Automotive Vloggers (Vol. 5)
Discussion
thegreenhell said:
The argument that he does a lot of laps therefore it's probable to have a lot of accidents is false. TF and trackdays aren't motorsport. If you drive your car every day in non-racing circumstances do you expect to have that many incidents and crashes? If you had that many incidents on the roads you'd have to stop and think about what you were doing, or they'd send you back to driving school. During TF the Ring is a public road, but he seems to treat it as some kind of race.
I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
And the idea that crashing is inevitable is a total fallacy. I competed every race and test day of 6 championships over 6 years and put it in the gravel twice (with no incident) did a few cycle wings on my Caterham in side to side contact which is completely par for the course (probably less than 15). And that wasn’t because I was knocking around at the back of the grid.I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
I’ve also driven in industry pool at the Ring for 12 years in varying cars (500hp SUVs, sports cars, underpowered compact SUVs, sports saloons) and have had one incident where I had to take to the grass. The guys doing the durability driving and do literally thousands of laps a year have maybe 1 incident a decade which is usually down to a significant mechanical failure and basically never related to their actual driving.
The normalisation of crashing is exactly the issue here. It’s not normal and shouldn’t be viewed as normal.
thegreenhell said:
The argument that he does a lot of laps therefore it's probable to have a lot of accidents is false. TF and trackdays aren't motorsport. If you drive your car every day in non-racing circumstances do you expect to have that many incidents and crashes? If you had that many incidents on the roads you'd have to stop and think about what you were doing, or they'd send you back to driving school. During TF the Ring is a public road, but he seems to treat it as some kind of race.
I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
They are motorsport by definition, anytime you go out on a racetrack of any sort all the way from your local go kart track or virgin experience day all the way to F1, you sign a disclaimer essentially confirming your understanding that motorsport is dangerous and accidents happen. I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
Comparing the Nurburgring to any public road is being disingenuous because I can't think of any other public roads that have marshalls posts and yellow flags to deal with incidents which are indeed common, hence the need for those in the first place
acer12 said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
acer12 said:
A few pages ago didnt a poster on here ask Matt Armstrong to PM them so they could have a "private chat" about a milkshake drink that Matt is sponsored by.
f
king hell really? 
"Mat - can you confirm if YFood actually tastes any good? I get that you probably can't be negative about it publicly so feel free to pm me if it's naff. I'm just curious, I've never had one of those types of shakes that didn't taste like chalk."
Downward said:
acer12 said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
acer12 said:
A few pages ago didnt a poster on here ask Matt Armstrong to PM them so they could have a "private chat" about a milkshake drink that Matt is sponsored by.
fking hell really? "Mat - can you confirm if YFood actually tastes any good? I get that you probably can't be negative about it publicly so feel free to pm me if it's naff. I'm just curious, I've never had one of those types of shakes that didn't taste like chalk."
RacerMike said:
Downward said:
acer12 said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
acer12 said:
A few pages ago didnt a poster on here ask Matt Armstrong to PM them so they could have a "private chat" about a milkshake drink that Matt is sponsored by.
fking hell really? "Mat - can you confirm if YFood actually tastes any good? I get that you probably can't be negative about it publicly so feel free to pm me if it's naff. I'm just curious, I've never had one of those types of shakes that didn't taste like chalk."
PinkHouse said:
thegreenhell said:
The argument that he does a lot of laps therefore it's probable to have a lot of accidents is false. TF and trackdays aren't motorsport. If you drive your car every day in non-racing circumstances do you expect to have that many incidents and crashes? If you had that many incidents on the roads you'd have to stop and think about what you were doing, or they'd send you back to driving school. During TF the Ring is a public road, but he seems to treat it as some kind of race.
I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
They are motorsport by definition, anytime you go out on a racetrack of any sort all the way from your local go kart track or virgin experience day all the way to F1, you sign a disclaimer essentially confirming your understanding that motorsport is dangerous and accidents happen. I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
Comparing the Nurburgring to any public road is being disingenuous because I can't think of any other public roads that have marshalls posts and yellow flags to deal with incidents which are indeed common, hence the need for those in the first place
thegreenhell said:
PinkHouse said:
thegreenhell said:
The argument that he does a lot of laps therefore it's probable to have a lot of accidents is false. TF and trackdays aren't motorsport. If you drive your car every day in non-racing circumstances do you expect to have that many incidents and crashes? If you had that many incidents on the roads you'd have to stop and think about what you were doing, or they'd send you back to driving school. During TF the Ring is a public road, but he seems to treat it as some kind of race.
I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
They are motorsport by definition, anytime you go out on a racetrack of any sort all the way from your local go kart track or virgin experience day all the way to F1, you sign a disclaimer essentially confirming your understanding that motorsport is dangerous and accidents happen. I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
Comparing the Nurburgring to any public road is being disingenuous because I can't think of any other public roads that have marshalls posts and yellow flags to deal with incidents which are indeed common, hence the need for those in the first place
It genuinely is one of those ‘tell me you don’t know how to drive without telling me you don’t know how to drive’ things.
RacerMike said:
thegreenhell said:
The argument that he does a lot of laps therefore it's probable to have a lot of accidents is false. TF and trackdays aren't motorsport. If you drive your car every day in non-racing circumstances do you expect to have that many incidents and crashes? If you had that many incidents on the roads you'd have to stop and think about what you were doing, or they'd send you back to driving school. During TF the Ring is a public road, but he seems to treat it as some kind of race.
I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
And the idea that crashing is inevitable is a total fallacy. I competed every race and test day of 6 championships over 6 years and put it in the gravel twice (with no incident) did a few cycle wings on my Caterham in side to side contact which is completely par for the course (probably less than 15). And that wasn’t because I was knocking around at the back of the grid.I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
I’ve also driven in industry pool at the Ring for 12 years in varying cars (500hp SUVs, sports cars, underpowered compact SUVs, sports saloons) and have had one incident where I had to take to the grass. The guys doing the durability driving and do literally thousands of laps a year have maybe 1 incident a decade which is usually down to a significant mechanical failure and basically never related to their actual driving.
The normalisation of crashing is exactly the issue here. It’s not normal and shouldn’t be viewed as normal.
thegreenhell said:
PinkHouse said:
thegreenhell said:
The argument that he does a lot of laps therefore it's probable to have a lot of accidents is false. TF and trackdays aren't motorsport. If you drive your car every day in non-racing circumstances do you expect to have that many incidents and crashes? If you had that many incidents on the roads you'd have to stop and think about what you were doing, or they'd send you back to driving school. During TF the Ring is a public road, but he seems to treat it as some kind of race.
I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
They are motorsport by definition, anytime you go out on a racetrack of any sort all the way from your local go kart track or virgin experience day all the way to F1, you sign a disclaimer essentially confirming your understanding that motorsport is dangerous and accidents happen. I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
Comparing the Nurburgring to any public road is being disingenuous because I can't think of any other public roads that have marshalls posts and yellow flags to deal with incidents which are indeed common, hence the need for those in the first place
RacerMike said:
thegreenhell said:
PinkHouse said:
thegreenhell said:
The argument that he does a lot of laps therefore it's probable to have a lot of accidents is false. TF and trackdays aren't motorsport. If you drive your car every day in non-racing circumstances do you expect to have that many incidents and crashes? If you had that many incidents on the roads you'd have to stop and think about what you were doing, or they'd send you back to driving school. During TF the Ring is a public road, but he seems to treat it as some kind of race.
I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
They are motorsport by definition, anytime you go out on a racetrack of any sort all the way from your local go kart track or virgin experience day all the way to F1, you sign a disclaimer essentially confirming your understanding that motorsport is dangerous and accidents happen. I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
Comparing the Nurburgring to any public road is being disingenuous because I can't think of any other public roads that have marshalls posts and yellow flags to deal with incidents which are indeed common, hence the need for those in the first place
It genuinely is one of those ‘tell me you don’t know how to drive without telling me you don’t know how to drive’ things.
Anyway Logan Sargeant caused over £4m of damage to his car last season at Williams through crashes, however since you've never crashed then I'm sure Williams would be dying for a CV like yours to replace him since you're seemingly more talented
Rusty Old-Banger said:
RacerMike said:
Downward said:
acer12 said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
acer12 said:
A few pages ago didnt a poster on here ask Matt Armstrong to PM them so they could have a "private chat" about a milkshake drink that Matt is sponsored by.
fking hell really? "Mat - can you confirm if YFood actually tastes any good? I get that you probably can't be negative about it publicly so feel free to pm me if it's naff. I'm just curious, I've never had one of those types of shakes that didn't taste like chalk."
PinkHouse said:
RacerMike said:
thegreenhell said:
PinkHouse said:
thegreenhell said:
The argument that he does a lot of laps therefore it's probable to have a lot of accidents is false. TF and trackdays aren't motorsport. If you drive your car every day in non-racing circumstances do you expect to have that many incidents and crashes? If you had that many incidents on the roads you'd have to stop and think about what you were doing, or they'd send you back to driving school. During TF the Ring is a public road, but he seems to treat it as some kind of race.
I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
They are motorsport by definition, anytime you go out on a racetrack of any sort all the way from your local go kart track or virgin experience day all the way to F1, you sign a disclaimer essentially confirming your understanding that motorsport is dangerous and accidents happen. I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
Comparing the Nurburgring to any public road is being disingenuous because I can't think of any other public roads that have marshalls posts and yellow flags to deal with incidents which are indeed common, hence the need for those in the first place
It genuinely is one of those ‘tell me you don’t know how to drive without telling me you don’t know how to drive’ things.
Anyway Logan Sargeant caused over £4m of damage to his car last season at Williams through crashes, however since you've never crashed then I'm sure Williams would be dying for a CV like yours to replace him since you're seemingly more talented
And enough with the targeted sarcasm. We’re not having a go at each other here, and the fact that Sergeant no long longer has a contract for next year would suggest they indeed think he crashes too much. I mean, sure other drivers crashed and span at Canada, but I think he managed it 3x before reversing it into the wall to finish it off once and for all? So does that not prove the point that the majority of drivers don’t frequently crash?
RacerMike said:
If you were crashing as frequently as Mischa then maybe! (jk). Single seater racing is a little more dicey than closed wheel, but I’d hope you weren’t average a crash 1:50 to 1:100 laps! If so then you had a much bigger budget than I ever did.
And enough with the targeted sarcasm. We’re not having a go at each other here, and the fact that Sergeant no long longer has a contract for next year would suggest they indeed think he crashes too much. I mean, sure other drivers crashed and span at Canada, but I think he managed it 3x before reversing it into the wall to finish it off once and for all? So does that not prove the point that the majority of drivers don’t frequently crash?
I was being tongue in cheek there so my apologies! I agree somewhat that's he's gone too far and Misha probably knows it himself and would hopefully reflect on what's gone wrong this time. What I don't agree with is those who essentially want him to lose his livelihood over this because he's a public figure they don't personally like And enough with the targeted sarcasm. We’re not having a go at each other here, and the fact that Sergeant no long longer has a contract for next year would suggest they indeed think he crashes too much. I mean, sure other drivers crashed and span at Canada, but I think he managed it 3x before reversing it into the wall to finish it off once and for all? So does that not prove the point that the majority of drivers don’t frequently crash?
Downward said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
RacerMike said:
Downward said:
acer12 said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
acer12 said:
A few pages ago didnt a poster on here ask Matt Armstrong to PM them so they could have a "private chat" about a milkshake drink that Matt is sponsored by.
fking hell really? "Mat - can you confirm if YFood actually tastes any good? I get that you probably can't be negative about it publicly so feel free to pm me if it's naff. I'm just curious, I've never had one of those types of shakes that didn't taste like chalk."
Tragic is a bit of a stretch, but I'll settle for "loser".
For context, I'm on site a lot and don't get chance to have lunch so those Yfoods appealed. I just wanted to know how s
te they tasted and even got a response so not that daft in my eyes. I've since tried one, it was st so I'll stick to starving myself. Back on topic: Mischa is entertaining to watch but I wouldn't want to come across him on track.
Dave200 said:
HorneyMX5 said:
The constant narrative of "If you're not falling off you're not trying hard enough." is a nightmare.
But the mouth-breathers who idolise the Ring absolutely lap it up.On a recent TVR trackday I ended up with a group of modified road cars and full on racers. There was a marked difference - the racers no stress to keep out of the way of and very predictable where they went past - didn't do anything daft (its just a track day), the road cars generally a liability with some guys pushing way too hard, not overtaking where safe and not very predictable. Just generally overexcited and forgetting the point.
crosseyedlion said:
Dave200 said:
HorneyMX5 said:
The constant narrative of "If you're not falling off you're not trying hard enough." is a nightmare.
But the mouth-breathers who idolise the Ring absolutely lap it up.I think I'll probably have to make do with my PSVR2 and GT7 setup for the 'ring!
UTH said:
crosseyedlion said:
Dave200 said:
HorneyMX5 said:
The constant narrative of "If you're not falling off you're not trying hard enough." is a nightmare.
But the mouth-breathers who idolise the Ring absolutely lap it up.I think I'll probably have to make do with my PSVR2 and GT7 setup for the 'ring!
Thing that most people see is the weekend/car freitag stuff and it seems like it’s like that all the time. I’ve stood and watched after industry pool in September and there’s been probably 100 cars on track total during TF, with most being locals in old Opels and VWs (sounds like a lot but honestly 100 cars is next to nothing…you’re standing with nobody coming past for a couple of minutes sometimes).
Alternatively do a track day there. Those are great (again if you pick the right part of the season) and you won’t get the people doing leisure drives so can have a bit more confidence there won’t be a guy in a B6 Passat with his kids in the back over the next blind corner doing 90kph.
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