Star Wars: The Acolyte

[SlimJim16v]

Blib said:

To be fair, the series only cost $190 million to make.

To be fair, other than episode 3, I'd give it a generous 5/10. It's nowhere near as bad as ST: Discovery, which I gave up on at the beginning of series 3.

[Bullett]

SlimJim16v said:

WOMAN FFS
Yes, I now think it's one of the mums, so the black one as aliens aren't diverse enough.

Typo, sorry.

[ThomW]

The big baddie appearing at the end was quite good though. Proper spooky bugger.

[Radec]

ThomW said:

The big baddie appearing at the end was quite good though. Proper spooky bugger.

Laugh it it turns out to be Mae's mate Qimir.
Whoever it was, they did look really OP.

[Bullett]

That was, ok, good ending but the whole episode was strung out with not much happening.

Went a bit Discovery in places - "lets talk about our emotions"

[Evercross]

So, pronouns are now an issue in A Galaxy Far Far Away....!

Interesting that the writers tackled it in the same way that Doctor Who did, with the potential for mis-gendering being linked to an unusual looking alien creature.

Not quite on-message that gender should not be judged by appearance. How ironic!

[Bullett]

I just need to add, it looked awful in places, like 70's Dr Who set awful.

[Evercross]

Bullett said:

I just need to add, it looked awful in places, like 70's Dr Who set awful.

I go back to the question - how did Lucasfilm bin $180,000,000 on this? That's TWICE the budget of Kenobi despite the cast list of the Acolyte being almost exclusively unknowns (apart from Carrie-Anne Moss and the Squid Game guy).

Kenobi had Ewan MacGregor, Jimmy Smits, Hayden Christensen AND James Earl Jones on the payroll fergawdsakes!!!

[ThomW]

Evercross said:

I go back to the question - how did Lucasfilm bin $180,000,000 on this? That's TWICE the budget of Kenobi despite the cast list of the Acolyte being almost exclusively unknowns (apart from Carrie-Anne Moss and the Squid Game guy).

Kenobi had Ewan MacGregor, Jimmy Smits, Hayden Christensen AND James Earl Jones on the payroll fergawdsakes!!!

Acolyte has a lot more physical sets than Kenobi, which was mostly CGI backgrounds.

[ChocolateFrog]

I'm surprised so many people watched it expecting it to be any good.

Is Kathleen Kennedy still running things over at Disney?

The reason Trey Parker and Matt Stone nailed the way Disney is going and made it hilarious because its essentially 100% true.

I haven't watched it because I knew it would be garbage and I'm definitely not the eyeballs they want to capture anyway.

The only real question I have is how do they make money out it? Someone suggested it cost $45m per hour to make, no idea if that's true or if it includes promo, of which there seems to be a lot.

Who's buying a subscription to Disney just for they ste? Oe is there other lucrative revenue streams from churning this mush out.

[Evercross]

ThomW said:

Evercross said:

I go back to the question - how did Lucasfilm bin $180,000,000 on this? That's TWICE the budget of Kenobi despite the cast list of the Acolyte being almost exclusively unknowns (apart from Carrie-Anne Moss and the Squid Game guy).

Kenobi had Ewan MacGregor, Jimmy Smits, Hayden Christensen AND James Earl Jones on the payroll fergawdsakes!!!

Acolyte has a lot more physical sets than Kenobi, which was mostly CGI backgrounds.

That might explain the cost, but if it looks garbage in comparison then is it a good creative decision regardless?

Leslye Headland has zero previous experience in making anything that barely resembles the genre being presented. The adage goes that the money should appear on screen, so maybe in an ironic way it absolutely showcases her ineptitude?

[JagLover]

ThomW said:

Evercross said:

I go back to the question - how did Lucasfilm bin $180,000,000 on this? That's TWICE the budget of Kenobi despite the cast list of the Acolyte being almost exclusively unknowns (apart from Carrie-Anne Moss and the Squid Game guy).

Kenobi had Ewan MacGregor, Jimmy Smits, Hayden Christensen AND James Earl Jones on the payroll fergawdsakes!!!

Acolyte has a lot more physical sets than Kenobi, which was mostly CGI backgrounds.

That may be the case, but this is close to "The Pacific" money and much more than "Game of Thrones" money which both had scenes that were akin to big budget war or fantasy movies.

Now there has been some inflation in the meantime but you can definitely see the money on screen in the above.

[Blib]

Maybe they spent it on the writers?

[Steve vRS]

Blib said:

Maybe they spent it on the writers?

In the same way the Russian military budget is spent on the soldiers….

[Evercross]

ChocolateFrog said:

I'm surprised so many people watched it expecting it to be any good.

I liken it to rubberneckers at a car-crash site.

It is a brilliant case-study though. Billions being spent to coerce an audience into a way of thinking, including marketing strategies aimed at othering people who do not agree with that way of thinking (by stating that the entertainment level is terrible rather than the messaging).

Truly bizarre.

We are supposed to believe that it is good because it is 'worthy', as if being worthy should put it beyond criticism despite it being mediocre to bad as a piece of entertainment.

So the question has to be is it entertainment or propaganda?

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 20th June 12:07

[rider73]

Evercross said:

ChocolateFrog said:

I'm surprised so many people watched it expecting it to be any good.

I liken it to rubberneckers at a car-crash site.

It is a brilliant case-study though. Billions being spent to coerce an audience into a way of thinking, including marketing strategies aimed at othering people who do not agree with that way of thinking (by stating that the entertainment level is terrible rather than the messaging).

Truly bizarre.

We are supposed to believe that it is good because it is 'worthy', as if being worthy should put it beyond criticism despite it being mediocre to bad as a piece of entertainment.

So the question has to be is it entertainment or propaganda?

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 20th June 12:07

so....if i read you correctly your stereotyping people who dont like the show because of the crap acting / plot / pacing / writing to actually being phobic of the "message" of the show instead?

[Evercross]

rider73 said:

so....if i read you correctly your stereotyping people who dont like the show because of the crap acting / plot / pacing / writing to actually being phobic of the "message" of the show instead?

Nope. That is what Disney-Lucasfilm and a bunch of sympathetic media outlets scared to lose access have been doing.

Kathleen Kennedy running interference in advance of The Acolyte being aired.

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 20th June 12:43

[JagLover]

Evercross said:

rider73 said:

so....if i read you correctly your stereotyping people who dont like the show because of the crap acting / plot / pacing / writing to actually being phobic of the "message" of the show instead?

Nope. That is what Disney-Lucasfilm and a bunch of sympathetic media outlets scared to lose access have been doing.

I remember a time when all we had to moan about was Jar Jar Binks.

Less chance of being called "Jar Jar phobic" back then as well.

[NickZ24]

The force somehow lost its power, when compared to earlier Force yielder it looks weaker.

[Beati Dogu]

Disney’s Willow TV series cost about $160 million and did so badly they cancelled season 2, completely pulled it from streaming and used it as a tax write off.

I can’t help thinking that The Acolyte is heading the same way.