Star Wars: The Acolyte
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There is always a lot of smoke and mirrors when it comes to producing film media, especially if you take advantage of Europe for filming.
I read somewhere in the past that the UK government paid quite a large amount in tax credits to Disney/Lucasfilm for filming the Star Wars movies and TV shows like Andor in the UK. Up to 2023 That was over £300m in size, the credit given by the UK for Andor alone was circa £40m.
I read somewhere in the past that the UK government paid quite a large amount in tax credits to Disney/Lucasfilm for filming the Star Wars movies and TV shows like Andor in the UK. Up to 2023 That was over £300m in size, the credit given by the UK for Andor alone was circa £40m.
kalexan273 said:
There is always a lot of smoke and mirrors when it comes to producing film media, especially if you take advantage of Europe for filming.
I read somewhere in the past that the UK government paid quite a large amount in tax credits to Disney/Lucasfilm for filming the Star Wars movies and TV shows like Andor in the UK. Up to 2023 That was over £300m in size, the credit given by the UK for Andor alone was circa £40m.
You are implying that the UK Government are giving money to Disney. This is absolutely NOT the case. All the Tax Credit system does is allow tax relief on costs associated with entertainment production if it is done in the UK.I read somewhere in the past that the UK government paid quite a large amount in tax credits to Disney/Lucasfilm for filming the Star Wars movies and TV shows like Andor in the UK. Up to 2023 That was over £300m in size, the credit given by the UK for Andor alone was circa £40m.
All that therefor means is that if The Acolyte cost Disney Lucasfilm $180,000,000 then however much of that was spent in the UK was less than it might have been if UKGOV had taken their share via corporation tax and income tax to employees.
High-end Television Tax Relief.
If anything that makes the budget for The Acolyte even more baffling in the light of the low-quality product as almost all of it should have gone into production costs (unless maybe you are implying that Disney Lucasfilm artificially inflates the declared budget to scam the UK Treasury, which is highly illegal of course...)
Edited by Evercross on Friday 21st June 10:32
My god it's awful, I've given up after the last episode. Characters behave in absolutely nonsensical ways and it doesn't treat established SW lore particularly well. Plus, it looks awful!
Interestingly, I wrote a low-scoring review on Rotten Tomatoes about it (and wasn't abusive or vague), and it was deleted before even being published.
Interestingly, I wrote a low-scoring review on Rotten Tomatoes about it (and wasn't abusive or vague), and it was deleted before even being published.
Evercross said:
kalexan273 said:
There is always a lot of smoke and mirrors when it comes to producing film media, especially if you take advantage of Europe for filming.
I read somewhere in the past that the UK government paid quite a large amount in tax credits to Disney/Lucasfilm for filming the Star Wars movies and TV shows like Andor in the UK. Up to 2023 That was over £300m in size, the credit given by the UK for Andor alone was circa £40m.
You are implying that the UK Government are giving money to Disney. This is absolutely NOT the case. All the Tax Credit system does is allow tax relief on costs associated with entertainment production if it is done in the UK.I read somewhere in the past that the UK government paid quite a large amount in tax credits to Disney/Lucasfilm for filming the Star Wars movies and TV shows like Andor in the UK. Up to 2023 That was over £300m in size, the credit given by the UK for Andor alone was circa £40m.
All that therefor means is that if The Acolyte cost Disney Lucasfilm $180,000,000 then however much of that was spent in the UK was less than it might have been if UKGOV had taken their share via corporation tax and income tax to employees.
High-end Television Tax Relief.
If anything that makes the budget for The Acolyte even more baffling in the light of the low-quality product as almost all of it should have gone into production costs (unless maybe you are implying that Disney Lucasfilm artificially inflates the declared budget to scam the UK Treasury, which is highly illegal of course...)
Edited by Evercross on Friday 21st June 10:32
And the credit increases from 25-34% from this year on.
SlimJim16v said:
WTF did they spend all that money on?
Messaging?Seriously though, it is quite ironic that an establishment corporate behemoth such as Disney tries to present its millionaire directors and actors as the underdogs against a hostile audience of alleged 'ists and 'phobes.
It's all a distraction though from the true goal of this and the proposed Rey film bookends to the Star Wars saga. Kathleen Kennedy doesn't really care about woke messaging but she's realised she can manipulate the current political appetite for it in the entertainment industry (and the billions being thrown at it by ESG scoring stakeholder capitalists) to rewrite Star Wars lore in her image.
Evercross said:
SlimJim16v said:
WTF did they spend all that money on?
Messaging?Seriously though, it is quite ironic that an establishment corporate behemoth such as Disney tries to present its millionaire directors and actors as the underdogs against a hostile audience of alleged 'ists and 'phobes.
It's all a distraction though from the true goal of this and the proposed Rey film bookends to the Star Wars saga. Kathleen Kennedy doesn't really care about woke messaging but she's realised she can manipulate the current political appetite for it in the entertainment industry (and the billions being thrown at it by ESG scoring stakeholder capitalists) to rewrite Star Wars lore in her image.
I don't even know what "rewrite Star Wars lore in her image" means, but then I don't give a s
t about lore, I just want entertaining, and most of the time the re-writing people moan about is retconning some throwaway nonsense from the early films that was clearly done just because it looked cool in 1977 but makes no sense if you want to be able to set more grown-up stories in the same universe. Anyway, I watched Ep4 last night, and I thought it was OK, much better than 3. Nothing obviously jarring happened, and it's moving the story on and sort of explaining some of the odd stuff from earlier on. I'm quite open to the idea that these jedi are actually a bit rubbish at fighting, the whole 600 years of peace and stability thing has made them complacent, most of the senior ones seem more interested in internal politics, they go everywhere mob-handed and declare the name of the Republic, and they're training choreographed poses with sticks. They sent a bunch of them on an obviously dangerous mission but only one of them was confident of dealing with a dog-sized beetle. They haven't fought in wars and killed people and relied on their wits to survive, so they still have the powers but they're a bit soft and slow.
I do think it's interesting to take the kids' idea of space wizards with laser swords and play around with how that might work out in a more realistic universe. So I'm going to recalibrate my ideas about the Jedi and accept the fight scene with Trinity may not have been as implausible as I first thought, gloss over the singing witches with backing track, and the weirdly flammable stone castle, and see where it goes from here. The big bad looks cool too.
Blib said:
The elephant in the room is that the show is aimed at an audience that does not exist, while, at the same time alienating(sic) the group that is invested in the franchise.
Hence, the abysmally low ratings and viewing figures.
That is entirely the fault of the show's creators.
IndeedHence, the abysmally low ratings and viewing figures.
That is entirely the fault of the show's creators.
The alienating is not because of the woke agenda for the majority, it's because it's crap. Bad plot writing characters scoring direction.
You can't ignore the entire franchise and fan base was built on the first films and then the prequels, so just to try and adjust it's narrative and back story universe in such a crap way is where the anger comes from.
Just give us decent story we can be invested in...
E63eeeeee... said:
I don't think there's any "alleged" about it. There’s pretty plain racism and misogyny on display. Plenty of people weirdly attached to an OK-in-1977 universe with one woman and one black person and the rest are white dudes, aliens or robots, and unable to accept that's obviously nonsense and that the real world has moved on, and whose response is mostly or entirely moaning about the increase in female and non-white characters.
Surely it makes sense that minorities are represented as minorities? E63eeeeee... said:
I don't think there's any "alleged" about it. There’s pretty plain racism and misogyny on display. Plenty of people weirdly attached to an OK-in-1977 universe with one woman and one black person and the rest are white dudes, aliens or robots, and unable to accept that's obviously nonsense and that the real world has moved on,
Eh? Maybe the bubbles where the corporate entertainment elite live are "represented" by what they are putting on screen, but I don't think the RoW is as 'diverse' as is being presented (or you seem to think it is). There's a reason former former First Minster of Scotland Humza Yousef's famous 'white' speech was ridiculed and it wasn't because the people ridiculing it were 'ists and 'phobes It was because census details revealed that 90% of the Scottish population were white, so in fact the level of representation of ethnic minorities in positions of governance actually exceeded their representation in the populace!!E63eeeeee... said:
I don't even know what "rewrite Star Wars lore in her image" means,
Making out that she was the founder of Star Wars lore and that it was just the big-bad patriarchy holding back that fact from the world. She attempted it with the Raiders of the Lost Arc franchise too (being discussed in another thread) but overwhelmingly negative audience test scoring to her attempts to literally erase the Indian Jones character from canon and replace him with her self insert Helena Shaw character led to the entire third act of the last film being re-shot and re-edited.Mercury00 said:
E63eeeeee... said:
I don't think there's any "alleged" about it. There’s pretty plain racism and misogyny on display. Plenty of people weirdly attached to an OK-in-1977 universe with one woman and one black person and the rest are white dudes, aliens or robots, and unable to accept that's obviously nonsense and that the real world has moved on, and whose response is mostly or entirely moaning about the increase in female and non-white characters.
Surely it makes sense that minorities are represented as minorities? Evercross said:
E63eeeeee... said:
I don't even know what "rewrite Star Wars lore in her image" means,
Making out that she was the founder of Star Wars lore and that it was just the big-bad patriarchy holding back that fact from the world. She attempted it with the Raiders of the Lost Arc franchise too (being discussed in another thread) but overwhelmingly negative audience test scoring to her attempts to literally erase the Indian Jones character from canon and replace him with her self insert Helena Shaw character led to the entire third act of the last film being re-shot and re-edited.The only racism and misogyny, apart from the small amount that exists everywhere, is in the minds of its creators and defenders.
It's poorly written and acted, which can't be defended, so they're labeling the detractors as 'ists and 'phobes. If everyone involved were replaced with straight white people, it would still be rubbish.
The Jedi were all powerful, both feared and respected, here they're second rate clowns. They almost defeated the most powerful Sith, who had to be saved by Anakin. Here they're being thrown around with ease.
I'm also watching Evil, the 3 leads are a black man, an Asian man and a white woman. No accusations of racism or misogyny, it's very good. Compare its audience scores on IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes to the Acolyte, they're opposites.
It's poorly written and acted, which can't be defended, so they're labeling the detractors as 'ists and 'phobes. If everyone involved were replaced with straight white people, it would still be rubbish.
The Jedi were all powerful, both feared and respected, here they're second rate clowns. They almost defeated the most powerful Sith, who had to be saved by Anakin. Here they're being thrown around with ease.
I'm also watching Evil, the 3 leads are a black man, an Asian man and a white woman. No accusations of racism or misogyny, it's very good. Compare its audience scores on IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes to the Acolyte, they're opposites.
E63eeeeee... said:
Well, that's kind of vague and mostly irrelevant to Star Wars..
Only if you've not been paying attention to media reporting. BTW - the information regarding the re-shoot of the third act of Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny came from John Williams.E63eeeeee... said:
...but either way I honestly don't care.
Quite.E63eeeeee... said:
I don't think there's any "alleged" about it. There’s pretty plain racism and misogyny on display. Plenty of people weirdly attached to an OK-in-1977 universe with one woman and one black person and the rest are white dudes, aliens or robots
I don't think you understand Star Wars.The point is, there are people from all sorts of planets, races, colours, creeds and whatnot and they ALL band together against evil. It is literally about everyone being included no matter what FFS. They even speak their own languages and people understand them, including droids......
The evil people were - white males. The empire was pretty much a bunch of white blokes was it not? I mean I am sure some will claim Vader was black soo but he was also a white male...........
Is it racist to say Someone get this Walking carpet out of my way? Having a strong female take charge of her own rescue? Having a black man own Cloud CIty? Having a Squid as a General ?
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