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[RichB]

E90_M3Ross said:

RichB said:

Dashnine said:

And now off sale in Europe <clip>

Surely Porsche are going to correct whatever the issue is?
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/362724/brexi...

It's probably due replacement, no? In which case it'd possibly cost more to fix it than to wait a short while. Maybe.

Yes, I guess so although I've always considered the Cayman & Boxster to be what the 911 should be, i.e. same engine but mid as opposed to rear hung. Sadly I've read the next Porsche cars will be EVs

[PinkHouse]

Dashnine said:

ArgonautX said:

the 718 is actually a slight restyle of the 981, a car that is now 12

And now off sale in Europe as Tom Cruise could hack into the car on his iPhone from the car behind.

Porsche have absolutely milked the life out of this platform which has been basically the same since 2012, in that period the 911 has gone through two more generations and they will still be making these well into 2025. You can tell that the interior and exterior are actually quite dated looking compared with other cars being delivered today. Some might argue that it's actually a benefit due to feeling "analogue", but that should be reflected in the price and there's no way they should be charging nearly £200k for the privilege

[ArgonautX]

PinkHouse said:

Porsche have absolutely milked the life out of this platform which has been basically the same since 2012, in that period the 911 has gone through two more generations and they will still be making these well into 2025. You can tell that the interior and exterior are actually quite dated looking compared with other cars being delivered today. Some might argue that it's actually a benefit due to feeling "analogue", but that should be reflected in the price and there's no way they should be charging nearly £200k for the privilege

they can charge almost whatever they want now because there is no real competition... who else makes 9000 rpm naturally aspirated engines, small hypercar manufacturers aside?

I actually think the dated interior is a plus, there's no buttons on the wheel and most everything that should be button/switch operated is.

[Isebac]

thegreenhell said:

I was amused when Harry mentioned you could option magnesium wheels to save an extra 10kg, but didn't mention they cost £11.5k!

And that's with Porsche probably not making any money on this option. Forged Mag wheels are incredibly expensive, a lot of the times costing more than £11.5k if you were to buy them separately.

[RichB]

ArgonautX said:

PinkHouse said:

Porsche have absolutely milked the life out of this platform which has been basically the same since 2012, in that period the 911 has gone through two more generations and they will still be making these well into 2025. You can tell that the interior and exterior are actually quite dated looking compared with other cars being delivered today. Some might argue that it's actually a benefit due to feeling "analogue", but that should be reflected in the price and there's no way they should be charging nearly £200k for the privilege

they can charge almost whatever they want now because there is no real competition... who else makes 9000 rpm naturally aspirated engines, small hypercar manufacturers aside?
I actually think the dated interior is a plus, there's no buttons on the wheel and most everything that should be button/switch operated is.

For me, Porsche interiors are up there with the best, everything where you need it and no excessive nonsense.

[E90_M3Ross]

ArgonautX said:

PinkHouse said:

Porsche have absolutely milked the life out of this platform which has been basically the same since 2012, in that period the 911 has gone through two more generations and they will still be making these well into 2025. You can tell that the interior and exterior are actually quite dated looking compared with other cars being delivered today. Some might argue that it's actually a benefit due to feeling "analogue", but that should be reflected in the price and there's no way they should be charging nearly £200k for the privilege

they can charge almost whatever they want now because there is no real competition... who else makes 9000 rpm naturally aspirated engines, small hypercar manufacturers aside?

I actually think the dated interior is a plus, there's no buttons on the wheel and most everything that should be button/switch operated is.

Aside from some SERIOUSLY expensive cars I don't think anyone does aside Ferrari (V12). Can you still get a NA Lambo? Bare in mind this car was £130k+ so those cars can at least be mentioned. But yes, things like Gordon Murray cars etc.... No... Bit pricey!

[Caddyshack]

soxboy said:

Wheel Turned Out said:

thegreenhell said:

I was amused when Harry mentioned you could option magnesium wheels to save an extra 10kg, but didn't mention they cost £11.5k!

I had to do a double take at that too. I know Porsche are known for costly options, but goodness me.

Maybe the "it's all so bloody expensive it's ridiculous" is just taken as implied these days.

It is pretty bonkers. I’ll easily save 10kg and £11.5k on my Porsche by:
1. Going to the toilet before I leave the house
2. Be a bit less of a fat knacker
3. Put a bit less petrol in it.

Someone always says this when people talk about weight savings…you can always do the above with the lighter car that has lost 25kg.

[ArgonautX]

E90_M3Ross said:

Aside from some SERIOUSLY expensive cars I don't think anyone does aside Ferrari (V12). Can you still get a NA Lambo? Bare in mind this car was £130k+ so those cars can at least be mentioned. But yes, things like Gordon Murray cars etc.... No... Bit pricey!

Huracan and R8 are out of production, no more NA V10
Ferrari's new V12 is, what, 400K+, same as Revuelto.

Meanwhile, Porsche offers 2 options, the GTS 4.0 and the Motorsport 4.0. My only regret is that the GTS 4.0 engine is not available in the 992.

[WPA]

Respect the engineering but even if you wanted one you cannot get one plus it just seems crazy to have a 190mph and 130k + Boxster.

Surely a 911 is the better all round choice.

[DonkeyApple]

RichB said:

Yes, I guess so although I've always considered the Cayman & Boxster to be what the 911 should be, i.e. same engine but mid as opposed to rear hung. Sadly I've read the next Porsche cars will be EVs

100% EV but Porsche will sell you their magic Chilean efuel made from carbon that definitely hasn't come from fossil fuel power stations and been laundered through the carbon credit tax scheme.

But, VW are desperately seeking to backtrack now as they thought they could outcompete China when it comes to building cars but have realised they don't stand a chance, even with all their decades of state subsidies and financial 'games'.

[Doofus]

WPA said:

Respect the engineering but even if you wanted one you cannot get one

I don't keep up; is this because you have to be on their friends list, or because they're not making any more?

[Sway]

Doofus said:

WPA said:

Respect the engineering but even if you wanted one you cannot get one

I don't keep up; is this because you have to be on their friends list, or because they're not making any more?

Friends list. Apparently it's not limited production.

[Doofus]

Sway said:

Doofus said:

WPA said:

Respect the engineering but even if you wanted one you cannot get one

I don't keep up; is this because you have to be on their friends list, or because they're not making any more?

Friends list. Apparently it's not limited production.

Well that makes no sense then. If production isn't limited, but dealers refuse to sell you one, surely they're just doing themselves out of a sale.

I knew dealers did it with limited production models (although I thought that Posrche themselves had told them to fking stop it), but in this case, it seems crazy.

[Sway]

Doofus said:

Sway said:

Doofus said:

WPA said:

Respect the engineering but even if you wanted one you cannot get one

I don't keep up; is this because you have to be on their friends list, or because they're not making any more?

Friends list. Apparently it's not limited production.

Well that makes no sense then. If production isn't limited, but dealers refuse to sell you one, surely they're just doing themselves out of a sale.

I knew dealers did it with limited production models (although I thought that Posrche themselves had told them to fking stop it), but in this case, it seems crazy.

According to evo, whilst numbers aren't limited, orders are restricted to allow for production capacity constraints...

Which is a great way of saying 'I'm only going to build you one if you meet our criteria'!

[Quickmoose]

WPA said:

Respect the engineering but even if you wanted one you cannot get one plus it just seems crazy to have a 190mph and 130k + Boxster.

Surely a 911 is the better all round choice.

For whom?
The owner with a partner and two very small children/pets?
The owner who has always loved a 911 and it's iconic status?

For me the ultimate all round choice was mid-engine'd and looked 'right' when made as an open top (subjective).


Aside from the badge and the orientation of the engine/cargo space the Boxster has always been seen as less because of marketing, price point, and ultimate power ranking. A perfectly normal reaction as you can't have a range of cars that all compete against each other... an 'entry level' sports car, THE sports car, a track god, a GT, an SUV, each has a place.
But in Porsche's case the 'entry level' is actually far more than that...
Engineering wise the 986 Boxster was a 996 911....the 987 was a 997 and the 981 was a 991.
For some reason the 718 lost the 'Boxster' name but remained based on the 991....

Under the skin nearly all the part numbers for a 981 start with 991*****
Even the software is shared.
All the engineering and development was done for the 911 of it's era, whilst the Boxster of its era had extra development on top.
Instead of rear seats then engine, you get engine and boot.... the shared parts make the 'entry level' the VFM option and some could argue the better driving option due to it's layout...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8RDTsr9POA&li...

[DonkeyApple]

Sway said:

Doofus said:

Sway said:

Doofus said:

WPA said:

Respect the engineering but even if you wanted one you cannot get one

I don't keep up; is this because you have to be on their friends list, or because they're not making any more?

Friends list. Apparently it's not limited production.

Well that makes no sense then. If production isn't limited, but dealers refuse to sell you one, surely they're just doing themselves out of a sale.

I knew dealers did it with limited production models (although I thought that Posrche themselves had told them to fking stop it), but in this case, it seems crazy.

According to evo, whilst numbers aren't limited, orders are restricted to allow for production capacity constraints...

Which is a great way of saying 'I'm only going to build you one if you meet our criteria'!

Driving around in a car that announces one chose to go down on knees in the back room was never a great look but others see it differently and that it shows others they had to by some other Porsche merch.

It's a bizarre display of the consumer disease to be honest. And one might suspect they'll be using the trick currently to push punters into EVs as that's the kit struggling to get shifted at the moment?

Personally, I can't imagine anything more miserable than wanting an object so much that you'll degrade yourself to get it while helping the manufacturer maintain a false market in used values.

It's all a bit sad and grim.

[Forester1965]

Gives 'em something to do in between handing their firstborn over to Rolex dealers.

[Smollet]

WPA said:

Respect the engineering but even if you wanted one you cannot get one plus it just seems crazy to have a 190mph and 130k + Boxster.

Surely a 911 is the better all round choice.

Depends on what you want. If you want a more engaging and less demanding car the Boxster is the one for you.

[DonkeyApple]

Forester1965 said:

Gives 'em something to do in between handing their firstborn over to Rolex dealers.

Could just ask the salesman for his man bangle to be thrown in as a twofer but it would be rude to speak with a mouthful.

[pneumothorax]

world's gone barmy for sure.

If I had £130 k hanging around I know where I would be getting my NA 9000 rpm fix (F355) and I'd get a 986 3.2s for £7k and thrash the nuts of it.