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daqinggregg said:
Hang on a minute, you’re beginning to sound like the host of a BBC cooking program “If you are brave enough to cook egg fried rice.”
Mat is buying a car and fixing it; not going to some far flung cesspit to participate in some freedom fighting.
For the record, I really enjoy Mat’s videos.
I dunno, half those cars are "brave pills" without the smashes. Mat is buying a car and fixing it; not going to some far flung cesspit to participate in some freedom fighting.
For the record, I really enjoy Mat’s videos.
daqinggregg said:
Killboy said:
You don't.
I love your videos and what you do. It's refreshing to watch content done with such enthusiasm and bravery and it looks like you've got some awesome people around you. Good luck with all the projects!
Hang on a minute, you’re beginning to sound like the host of a BBC cooking program “If you are brave enough to cook egg fried rice.”I love your videos and what you do. It's refreshing to watch content done with such enthusiasm and bravery and it looks like you've got some awesome people around you. Good luck with all the projects!
Mat is buying a car and fixing it; not going to some far flung cesspit to participate in some freedom fighting.
For the record, I really enjoy Mat’s videos.
And then to keep doubling down on that gamble. How much did he pump into buying the Mansory RR with no guaranteed return?
Smollet said:
I was glad I found this thread as I’d just found his channel. Now I’m not so sure. If those criticising his raffle and think it’s legally wrong then report it to the proper authorities.
Every time Mat holds a raffle you get the same muppets complaining, no time to post entries, he is promoting gambling, he hasn’t said how many tickets sold etc. Edited by Smollet on Sunday 9th June 13:08
He is obviously well informed on the T’s and C’a of doing it so is doing it all by the book.
Promised Land said:
Every time Mat holds a raffle you get the same muppets complaining, no time to post entries, he is promoting gambling, he hasn’t said how many tickets sold etc.
He is obviously well informed on the T’s and C’a of doing it so is doing it all by the book.
Exactly. Yet some kid in his mums basement thinks he knows better He is obviously well informed on the T’s and C’a of doing it so is doing it all by the book.
BandOfBrothers said:
Smollet said:
I was glad I found this thread as I’d just found his channel. Now I’m not so sure. If those criticising his raffle and think it’s legally wrong then report it to the proper authorities.
Again, so no criticism allowed unless you go legal?Edited by Smollet on Sunday 9th June 13:08
And people say I'm repeating myself!
Just another way of saying: "No criticism allowed in this discussion thread".
ts about the opinions of posters on this thread?Smollet said:
You’re just repeating yourself with absolutely no proof other than opinion. We all have them
And so will Mat and his advisers. I'm just merely pointing out that if you're a newly famous and wealthy celebrity, I'd be extremely careful about whose opinions you trust, especially if you're paying for them, no matter how slick or confident your advisers might be.And if you think my opinion is worthless, ask Jimmy Carr or Gary Barlow about theirs.
jasonrobertson86 said:
Promised Land said:
Every time Mat holds a raffle you get the same muppets complaining, no time to post entries, he is promoting gambling, he hasn’t said how many tickets sold etc.
He is obviously well informed on the T’s and C’a of doing it so is doing it all by the book.
Exactly. Yet some kid in his mums basement thinks he knows better He is obviously well informed on the T’s and C’a of doing it so is doing it all by the book.
Or are you just out of ideas and so have resorted to throwing personal insults instead?
As we're talking about gambling, I know which one my money is on...
Promised Land said:
Smollet said:
I was glad I found this thread as I’d just found his channel. Now I’m not so sure. If those criticising his raffle and think it’s legally wrong then report it to the proper authorities.
Every time Mat holds a raffle you get the same muppets complaining, no time to post entries, he is promoting gambling, he hasn’t said how many tickets sold etc. Edited by Smollet on Sunday 9th June 13:08
He is obviously well informed on the T’s and C’a of doing it so is doing it all by the book.
Plenty of other lottery organisers break exactly the same rules, some much bigger than Mat's channel. So it would seem their advice is wrong too.
Now thats not an issue until that advice is challenged in court and found to be incorrect.
And I've pointed out exact parallels with this and other newly wealthy celebrities and the advice they received, which was great, until HMRC decided to investigate and concluded it broke the rules.
So yes, I'm repeating myself again, because people aren't understanding my message: just because "an advisor" says its ok and others are doing exactly the same thing, doesn't mean you're Scott free.
And guess who ends up holding the can if/when it goes ties up?
BandOfBrothers said:
Doofus said:
BandOfBrothers said:
And guess who ends up holding the can if/when it goes ties up?
The advisor's Professional Indemnity insurance.Another two very big assumptions to add to those made by the posters on this thread.
G Thang said:
mat-fos36 said:
Plenty of postal entries. The raffle actuall goes live 7 days before I announce it I just don’t advertise it until 48hours before. Hence why I say there’s only 48hours left as apposed to this is a 48hour competition. I don’t know why I feel I need to explain myself as we work closely with the gambling commission to make sure everything is above board but no matter what we do people asways talk which is great exposure
Nothing wrong with what you did. Anyone has a right to run a raffle within the rules.But it seems to me the requirement to allow free postal entries is quite strange and somewhat flawed.
If you had a prize worth £100,000, and you were allowed to sell £120,000 worth of tickets, that would give the punters a fair and proportional chance of winning and make a reasonable profit for yourself. That would be a fair system.
But if you have to make an allowance for a number of people who will make free entries, let's say that could be 3 times as many, because why would you pay for a ticket when you can get one for free? And some might make multiple entries.
So, you then have to release £480,000 worth of tickets to cover the original |£120,000 investment (prize and admin fees, fair profit). This leaves the paying customers paying a price disproportionately high to their chance of winning. A bit unfair, but 99.99% of punters were always going to lose their money anyway so they have no major reason to feel cheated.
If you happen to sell enough tickets for a much bigger profit, then that’s your good luck, but you could equally end up not selling enough tickets to cover your cost.[/quote
As you mention mate there’s nothing wrong with what we’ve done. If I wanted to make millions off it I could just open the raffle up for weeks and weeks. Some people think profit is a dirty word. Everyone knows the ins and outs of the competition and guess what… they can choose whether they enter or not haha. Turns out the guy who won only bought one ticket so proves you only need one to win. And let’s say you spent £9,95 on a ticket and didn’t win. Well you just supported a channel you watch week in week out to making bigger and better content. People spend £15 a month on Netflix each week and no one speaks about how much they earn. Someone could watch the channel for free there whole life and really enjoy it that’s the beauty of YouTube. I’ve tried to be as fair as possible and I really didn’t think people would have a problem as if you don’t like it you don’t have to pay. It’s like moaning about diesel prices when you have a petrol car
mat-fos36 said:
G Thang said:
mat-fos36 said:
Plenty of postal entries. The raffle actuall goes live 7 days before I announce it I just don’t advertise it until 48hours before. Hence why I say there’s only 48hours left as apposed to this is a 48hour competition. I don’t know why I feel I need to explain myself as we work closely with the gambling commission to make sure everything is above board but no matter what we do people asways talk which is great exposure
Nothing wrong with what you did. Anyone has a right to run a raffle within the rules.But it seems to me the requirement to allow free postal entries is quite strange and somewhat flawed.
If you had a prize worth £100,000, and you were allowed to sell £120,000 worth of tickets, that would give the punters a fair and proportional chance of winning and make a reasonable profit for yourself. That would be a fair system.
But if you have to make an allowance for a number of people who will make free entries, let's say that could be 3 times as many, because why would you pay for a ticket when you can get one for free? And some might make multiple entries.
So, you then have to release £480,000 worth of tickets to cover the original |£120,000 investment (prize and admin fees, fair profit). This leaves the paying customers paying a price disproportionately high to their chance of winning. A bit unfair, but 99.99% of punters were always going to lose their money anyway so they have no major reason to feel cheated.
If you happen to sell enough tickets for a much bigger profit, then that’s your good luck, but you could equally end up not selling enough tickets to cover your cost.[/quote
As you mention mate there’s nothing wrong with what we’ve done. If I wanted to make millions off it I could just open the raffle up for weeks and weeks. Some people think profit is a dirty word. Everyone knows the ins and outs of the competition and guess what… they can choose whether they enter or not haha. Turns out the guy who won only bought one ticket so proves you only need one to win. And let’s say you spent £9,95 on a ticket and didn’t win. Well you just supported a channel you watch week in week out to making bigger and better content. People spend £15 a month on Netflix each week and no one speaks about how much they earn. Someone could watch the channel for free there whole life and really enjoy it that’s the beauty of YouTube. I’ve tried to be as fair as possible and I really didn’t think people would have a problem as if you don’t like it you don’t have to pay. It’s like moaning about diesel prices when you have a petrol car
I've pointed out where I think you haven't, the most obvious ones being:
1) equally prominent advertising for both paid and free entry route; and
2) equally convenient entries for both free and paid entry routes.
If your advisers have reviewed the above and told you it's all fine, then I'd strongly suggest paying for a professional second opinion from a recognised law firm.
It may cost more now, but it could save you a fortune in the future.
Either way, good luck with it all and keep up the great content!
I may be a vocal critic on this point, but I genuinely enjoy watching your channel.
Doofus said:
BandOfBrothers said:
And guess who ends up holding the can if/when it goes ties up?
The advisor's Professional Indemnity insurance.BandOfBrothers said:
mat-fos36 said:
G Thang said:
mat-fos36 said:
Plenty of postal entries. The raffle actuall goes live 7 days before I announce it I just don’t advertise it until 48hours before. Hence why I say there’s only 48hours left as apposed to this is a 48hour competition. I don’t know why I feel I need to explain myself as we work closely with the gambling commission to make sure everything is above board but no matter what we do people asways talk which is great exposure
Nothing wrong with what you did. Anyone has a right to run a raffle within the rules.But it seems to me the requirement to allow free postal entries is quite strange and somewhat flawed.
If you had a prize worth £100,000, and you were allowed to sell £120,000 worth of tickets, that would give the punters a fair and proportional chance of winning and make a reasonable profit for yourself. That would be a fair system.
But if you have to make an allowance for a number of people who will make free entries, let's say that could be 3 times as many, because why would you pay for a ticket when you can get one for free? And some might make multiple entries.
So, you then have to release £480,000 worth of tickets to cover the original |£120,000 investment (prize and admin fees, fair profit). This leaves the paying customers paying a price disproportionately high to their chance of winning. A bit unfair, but 99.99% of punters were always going to lose their money anyway so they have no major reason to feel cheated.
If you happen to sell enough tickets for a much bigger profit, then that’s your good luck, but you could equally end up not selling enough tickets to cover your cost.[/quote
As you mention mate there’s nothing wrong with what we’ve done. If I wanted to make millions off it I could just open the raffle up for weeks and weeks. Some people think profit is a dirty word. Everyone knows the ins and outs of the competition and guess what… they can choose whether they enter or not haha. Turns out the guy who won only bought one ticket so proves you only need one to win. And let’s say you spent £9,95 on a ticket and didn’t win. Well you just supported a channel you watch week in week out to making bigger and better content. People spend £15 a month on Netflix each week and no one speaks about how much they earn. Someone could watch the channel for free there whole life and really enjoy it that’s the beauty of YouTube. I’ve tried to be as fair as possible and I really didn’t think people would have a problem as if you don’t like it you don’t have to pay. It’s like moaning about diesel prices when you have a petrol car
I've pointed out where I think you haven't, the most obvious ones being:
1) equally prominent advertising for both paid and free entry route; and
2) equally convenient entries for both free and paid entry routes.
If your advisers have reviewed the above and told you it's all fine, then I'd strongly suggest paying for a professional second opinion from a recognised law firm.
It may cost more now, but it could save you a fortune in the future.
Either way, good luck with it all and keep up the great content!
I may be a vocal critic on this point, but I genuinely enjoy watching your channel.
Your input is really spoiling this thread. I appreciate you will now need to reply to this, but please don’t.
robemcdonald said:
Look I’m sure you have a good point and all that. If Mat is doing something wrong that’s up to him.
Your input is really spoiling this thread. I appreciate you will now need to reply to this, but please don’t.
So you're allowed to reply to my posts whenever you like, but I'm not allowed to reply to yours?Your input is really spoiling this thread. I appreciate you will now need to reply to this, but please don’t.
More gatekeeping from the echo chamber.
If you want to end the discussion, then how about you stop replying, rather than demanding others do?!
BandOfBrothers said:
robemcdonald said:
Look I’m sure you have a good point and all that. If Mat is doing something wrong that’s up to him.
Your input is really spoiling this thread. I appreciate you will now need to reply to this, but please don’t.
So you're allowed to reply to my posts whenever you like, but I'm not allowed to reply to yours?Your input is really spoiling this thread. I appreciate you will now need to reply to this, but please don’t.
More gatekeeping from the echo chamber.
If you want to end the discussion, then how about you stop replying, rather than demanding others do?!
BandOfBrothers said:
robemcdonald said:
Look I’m sure you have a good point and all that. If Mat is doing something wrong that’s up to him.
Your input is really spoiling this thread. I appreciate you will now need to reply to this, but please don’t.
So you're allowed to reply to my posts whenever you like, but I'm not allowed to reply to yours?Your input is really spoiling this thread. I appreciate you will now need to reply to this, but please don’t.
More gatekeeping from the echo chamber.
If you want to end the discussion, then how about you stop replying, rather than demanding others do?!
You put your argument forward and you may well have a point. Continually reiterating it and arguing with anyone that dares take an alternative point of view isn’t adding to the discussion.
The thing is, the vast majority of posters enjoy Mats work based on its entertainment value and not its legal compliance.
Anyway, you carry on fighting the good fight.
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