)?

Dear god you’re dense.

That list if yours referred to all education, not secondary. I know that you are trying to back-track now, but that’s what you wrote.

Secondly you are the one that made the claim, without any evidence. You need to find the data to back it up, not demand that others disprove it.

You are doing an excellent job here of showing just how debilitating it can be to lack a decent education. If you don’t understand basic concepts like the burden of proof then you struggle even here.

[Salted_Peanut]

tele_lover said:

I'm not a huge fan of the Tories since Cameron because most of their MPs are centrist, globalist metro elites. However, Labour are fking terrifying. A significant number are naive (as many left wing people are) take for example AR and her nuclear disarmament. And a significant number hate Britain.

I'll take incompetent/selfish over naive & traitorous any day.

Most political parties, including the Conservatives and Labour, are broad churches. However, I hardly feel that Labour is traitorous, considering it has fourteen ex-military personnel as candidates for MPs, such as this Labour candidate: Former Royal Marines Colonel quits military to stand as Labour candidate in general election.

Also, Keir has said his commitment to the UK's nuclear weapons is "unshakeable" and "absolute". I'm not arguing for any political party, but I have military service and don't feel Labour (or the Conservatives, for that matter) is "traitorous".

[Tom8]

740EVTORQUES said:

But aren’t overall taxes higher in Germany than the U.K.?

https://expatrist.com/taxes-in-germany-vs-uk-lets-...

In no small part because of the relatively large social taxes you outlined.

This used to be a classic under the labour government of Blair claiming UK income tax is lowest. But, like every other labour claim this was a lie as it excluded NI. Also in Germany when I worked there I paid 50% up front but everyone self assessed so after review and rebate my usual amount was about 32%

[Megaflow]

I said it earlier in the thread, I am really not sure money is the problem with the NHS, and the experience of the last couple of days has reinforced that.

I have been waiting a year for an ENT appointment, I finally got it on Sunday and got a prescription to deal with the issues. Sadly that prescription has a mistake on it and the pharmacy won’t dispense it.

When I was here on Sunday there was more staff than patient's. I have now had to come back to get a new prescription, so far 30 minutes and counting, and again I have seen more staff than patients. And I don’t mean like one or two more, I mean I have seen about 5 patients and I have seen so many different staff, must be 30-40 different doctors, nurses, etc.

How does it take 30+ minutes to produce a duplicate receipt?

ETA: 62 minutes for a replacement prescription. Roughly 3 times the length of the original appointment, for something that should of taken 60 seconds.

Remember though kids, there is no inefficiency in the system...

Edited by Megaflow on Tuesday 2nd July 13:30

[740EVTORQUES]

tele_lover said:

I didn't say there weren't formal requirements for them. I implied the whole system is pointless.

Most of the population do not use their education once they leave school or university. Most jobs do not require it.

School would be better suited teaching many about business/money/health.

Only a very small group actually utilise what they received.

What an utterly depressing post.

(Wrong as well)

Business is a necessary evil which gets in the way of things that actually enrich lives.

[Salted_Peanut]

Another view is that the private sector does public good by driving a healthy economy, providing employment and ensuring public services.

Moreover, employment makes a considerable difference to people’s health, among other things. In contrast, unemployment is associated with poor health and even suicide risk. It’s much healthier to have a job than to be unemployed.

740EVTORQUES said:

Business is a necessary evil which gets in the way of things that actually enrich lives.

While it’s not true for everyone, some find business work enriching. I have worked in the private and public sectors. In both cases, I felt that I contributed equally to society.

[Slow.Patrol]

I went to the local hospital today for a physio appointment.

It was boiling in there.

THE HEATING WAS ON!!!!!

[Riley Blue]

Slow.Patrol said:

I went to the local hospital today for a physio appointment.

It was boiling in there.

THE HEATING WAS ON!!!!!

That's because they're keeping inpatients comfortable; it can get a bit chilly when you're wearing a backless gown all day.

[FrankAbagnale]

Ah yes, the radiators are on in my partners building all day, every day. They open the windows a lot.

She did tell me why once, and while I can’t remember the reason it was ridiculous and a colossal waste of money.