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Sway said:
Doofus said:
WPA said:
Respect the engineering but even if you wanted one you cannot get one
I don't keep up; is this because you have to be on their friends list, or because they're not making any more?
I knew dealers did it with limited production models (although I thought that Posrche themselves had told them to f
king stop it), but in this case, it seems crazy.Doofus said:
Sway said:
Doofus said:
WPA said:
Respect the engineering but even if you wanted one you cannot get one
I don't keep up; is this because you have to be on their friends list, or because they're not making any more?I knew dealers did it with limited production models (although I thought that Posrche themselves had told them to f
king stop it), but in this case, it seems crazy.Which is a great way of saying 'I'm only going to build you one if you meet our criteria'!
WPA said:
Respect the engineering but even if you wanted one you cannot get one plus it just seems crazy to have a 190mph and 130k + Boxster.
Surely a 911 is the better all round choice.
For whom?Surely a 911 is the better all round choice.
The owner with a partner and two very small children/pets?
The owner who has always loved a 911 and it's iconic status?
For me the ultimate all round choice was mid-engine'd and looked 'right' when made as an open top (subjective).
Aside from the badge and the orientation of the engine/cargo space the Boxster has always been seen as less because of marketing, price point, and ultimate power ranking. A perfectly normal reaction as you can't have a range of cars that all compete against each other... an 'entry level' sports car, THE sports car, a track god, a GT, an SUV, each has a place.
But in Porsche's case the 'entry level' is actually far more than that...
Engineering wise the 986 Boxster was a 996 911....the 987 was a 997 and the 981 was a 991.
For some reason the 718 lost the 'Boxster' name but remained based on the 991....
Under the skin nearly all the part numbers for a 981 start with 991*****
Even the software is shared.
All the engineering and development was done for the 911 of it's era, whilst the Boxster of its era had extra development on top.
Instead of rear seats then engine, you get engine and boot.... the shared parts make the 'entry level' the VFM option and some could argue the better driving option due to it's layout...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8RDTsr9POA&li...
Sway said:
Doofus said:
Sway said:
Doofus said:
WPA said:
Respect the engineering but even if you wanted one you cannot get one
I don't keep up; is this because you have to be on their friends list, or because they're not making any more?I knew dealers did it with limited production models (although I thought that Posrche themselves had told them to f
king stop it), but in this case, it seems crazy.Which is a great way of saying 'I'm only going to build you one if you meet our criteria'!
It's a bizarre display of the consumer disease to be honest. And one might suspect they'll be using the trick currently to push punters into EVs as that's the kit struggling to get shifted at the moment?
Personally, I can't imagine anything more miserable than wanting an object so much that you'll degrade yourself to get it while helping the manufacturer maintain a false market in used values.
It's all a bit sad and grim.
WPA said:
Respect the engineering but even if you wanted one you cannot get one plus it just seems crazy to have a 190mph and 130k + Boxster.
Surely a 911 is the better all round choice.
Depends on what you want. If you want a more engaging and less demanding car the Boxster is the one for you. Surely a 911 is the better all round choice.
soxboy said:
Wheel Turned Out said:
thegreenhell said:
I was amused when Harry mentioned you could option magnesium wheels to save an extra 10kg, but didn't mention they cost £11.5k!
I had to do a double take at that too. I know Porsche are known for costly options, but goodness me. Maybe the "it's all so bloody expensive it's ridiculous" is just taken as implied these days.
1. Going to the toilet before I leave the house
2. Be a bit less of a fat knacker
3. Put a bit less petrol in it.
DonkeyApple said:
Forester1965 said:
Gives 'em something to do in between handing their firstborn over to Rolex dealers.
Could just ask the salesman for his man bangle to be thrown in as a twofer but it would be rude to speak with a mouthful. "You've bludgeoned 2 Macans and a Taycan into Elliott and he's still begging for a 3RS? Tell him a couple of 4 banger Boxsters and an annual membership to Shady Hills 18 holes peak times included and we'll think about it".
pneumothorax said:
world's gone barmy for sure.
If I had £130 k hanging around I know where I would be getting my NA 9000 rpm fix (F355) and I'd get a 986 3.2s for £7k and thrash the nuts of it.
I hear what you're saying but your F355, which cost £83K in 1994, would be £206K in today's money and revs to 8500, not 9000. Inflation sucks for sure! Personally I think the Boxster RS isn't so bad compared with other collectable limited edition stuff.If I had £130 k hanging around I know where I would be getting my NA 9000 rpm fix (F355) and I'd get a 986 3.2s for £7k and thrash the nuts of it.
greenarrow said:
I hear what you're saying but your F355, which cost £83K in 1994, would be £206K in today's money and revs to 8500, not 9000. Inflation sucks for sure! Personally I think the Boxster RS isn't so bad compared with other collectable limited edition stuff.
a 355 will rev to 9k, not for long and you wouldn't do it in your own one but it will do it. I was once in one that was driven by a disreputable dealer who wanted to show me it was possible. It wasn't even his car (allegedly)Whilst that £130k Boxster sounded good, a 355 with a fruity pipe on it sounds better north of 8k rpm, they are exquisite.
Then get a 986 and you get the Boxster experience and you don't have to bring lubrication to your local AFN
win win.
greenarrow said:
Its odd because I am sure I remember an older HG episode where he weighed a 718 version of a Boxster and it came in just under 1,300 KG. Still no lightweight, but when you consider the original 986 Boxster 2.5 weighed 1242KG in 1996, actually pretty decent considering the weight rises that have generally taken place since the mid 90s...
Alpine of course make a car that is around the 1100KG mark but it seems to not appeal to Porsche owners.
I just checked and the kerb weight for my Abarth 124 Spider from 2016 is listed as 1,060kg. We've just ordered a Focus ST Estate as a second car and that lists at 1,673kg...Alpine of course make a car that is around the 1100KG mark but it seems to not appeal to Porsche owners.
soxboy said:
It is pretty bonkers. I’ll easily save 10kg and £11.5k on my Porsche by:
1. Going to the toilet before I leave the house
2. Be a bit less of a fat knacker
3. Put a bit less petrol in it.
10kg saved on the wheels will make a massive difference to the car, especially if the mass is saved a towards the outside of the wheel. From my vehicle dynamics studies I remember learninf unsprung to sprung mass saving was about 1:7 (in reality there's loads of variables but it's between 1:4 - 1:10) I.e saving 1kg of wheel mass would yield the same gain in performance as a 7kg saving on the chassis or battery for example. 1. Going to the toilet before I leave the house
2. Be a bit less of a fat knacker
3. Put a bit less petrol in it.
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