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I caught up with Harry's video finally. What a lovely car that 650S is. Have always liked how it married the 12-C style rear end to the new style front which carried through to the 570 etc. If you can afford the running costs, something like the 650S really offers a lot of bang for your buck. Car performance has moved on in leaps and bounds since that car was launched in, er, I think 2014, but the 650's 0-100 time and 0-150 times are still very much on the money.
Sway said:
Come on, it really isn't that difficult. This now feels like being deliberately obtuse.
Porsche do both a Cayman GTS and a 911GTS. Does this spin you out as well or is it just the nomenclature of the 'normal, but fast' one?
LT is the limited run equivalent of GT3. GT is, as perhaps should be obvious, the softer 'daily' version.
570 is the sports series, 650 is the last gen super series.
It's not obtuse. I genuinely don't understand what makes a car a Sports series and what makes it a Super series. Porsche do both a Cayman GTS and a 911GTS. Does this spin you out as well or is it just the nomenclature of the 'normal, but fast' one?
LT is the limited run equivalent of GT3. GT is, as perhaps should be obvious, the softer 'daily' version.
570 is the sports series, 650 is the last gen super series.
Repeated references to Cayman/911 are meaningless because they're different cars. Posrche don't say "Some Caymans are sports cars and some are supercars, and some 911s are supercars but some are sports cars".
If it's just down to HP (570 = Sports and 650 = Super), then say so. But I doubt it's that simple. And I keep asking what an LT is, but the only answer I'm getting is that "It's not complicated".
Wikipedia’s explanation seems reasonable.
“ McLaren launched its current three-tier product structure in 2015, dividing their range of cars into the Sports, Super, and Ultimate Series. Cars in the Sports and Super Series are given names based on the car's power output in PS, followed by a model designation (C for club, S for sport, GT for grand tourer and LT for longtail).
The entry-level Sports Series consists of the 540C, 570GT, 570S, 570S Spider, 600LT and 600LT Spider.
The Super Series, considered to be McLaren's core model range, originally included the 650S, 625C, and 675LT. These were replaced with the 720S in 2017, the 720S Spider in 2018, and the 750S in 2023. The high-end Ultimate Series was led by the P1 and P1 GTR, now it includes the Senna, Senna GTR and the upcoming Speedtail, intended to be the successor to the original F1.”
“ McLaren launched its current three-tier product structure in 2015, dividing their range of cars into the Sports, Super, and Ultimate Series. Cars in the Sports and Super Series are given names based on the car's power output in PS, followed by a model designation (C for club, S for sport, GT for grand tourer and LT for longtail).
The entry-level Sports Series consists of the 540C, 570GT, 570S, 570S Spider, 600LT and 600LT Spider.
The Super Series, considered to be McLaren's core model range, originally included the 650S, 625C, and 675LT. These were replaced with the 720S in 2017, the 720S Spider in 2018, and the 750S in 2023. The high-end Ultimate Series was led by the P1 and P1 GTR, now it includes the Senna, Senna GTR and the upcoming Speedtail, intended to be the successor to the original F1.”
thegreenhell said:
Err, where are Porsche going to go next after 991, 992... 
Totally logical, m'lud.
That's the nerd sub numbering system though. This is more about the stickers on the back. I wouldn't know the need numbers for a Porsche anymore than I do for BMWs or types of 737 planes or the rolling stock of GWR. Totally logical, m'lud.
I have a vague comprehension of the 911 sub numbering. The 993 is the one people seagull due to being air cooled. The 996 is the lardy looking one. I wouldn't know what the numbers were for 911s prior to the 993 and while I am aware there is a 997 I don't know what it is beyond the logical guess that it is a newish one.
I've had multiple BMWs over the years but never known their sub numbers. I'll recognise roughly what they are in PH posts but I could stand in a car park of BMWs and point out what was what. I have an Audi outside and I could tell you what sub number that is.
In terms of the actual numbers stuck in the back that's all straightforward with Porsches, Audis, BMW etc.
Doofus said:
Sway said:
Come on, it really isn't that difficult. This now feels like being deliberately obtuse.
Porsche do both a Cayman GTS and a 911GTS. Does this spin you out as well or is it just the nomenclature of the 'normal, but fast' one?
LT is the limited run equivalent of GT3. GT is, as perhaps should be obvious, the softer 'daily' version.
570 is the sports series, 650 is the last gen super series.
It's not obtuse. I genuinely don't understand what makes a car a Sports series and what makes it a Super series. Porsche do both a Cayman GTS and a 911GTS. Does this spin you out as well or is it just the nomenclature of the 'normal, but fast' one?
LT is the limited run equivalent of GT3. GT is, as perhaps should be obvious, the softer 'daily' version.
570 is the sports series, 650 is the last gen super series.
Repeated references to Cayman/911 are meaningless because they're different cars. Posrche don't say "Some Caymans are sports cars and some are supercars, and some 911s are supercars but some are sports cars".
If it's just down to HP (570 = Sports and 650 = Super), then say so. But I doubt it's that simple. And I keep asking what an LT is, but the only answer I'm getting is that "It's not complicated".
LT, for the fourth time, is equivalent to GT3. Track special, limited numbers.
Ken_Code said:
Doofus said:
Repeated references to Cayman/911 are meaningless because they're different cars.
As are sports series and super series cars.
Doofus said:
Well they're not, really, are they. They're all similar-looking, 2 seat mid-engined cars. The only distiction appears to be engine power, and given each series can contain S, GT and LT, it's not at all obvious what, if anything else differentiates the two series.
It’s this sort of rubbish that makes people think you are being disingenuous. I’ll leave you to it.Sway said:
I only got grumpy after having to type the same stuff several times - all the 'answers' were given yesterday!
And I'm aware of that now. I apologise, but I missed your detailed post first time around. I then got into defending why I asked the question in the first place because I don't like being called "deliberately obtuse". 
Doofus said:
Sway said:
I only got grumpy after having to type the same stuff several times - all the 'answers' were given yesterday!
And I'm aware of that now. I apologise, but I missed your detailed post first time around. I then got into defending why I asked the question in the first place because I don't like being called "deliberately obtuse". 
Doofus said:
Sway said:
Come on, it really isn't that difficult. This now feels like being deliberately obtuse.
Porsche do both a Cayman GTS and a 911GTS. Does this spin you out as well or is it just the nomenclature of the 'normal, but fast' one?
LT is the limited run equivalent of GT3. GT is, as perhaps should be obvious, the softer 'daily' version.
570 is the sports series, 650 is the last gen super series.
It's not obtuse. I genuinely don't understand what makes a car a Sports series and what makes it a Super series. Porsche do both a Cayman GTS and a 911GTS. Does this spin you out as well or is it just the nomenclature of the 'normal, but fast' one?
LT is the limited run equivalent of GT3. GT is, as perhaps should be obvious, the softer 'daily' version.
570 is the sports series, 650 is the last gen super series.
Repeated references to Cayman/911 are meaningless because they're different cars. Posrche don't say "Some Caymans are sports cars and some are supercars, and some 911s are supercars but some are sports cars".
If it's just down to HP (570 = Sports and 650 = Super), then say so. But I doubt it's that simple. And I keep asking what an LT is, but the only answer I'm getting is that "It's not complicated".
king hell it's not that hard 
You've said the 911 and Cayman reference is pointless because Porsche don't say some Caymans are sports cars and some are supercars "....well, shock horror for you, McLaren only call the sports series the sport series
Let's put it another way then:
Sports series = Cayman
Super series = 911.
Like the Cayman or 911, they can have models within that range.... Such as Cayman or 911 GTS, or GT3. Think of the GT3 nomenclature the same as LT.
The number on the McLarens refers to the power output.
So the sports series includes the 570S and it's "GT3 equivalent" 600LT. The super series includes the 750S and it's "GT3 equivalent" 765LT.
If you can understand the Porsche lineup, the only reason you can't understand the McLaren one is because you don't want to. It's very simple, there are literally 2 "main" models - the sports and super series (ultimate series being very rare). Porsche have lots more with the Macan, Cayenne, Taycan, Panamera etc.
Like McLaren, Porsche also have models within a range (eg 911, 911S, 911 Turbo, 911 Turbo S, GTS GT3, GT3 RS, GT2, GT2 RS. How is that not more complicated
greenarrow said:
I caught up with Harry's video finally. What a lovely car that 650S is. Have always liked how it married the 12-C style rear end to the new style front which carried through to the 570 etc. If you can afford the running costs, something like the 650S really offers a lot of bang for your buck. Car performance has moved on in leaps and bounds since that car was launched in, er, I think 2014, but the 650's 0-100 time and 0-150 times are still very much on the money.
When you have a look at the back catalogue of cars Harry has owned over the years, the 650 is the quickest car that he has now owned.I always find the 0-124 figure for these cars as the standout number; a smidge over 8 secs for the 650, and a smidge under 8 for the 675...these are cars that were in production nearly a decade ago, and the current 'supercars' from other marques still struggle to match that pace.
Harry buying a 650 is a fantastic endorsement for these cars, and hopefully assists in more balanced opinions as there seems to be a lot of haters out there.
Wheelspinning said:
When you have a look at the back catalogue of cars Harry has owned over the years, the 650 is the quickest car that he has now owned.
I always find the 0-124 figure for these cars as the standout number; a smidge over 8 secs for the 650, and a smidge under 8 for the 675...these are cars that were in production nearly a decade ago, and the current 'supercars' from other marques still struggle to match that pace.
Harry buying a 650 is a fantastic endorsement for these cars, and hopefully assists in more balanced opinions as there seems to be a lot of haters out there.
I don’t think that the non-hybrid “mainstream” supercar world moved on all that much from the 650s.I always find the 0-124 figure for these cars as the standout number; a smidge over 8 secs for the 650, and a smidge under 8 for the 675...these are cars that were in production nearly a decade ago, and the current 'supercars' from other marques still struggle to match that pace.
Harry buying a 650 is a fantastic endorsement for these cars, and hopefully assists in more balanced opinions as there seems to be a lot of haters out there.
The 720 and 750 are better cars, but not massively so, and we’re not now likely to see anything else coming out to add significantly to what’s currently available, as manufacturers now are concentrating on hybrids.
I was amazed at the feeling of performance when I first got my 650, and although familiarity has taken some of that excitement away, the numbers are still amazing.
Wheelspinning said:
Harry buying a 650 is a fantastic endorsement for these cars, and hopefully assists in more balanced opinions as there seems to be a lot of haters out there.
With Harry's "influencer" enthusiasm and the success of the F1 team, perhaps we should be buying Mclaren shares at the moment?Watching YT videos from the USA, the brand appear to have less baggage over there also.
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