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LeighW said:
Boleros said:
pingu393 said:
Without checking, I'm pretty sure that apostrophes are acceptable in numbers and abbreviations when pluralising.
Lest this turn into an adenoidal thread, I don’t thinkp so. I see this a lot and I’m genuinely curious as to why people do it. The plural of the 1980s is 1980s or 80s. Not 80’s. Some will argue that an apostrophe should go before the eight. But further on, ‘cars’ is written correctly. The plural of car is cars. Add an S to a word to make it more than one, simples. Parrot ready for take off
pingu393 said:
Boleros said:
NordicCrankShaft said:
You go back to the 80's, 90's and early 2000's, at what point are his cars now just cut and shuts?
At which point did you decide to stop using apostrophes? Genuine question.Muzzer79 said:
NordicCrankShaft said:
You go back to the 80's, 90's and early 2000's, at what point are his cars now just cut and shuts?
At the point where he doesn't repair them to the same standard as factory.The Lamborghini is repaired to the same standard as factory (better, in respect of some of the welding.....)
Edit - you also need to realise what a cut and shut was (is)
Cut and shutters would literally take two halves of cars and weld them together across the roof or other such structural weakpoint, with a mig-welder.
The weld was then smoothed out, filled and the car painted. There's no consideration for structural integrity, nor alignment - hence why, in an accident, the two halves would simply break apart.
What is shown on these videos is very different.
Edited by Muzzer79 on Tuesday 25th June 10:33
Risonax said:
Muzzer79 said:
NordicCrankShaft said:
You go back to the 80's, 90's and early 2000's, at what point are his cars now just cut and shuts?
At the point where he doesn't repair them to the same standard as factory.The Lamborghini is repaired to the same standard as factory (better, in respect of some of the welding.....)
Edit - you also need to realise what a cut and shut was (is)
Cut and shutters would literally take two halves of cars and weld them together across the roof or other such structural weakpoint, with a mig-welder.
The weld was then smoothed out, filled and the car painted. There's no consideration for structural integrity, nor alignment - hence why, in an accident, the two halves would simply break apart.
What is shown on these videos is very different.
Edited by Muzzer79 on Tuesday 25th June 10:33
A chassis is a chassis. One taken from a used Gallardo is no different to the used chassis he already had.
Muzzer79 said:
Risonax said:
Muzzer79 said:
NordicCrankShaft said:
You go back to the 80's, 90's and early 2000's, at what point are his cars now just cut and shuts?
At the point where he doesn't repair them to the same standard as factory.The Lamborghini is repaired to the same standard as factory (better, in respect of some of the welding.....)
Edit - you also need to realise what a cut and shut was (is)
Cut and shutters would literally take two halves of cars and weld them together across the roof or other such structural weakpoint, with a mig-welder.
The weld was then smoothed out, filled and the car painted. There's no consideration for structural integrity, nor alignment - hence why, in an accident, the two halves would simply break apart.
What is shown on these videos is very different.
Edited by Muzzer79 on Tuesday 25th June 10:33
A chassis is a chassis. One taken from a used Gallardo is no different to the used chassis he already had.
In the video they went on about one factory weld a spatter. But I don't know how the factory checks its welds. Do you?
Apparently, according to the video a chassis is not a chassis, now it has to be a "frame".
In a broader sense, some reclaimed parts may have hidden defects. I wouldn't use NB MX5 wishbones from Scotland, because they wil be rotten, for instance. Or ones that were previously fitted with cheap bushes (wishbone failure due to sticking bushes).
Logically, if there was nothing wrong with the donor chassis, why chop it up? Its because the VIN. And not such an entertaining video.
If they didn't cut the parts at the point where the factory welded, then a part that before was one part with two welds at either end is now 2 parts with 3 new welds. And my understanding is for this kind of welding, contamination is a significant issue
It isn't true to say the car is being repaired to factory standard.
If you look at the video at eight and a bit minutes, you can see them cut through various chassis sections some of which look like box section, but where you can see others are extrusions with internal strengthening sections which join the outer walls to each other.
When they weld the sections cut from the donor chassis to what is left of Mat's chassis they are welding the external walls together, but not joining the internal strengtheners which run along the length of each chassis member which means there is an obvious weak point.
I know he loves the car, but I don't think it's possible to repair a chassis like this properly.
I've attempted to add pictures to show what I'm on about.
https://imgur.com/kFKFW1r
https://imgur.com/PJF6gJK
If you look at the video at eight and a bit minutes, you can see them cut through various chassis sections some of which look like box section, but where you can see others are extrusions with internal strengthening sections which join the outer walls to each other.
When they weld the sections cut from the donor chassis to what is left of Mat's chassis they are welding the external walls together, but not joining the internal strengtheners which run along the length of each chassis member which means there is an obvious weak point.
I know he loves the car, but I don't think it's possible to repair a chassis like this properly.
I've attempted to add pictures to show what I'm on about.
https://imgur.com/kFKFW1r
https://imgur.com/PJF6gJK
Steve126 said:
It isn't true to say the car is being repaired to factory standard.
If you look at the video at eight and a bit minutes, you can see them cut through various chassis sections some of which look like box section, but where you can see others are extrusions with internal strengthening sections which join the outer walls to each other.
When they weld the sections cut from the donor chassis to what is left of Mat's chassis they are welding the external walls together, but not joining the internal strengtheners which run along the length of each chassis member which means there is an obvious weak point.
I know he loves the car, but I don't think it's possible to repair a chassis like this properly.
I've attempted to add pictures to show what I'm on about.
https://imgur.com/kFKFW1r
https://imgur.com/PJF6gJK
Agreed, I noted this point too. Cutting through the middle of an extruded section and only being able to re-weld the external skin back together isn't going to be a perfect factory repair, the only way to do that would be to cut the section back to the next factory joint.If you look at the video at eight and a bit minutes, you can see them cut through various chassis sections some of which look like box section, but where you can see others are extrusions with internal strengthening sections which join the outer walls to each other.
When they weld the sections cut from the donor chassis to what is left of Mat's chassis they are welding the external walls together, but not joining the internal strengtheners which run along the length of each chassis member which means there is an obvious weak point.
I know he loves the car, but I don't think it's possible to repair a chassis like this properly.
I've attempted to add pictures to show what I'm on about.
https://imgur.com/kFKFW1r
https://imgur.com/PJF6gJK
Steve126 said:
It isn't true to say the car is being repaired to factory standard.
If you look at the video at eight and a bit minutes, you can see them cut through various chassis sections some of which look like box section, but where you can see others are extrusions with internal strengthening sections which join the outer walls to each other.
When they weld the sections cut from the donor chassis to what is left of Mat's chassis they are welding the external walls together, but not joining the internal strengtheners which run along the length of each chassis member which means there is an obvious weak point.
I know he loves the car, but I don't think it's possible to repair a chassis like this properly.
I've attempted to add pictures to show what I'm on about.
https://imgur.com/kFKFW1r
https://imgur.com/PJF6gJK
It did seem a strange way to repair it, I did think that it would have been better to replace the sections as per how they are assembled when new or even use new sections, as you said yes the outside is welded but what about internally.If you look at the video at eight and a bit minutes, you can see them cut through various chassis sections some of which look like box section, but where you can see others are extrusions with internal strengthening sections which join the outer walls to each other.
When they weld the sections cut from the donor chassis to what is left of Mat's chassis they are welding the external walls together, but not joining the internal strengtheners which run along the length of each chassis member which means there is an obvious weak point.
I know he loves the car, but I don't think it's possible to repair a chassis like this properly.
I've attempted to add pictures to show what I'm on about.
https://imgur.com/kFKFW1r
https://imgur.com/PJF6gJK
Risonax said:
Muzzer79 said:
Risonax said:
Muzzer79 said:
NordicCrankShaft said:
You go back to the 80's, 90's and early 2000's, at what point are his cars now just cut and shuts?
At the point where he doesn't repair them to the same standard as factory.The Lamborghini is repaired to the same standard as factory (better, in respect of some of the welding.....)
Edit - you also need to realise what a cut and shut was (is)
Cut and shutters would literally take two halves of cars and weld them together across the roof or other such structural weakpoint, with a mig-welder.
The weld was then smoothed out, filled and the car painted. There's no consideration for structural integrity, nor alignment - hence why, in an accident, the two halves would simply break apart.
What is shown on these videos is very different.
Edited by Muzzer79 on Tuesday 25th June 10:33
A chassis is a chassis. One taken from a used Gallardo is no different to the used chassis he already had.
In the video they went on about one factory weld a spatter. But I don't know how the factory checks its welds. Do you?
Apparently, according to the video a chassis is not a chassis, now it has to be a "frame".
In a broader sense, some reclaimed parts may have hidden defects. I wouldn't use NB MX5 wishbones from Scotland, because they wil be rotten, for instance. Or ones that were previously fitted with cheap bushes (wishbone failure due to sticking bushes).
Logically, if there was nothing wrong with the donor chassis, why chop it up? Its because the VIN. And not such an entertaining video.
If they didn't cut the parts at the point where the factory welded, then a part that before was one part with two welds at either end is now 2 parts with 3 new welds. And my understanding is for this kind of welding, contamination is a significant issue
John87 said:
How has Mat got enough hours in the day to be creating content for his own two channels plus international versions, actually sourcing cars and parts then fixing them, going on road trips and collaborating with half of automotive YouTube?
The guy must be exhausted!
Also seen a collaboration pop up with a home improvement channel fitting a new balustrade to the balcony of his house so he's absolutely everywhere
I think the other Matt (Camera guy) also does a lot of the business / back end work. Sorting out the brand deals and other collabs. The guy must be exhausted!
Also seen a collaboration pop up with a home improvement channel fitting a new balustrade to the balcony of his house so he's absolutely everywhere
Re: the balcony one.. I imagine that cost Mat about 30 minutes of time but got a free (probably) balustrade and a bunch more exposure to his channel. The balcony company likely wrote off the install as marketing spend and also got a ton of exposure.
Re: International, I think almost all of that is automated. I am pretty sure Youtube (Or a third party) company can take audio transcripts and auto dub them. It's not like he has to send them off to someone in spain to do proper old school voice overs. It effectively free money on top of the effort already gone into the first video.
Finally I also think that there is a lot of down time (Not only in Mat's but also other repairer videos). Hence you see so many projects announced all the time. Many make videos in near real time (Record then release a few days later) all it takes is for a parts delay or supplier (Paint shop) to take their time and your video schedule is shot. Hence new projects arriving all the time to fill the gaps. Having 3/4/5 projects on the go at any one time is the only way to make sure you can post regular videos.
Luke. said:
pingu393 said:
Boleros said:
NordicCrankShaft said:
You go back to the 80's, 90's and early 2000's, at what point are his cars now just cut and shuts?
At which point did you decide to stop using apostrophes? Genuine question.80's looks better than 80s to my eyes regardless of which is correct so I'll probably just keep using the incorrect version knowing it'll make the grammar Nazis twitch.
InformationSuperHighway said:
I think the other Matt (Camera guy) also does a lot of the business / back end work. Sorting out the brand deals and other collabs.
Re: the balcony one.. I imagine that cost Mat about 30 minutes of time but got a free (probably) balustrade and a bunch more exposure to his channel. The balcony company likely wrote off the install as marketing spend and also got a ton of exposure.
Re: International, I think almost all of that is automated. I am pretty sure Youtube (Or a third party) company can take audio transcripts and auto dub them. It's not like he has to send them off to someone in spain to do proper old school voice overs. It effectively free money on top of the effort already gone into the first video.
Finally I also think that there is a lot of down time (Not only in Mat's but also other repairer videos). Hence you see so many projects announced all the time. Many make videos in near real time (Record then release a few days later) all it takes is for a parts delay or supplier (Paint shop) to take their time and your video schedule is shot. Hence new projects arriving all the time to fill the gaps. Having 3/4/5 projects on the go at any one time is the only way to make sure you can post regular videos.
Someone who did some work for Matt Carriker (DemoRanch/OfftheRanch) said his sponsorship was $50k a video. That was anout 5 years ago too. They're probably in the same ballpark although maybe a UK Youtuber doesn't have the value a US based one has I don't know. Re: the balcony one.. I imagine that cost Mat about 30 minutes of time but got a free (probably) balustrade and a bunch more exposure to his channel. The balcony company likely wrote off the install as marketing spend and also got a ton of exposure.
Re: International, I think almost all of that is automated. I am pretty sure Youtube (Or a third party) company can take audio transcripts and auto dub them. It's not like he has to send them off to someone in spain to do proper old school voice overs. It effectively free money on top of the effort already gone into the first video.
Finally I also think that there is a lot of down time (Not only in Mat's but also other repairer videos). Hence you see so many projects announced all the time. Many make videos in near real time (Record then release a few days later) all it takes is for a parts delay or supplier (Paint shop) to take their time and your video schedule is shot. Hence new projects arriving all the time to fill the gaps. Having 3/4/5 projects on the go at any one time is the only way to make sure you can post regular videos.
Dread to think how much money you need to show Mr Beast before you got your product in one of his videos.
The guys from the machine shop are old school no H&S hard as nails blokes pah no to masks & fume extraction etc etc!
The pony tail guy was a highly skilled chassis welder on Nortons motorcycles & custom motorcycle fabricator for years, no doubt he has skills way way beyond the monkey that originally welded the Lambo chassis together, as standard it looked absolutely s
te like bird ste in many places although its a fair shout that the internal Webbs can't be welded up so to me they should have been internally sleeved or plated over the top to recover lost strength.... Guess Matt makes the call on things like that...
The pony tail guy was a highly skilled chassis welder on Nortons motorcycles & custom motorcycle fabricator for years, no doubt he has skills way way beyond the monkey that originally welded the Lambo chassis together, as standard it looked absolutely s
te like bird ste in many places although its a fair shout that the internal Webbs can't be welded up so to me they should have been internally sleeved or plated over the top to recover lost strength.... Guess Matt makes the call on things like that...ChocolateFrog said:
InformationSuperHighway said:
I think the other Matt (Camera guy) also does a lot of the business / back end work. Sorting out the brand deals and other collabs.
Re: the balcony one.. I imagine that cost Mat about 30 minutes of time but got a free (probably) balustrade and a bunch more exposure to his channel. The balcony company likely wrote off the install as marketing spend and also got a ton of exposure.
Re: International, I think almost all of that is automated. I am pretty sure Youtube (Or a third party) company can take audio transcripts and auto dub them. It's not like he has to send them off to someone in spain to do proper old school voice overs. It effectively free money on top of the effort already gone into the first video.
Finally I also think that there is a lot of down time (Not only in Mat's but also other repairer videos). Hence you see so many projects announced all the time. Many make videos in near real time (Record then release a few days later) all it takes is for a parts delay or supplier (Paint shop) to take their time and your video schedule is shot. Hence new projects arriving all the time to fill the gaps. Having 3/4/5 projects on the go at any one time is the only way to make sure you can post regular videos.
Someone who did some work for Matt Carriker (DemoRanch/OfftheRanch) said his sponsorship was $50k a video. That was anout 5 years ago too. They're probably in the same ballpark although maybe a UK Youtuber doesn't have the value a US based one has I don't know. Re: the balcony one.. I imagine that cost Mat about 30 minutes of time but got a free (probably) balustrade and a bunch more exposure to his channel. The balcony company likely wrote off the install as marketing spend and also got a ton of exposure.
Re: International, I think almost all of that is automated. I am pretty sure Youtube (Or a third party) company can take audio transcripts and auto dub them. It's not like he has to send them off to someone in spain to do proper old school voice overs. It effectively free money on top of the effort already gone into the first video.
Finally I also think that there is a lot of down time (Not only in Mat's but also other repairer videos). Hence you see so many projects announced all the time. Many make videos in near real time (Record then release a few days later) all it takes is for a parts delay or supplier (Paint shop) to take their time and your video schedule is shot. Hence new projects arriving all the time to fill the gaps. Having 3/4/5 projects on the go at any one time is the only way to make sure you can post regular videos.
Dread to think how much money you need to show Mr Beast before you got your product in one of his videos.
https://observer.com/2023/02/mrbeasts-sponsors-can...
Cut N shuts welded together structural elements which were originally intended to be one piece.
I'm happy to criticise Matt's practices where they're not the best but with over 40 years of body repair knowledge, I didn't spot anything in the Lamborghini video which would be considered poor practice other than the numerous H&S risks you'd expect to see from a few young lads messing about with cars in a lock up unit.
The welding looked pretty, I've no idea how good it was but it certainly looked prettier than some of the OEM stuff but whenever I've seen Lamborghini's in pieces, they've often looked like hastily thrown together kit cars and I apologise in advance as some kit cars are put together to a much better standard than that.
I'm happy to criticise Matt's practices where they're not the best but with over 40 years of body repair knowledge, I didn't spot anything in the Lamborghini video which would be considered poor practice other than the numerous H&S risks you'd expect to see from a few young lads messing about with cars in a lock up unit.
The welding looked pretty, I've no idea how good it was but it certainly looked prettier than some of the OEM stuff but whenever I've seen Lamborghini's in pieces, they've often looked like hastily thrown together kit cars and I apologise in advance as some kit cars are put together to a much better standard than that.
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