Automotive Vloggers (Vol. 5)
Discussion
audi321 said:
For me it’s not just his driving, I just find him unlikeable as a presenter.
That's a perfectly valid criticism and opinion to hold, but just treat his driving separately and objectively. I'm not his biggest fan either but this smells like a big old fashioned witch-hunt PinkHouse said:
audi321 said:
For me it’s not just his driving, I just find him unlikeable as a presenter.
That's a perfectly valid criticism and opinion to hold, but just treat his driving separately and objectively. I'm not his biggest fan either but this smells like a big old fashioned witch-hunt How's that for a coincidence
Go on IG and someone I follow just posted a lap of him chasing Tony from Behind The Glass and recorded him having to take evasive action to avoid hitting a biker while trying to go round the outside in his GT3.
I'll note that Tony bigs himself up as a driver more than Misha ha!
Go on IG and someone I follow just posted a lap of him chasing Tony from Behind The Glass and recorded him having to take evasive action to avoid hitting a biker while trying to go round the outside in his GT3.
I'll note that Tony bigs himself up as a driver more than Misha ha!
Dave200 said:
I don't know who Tony is, or why he's relevant to the discussion about Misha. Unless you're posting evidence of other bad driving in a bid to highlight that "they are all at it"?
Tony from Gravelwood and half of the podcast with Seen Through Glass, very often discussed here so semi relevant. Funny coincidence is all.If the Nurburgring think Misha is a problem then they'll rescind his media license. As they haven't then they obviously don't think it's an issue.
Dave200 said:
I think the point is more that he's heralded as some kind of driving god by too many, when in reality his driving talent is good but limited (as evidenced by the sheer number of incidents) and is ultimately only intended to generate clicks and attention. It's just folk getting sucked in to the youtube culture of celebrity thing.
I have only watched a couple of Misha's videos after being made aware of him in Auto Alex video's. This thread has made me curious though, how many incidents has he had (excluding during races).Must admit I was a devout follower of Misha but in the last few months i've unfollowed him on all platforms due to the state of his driving and attitude. He takes far too many risks in the hope that the traffic will part like the red sea, when it goes wrong he's always quick to blame others. His followers hang on his every word and think they can rock up to the ring and be him, which ends in tears.
If you compare his driving to someone like Dale Lomas of BtG its night and day difference.
If you compare his driving to someone like Dale Lomas of BtG its night and day difference.
sandman77 said:
Dave200 said:
I think the point is more that he's heralded as some kind of driving god by too many, when in reality his driving talent is good but limited (as evidenced by the sheer number of incidents) and is ultimately only intended to generate clicks and attention. It's just folk getting sucked in to the youtube culture of celebrity thing.
I have only watched a couple of Misha's videos after being made aware of him in Auto Alex video's. This thread has made me curious though, how many incidents has he had (excluding during races).- E30 Turbo - Overheated the brakes and binned it Wehrseifen
- BMW 330 drove into another competitor in RCN (average time trial) spun into barrier Metzgesfeld
- MX5 - spun off into the barrier in the wet - pre Carrousel
- BMW 330 - pre season testing, side gone
- BMW 330 - first lap of quali, first VLN, wheel on the white line barrier flugplatz
- E92 M3 I think Metzgesfeld
- M4 ignored low tyre pressure warning and tyre loosing grip, found the barrier bruchen lI
- BMW 330 - turned straight across the front of a GT4 car that was alongside, Bruchen Il
- GR86 - in waaay too hot into
Bruchen 1, misses the apex, gets on the marbles, barrier
honda_exige said:
Dave200 said:
I don't know who Tony is, or why he's relevant to the discussion about Misha. Unless you're posting evidence of other bad driving in a bid to highlight that "they are all at it"?
Tony from Gravelwood and half of the podcast with Seen Through Glass, very often discussed here so semi relevant. Funny coincidence is all.If the Nurburgring think Misha is a problem then they'll rescind his media license. As they haven't then they obviously don't think it's an issue.
Had the Ring remained the sole preserve of the wealthy car bore, as it was 20 years ago, it would have never made anywhere near as much money as it has by broadening its appeal.
honda_exige said:
A lot on here pay for DannyDC2s Patreon? Your payments in part fund some of his on track crashes, is there a difference?
I'll snip just to put tuppence in what was an agreeable post. I think if Danny was stacking subscribers cars or driving with the same risk assessment around traffic with the same regularity as Mischa does then you'd see a similar erosion of good will.
If anybody likes barn finds or cars hidden away, Richard from Gas Monkey and Dennis Collins from Coffee Walk have both found great american cars recently in their high end buying trips.
Yes they are old hands at this; and it maybe as formulaic as any other YT channel, but the quality of filming is good and they try and get the stories with the cars.
Makes a change from some rusty BL Allegro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCwSX2AfVK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf3t1ob-Sj4
Yes they are old hands at this; and it maybe as formulaic as any other YT channel, but the quality of filming is good and they try and get the stories with the cars.
Makes a change from some rusty BL Allegro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCwSX2AfVK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf3t1ob-Sj4
RacerMike said:
sandman77 said:
Dave200 said:
I think the point is more that he's heralded as some kind of driving god by too many, when in reality his driving talent is good but limited (as evidenced by the sheer number of incidents) and is ultimately only intended to generate clicks and attention. It's just folk getting sucked in to the youtube culture of celebrity thing.
I have only watched a couple of Misha's videos after being made aware of him in Auto Alex video's. This thread has made me curious though, how many incidents has he had (excluding during races).- E30 Turbo - Overheated the brakes and binned it Wehrseifen
- BMW 330 drove into another competitor in RCN (average time trial) spun into barrier Metzgesfeld
- MX5 - spun off into the barrier in the wet - pre Carrousel
- BMW 330 - pre season testing, side gone
- BMW 330 - first lap of quali, first VLN, wheel on the white line barrier flugplatz
- E92 M3 I think Metzgesfeld
- M4 ignored low tyre pressure warning and tyre loosing grip, found the barrier bruchen lI
- BMW 330 - turned straight across the front of a GT4 car that was alongside, Bruchen Il
- GR86 - in waaay too hot into
Bruchen 1, misses the apex, gets on the marbles, barrier
ribiero said:
honda_exige said:
A lot on here pay for DannyDC2s Patreon? Your payments in part fund some of his on track crashes, is there a difference?
I'll snip just to put tuppence in what was an agreeable post. I think if Danny was stacking subscribers cars or driving with the same risk assessment around traffic with the same regularity as Mischa does then you'd see a similar erosion of good will.
I think one accident per 500 TF laps while pushing on isn't overly excessive in my opinion, yours may differ and that's fine. I think Nurburgring GmbH said once the overall average for TF is 1 in 400 or so, don't ask me for a source
If you want 'safe' TF laps people are free to watch the ones that Shmee posts - they are about as exciting as watching paint dry though, actually maybe less.
PinkHouse said:
RacerMike said:
sandman77 said:
Dave200 said:
I think the point is more that he's heralded as some kind of driving god by too many, when in reality his driving talent is good but limited (as evidenced by the sheer number of incidents) and is ultimately only intended to generate clicks and attention. It's just folk getting sucked in to the youtube culture of celebrity thing.
I have only watched a couple of Misha's videos after being made aware of him in Auto Alex video's. This thread has made me curious though, how many incidents has he had (excluding during races).- E30 Turbo - Overheated the brakes and binned it Wehrseifen
- BMW 330 drove into another competitor in RCN (average time trial) spun into barrier Metzgesfeld
- MX5 - spun off into the barrier in the wet - pre Carrousel
- BMW 330 - pre season testing, side gone
- BMW 330 - first lap of quali, first VLN, wheel on the white line barrier flugplatz
- E92 M3 I think Metzgesfeld
- M4 ignored low tyre pressure warning and tyre loosing grip, found the barrier bruchen lI
- BMW 330 - turned straight across the front of a GT4 car that was alongside, Bruchen Il
- GR86 - in waaay too hot into
Bruchen 1, misses the apex, gets on the marbles, barrier
The argument that he does a lot of laps therefore it's probable to have a lot of accidents is false. TF and trackdays aren't motorsport. If you drive your car every day in non-racing circumstances do you expect to have that many incidents and crashes? If you had that many incidents on the roads you'd have to stop and think about what you were doing, or they'd send you back to driving school. During TF the Ring is a public road, but he seems to treat it as some kind of race.
I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
thegreenhell said:
The argument that he does a lot of laps therefore it's probable to have a lot of accidents is false. TF and trackdays aren't motorsport. If you drive your car every day in non-racing circumstances do you expect to have that many incidents and crashes? If you had that many incidents on the roads you'd have to stop and think about what you were doing, or they'd send you back to driving school. During TF the Ring is a public road, but he seems to treat it as some kind of race.
I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
And the idea that crashing is inevitable is a total fallacy. I competed every race and test day of 6 championships over 6 years and put it in the gravel twice (with no incident) did a few cycle wings on my Caterham in side to side contact which is completely par for the course (probably less than 15). And that wasn’t because I was knocking around at the back of the grid.I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
I’ve also driven in industry pool at the Ring for 12 years in varying cars (500hp SUVs, sports cars, underpowered compact SUVs, sports saloons) and have had one incident where I had to take to the grass. The guys doing the durability driving and do literally thousands of laps a year have maybe 1 incident a decade which is usually down to a significant mechanical failure and basically never related to their actual driving.
The normalisation of crashing is exactly the issue here. It’s not normal and shouldn’t be viewed as normal.
thegreenhell said:
The argument that he does a lot of laps therefore it's probable to have a lot of accidents is false. TF and trackdays aren't motorsport. If you drive your car every day in non-racing circumstances do you expect to have that many incidents and crashes? If you had that many incidents on the roads you'd have to stop and think about what you were doing, or they'd send you back to driving school. During TF the Ring is a public road, but he seems to treat it as some kind of race.
I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
They are motorsport by definition, anytime you go out on a racetrack of any sort all the way from your local go kart track or virgin experience day all the way to F1, you sign a disclaimer essentially confirming your understanding that motorsport is dangerous and accidents happen. I know he's not the only one who drives too hard on the track, but he's the only one who does it on video every single day, so he's going to attract a lot of negative attention when it goes wrong.
Comparing the Nurburgring to any public road is being disingenuous because I can't think of any other public roads that have marshalls posts and yellow flags to deal with incidents which are indeed common, hence the need for those in the first place
acer12 said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
acer12 said:
A few pages ago didnt a poster on here ask Matt Armstrong to PM them so they could have a "private chat" about a milkshake drink that Matt is sponsored by.
f
king hell really? 
"Mat - can you confirm if YFood actually tastes any good? I get that you probably can't be negative about it publicly so feel free to pm me if it's naff. I'm just curious, I've never had one of those types of shakes that didn't taste like chalk."
Downward said:
acer12 said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
acer12 said:
A few pages ago didnt a poster on here ask Matt Armstrong to PM them so they could have a "private chat" about a milkshake drink that Matt is sponsored by.
fking hell really? "Mat - can you confirm if YFood actually tastes any good? I get that you probably can't be negative about it publicly so feel free to pm me if it's naff. I'm just curious, I've never had one of those types of shakes that didn't taste like chalk."
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