Harry's Garage - YouTube

[cslwannabe]

Enjoy your new addition to the fleet Harry! Looks a great car (if almost black in the video!)

I find the number of McLaren models bewildering tbh - it’s like Sony tvs or Inov-8 running shoes! The original MP4s are still very strong money. I do like the ‘nose’ of the 650S and think Stephenson did a good job on the styling. Didn’t realise that until your video.

The performance figures of the Emira never quite seemed to tally up with a 400bhp car. They’ve never been on my radar whereas I still keep looking at Cayman GT4s in the classifieds…

[Sway]

cslwannabe said:

Enjoy your new addition to the fleet Harry! Looks a great car (if almost black in the video!)

I find the number of McLaren models bewildering tbh - it’s like Sony tvs or Inov-8 running shoes! The original MP4s are still very strong money. I do like the ‘nose’ of the 650S and think Stephenson did a good job on the styling. Didn’t realise that until your video.

The performance figures of the Emira never quite seemed to tally up with a 400bhp car. They’ve never been on my radar whereas I still keep looking at Cayman GT4s in the classifieds…

Mclaren models are actually really simple - for production cars, there's two - sports and super.

Within those, they have different spec options, for example 540C/570S/570GT, plus limited ones like the 600LT

Super series was the 12C, then 650S/675LT, then 720S/750S/765LT.

Its not much different from Porsche, indeed there's far fewer Mclaren variants of each gen!

[Doofus]

Sway said:

Mclaren models are actually really simple - for production cars, there's two - sports and super.

Within those, they have different spec options, for example 540C/570S/570GT, plus limited ones like the 600LT

Super series was the 12C, then 650S/675LT, then 720S/750S/765LT.

Its not much different from Porsche, indeed there's far fewer Mclaren variants of each gen!

With respect, that's not simple at all, and it's something I've struggled with on my occasional 'shall I get a Mclaren' wanders.

I'd previously understood that LTs were track-focussed, Ss were 'Super' series, and the others were "outliers". Then Harry called his a "Super Sports", which I thought was two different things.

Is a 650S better than a 570S, and what does that mean for a 570GT?

[E90_M3Ross]

cslwannabe said:

Enjoy your new addition to the fleet Harry! Looks a great car (if almost black in the video!)

I find the number of McLaren models bewildering tbh - it’s like Sony tvs or Inov-8 running shoes! The original MP4s are still very strong money. I do like the ‘nose’ of the 650S and think Stephenson did a good job on the styling. Didn’t realise that until your video.

The performance figures of the Emira never quite seemed to tally up with a 400bhp car. They’ve never been on my radar whereas I still keep looking at Cayman GT4s in the classifieds…

The McLaren line up really isn't that complicated. The issue people have is, I think, that they think a replacement model is not a replacement, but indeed anther model. For example, the 650S is part of the super series, which replaced the 12C. The 650S had a more track focused version, (denoted "LT") which was the 675LT. The 650S was replaced by the 720S. The track focused version of that is the 765LT. The 720S has since been replaced by the 750S.

It's no different to, say, Mercedes releasing a new E Class. Or it's like me saying the 12C was the original super series car (like the E21 was the first BMW 3 series). The 650S was like the later E30 3 series, the 720S like the E36 and the 750S is the E46. Make more sense?

Then you have the sports series which is like the model "below" the super series.

It really isn't actually that complicated, it's definitely a lot easier than Porsche and million 911 variants.

[cslwannabe]

I also get the LT but that’s about it. It’s the sheer number of variants they churn out as well. I find the Porsche variants a lot easier to comprehend.

So S is a Super Series, unless it’s a 540S 🤔

[Sway]

Doofus said:

Sway said:

Mclaren models are actually really simple - for production cars, there's two - sports and super.

Within those, they have different spec options, for example 540C/570S/570GT, plus limited ones like the 600LT

Super series was the 12C, then 650S/675LT, then 720S/750S/765LT.

Its not much different from Porsche, indeed there's far fewer Mclaren variants of each gen!

With respect, that's not simple at all, and it's something I've struggled with on my occasional 'shall I get a Mclaren' wanders.

I'd previously understood that LTs were track-focussed, Ss were 'Super' series, and the others were "outliers". Then Harry called his a "Super Sports", which I thought was two different things.

Is a 650S better than a 570S, and what does that mean for a 570GT?

LT is equivalent to pork GT3.

S is just the regular version. They have done "C" or "GT" models which are softer.

500 series are Sports Series - main difference is the lack of the interconnected suspension and the addition of ARBs. Lower state of tune too.

570GT was a 570S with slightly softer suspension and more luggage space over the engine.

[Ken_Code]

cslwannabe said:

I also get the LT but that’s about it. It’s the sheer number of variants they churn out as well. I find the Porsche variants a lot easier to comprehend.

So S is a Super Series, unless it’s a 540S ??

A 540s is super series.

Are you also confused by the fact that a 911 comes in…
Carrera
Carrera GTS
Carrera 4 GTS
Carrera Cabriolet
Carrera GTS Cabriolet
Carrera GTS 4 Cabriolet
Targa 4 GTS
Turbo
Turbo Cabriolet
Turbo S
Turbo S Cabriolet
GT3
GT3 Touring
GT3 RS
Dakar
ST.

Or is that different?

[Doofus]

Yes, it's very different. Porsche don't divide their 911s into series which aren't then referenced in the model name.

[ChocolateFrog]

Ken_Code said:

A 540s is super series.

Are you also confused by the fact that a 911 comes in…
Carrera
Carrera GTS
Carrera 4 GTS
Carrera Cabriolet
Carrera GTS Cabriolet
Carrera GTS 4 Cabriolet
Targa 4 GTS
Turbo
Turbo Cabriolet
Turbo S
Turbo S Cabriolet
GT3
GT3 Touring
GT3 RS
Dakar
ST.

Or is that different?

540S isn't Super series.

Unless I'm missing something.

[Ken_Code]

Doofus said:

Yes, it's very different. Porsche don't divide their 911s into series which aren't then referenced in the model name.

McLaren don’t divide their 750 into series either. You seem to be trying to be deliberately obtuse here, pretending that you don’t understand that within one single model Porsche have vastly more variants than McLaren have across the entire range.

Edited by Ken_Code on Tuesday 25th June 21:58

[Ken_Code]

ChocolateFrog said:

540S isn't Super series.

Unless I'm missing something.

Yes, you’re right and I’ve no idea why I wrote that.

[cslwannabe]

Thanks Sway.

I’m certainly a lot more familiar with Porsche model variants so don’t find them confusing at all!

[Doofus]

Ken_Code said:

Doofus said:

Yes, it's very different. Porsche don't divide their 911s into series which aren't then referenced in the model name.

McLaren don’t divide their 750 into series either. You seem to be trying to be deliberately obtuse here, pretending that you don’t understand that within one single model Porsche have vastly more variants than McLaren have across the entire range.

Edited by Ken_Code on Tuesday 25th June 21:58

I didn't mention the 750. I don't understand S, GT, LT, or the other GT. I'm not pretending anytihng, but feel free to take your condescension elsewhere. Neither of us will be worse off.

[LM240]

Ken_Code said:

cslwannabe said:

I also get the LT but that’s about it. It’s the sheer number of variants they churn out as well. I find the Porsche variants a lot easier to comprehend.

So S is a Super Series, unless it’s a 540S ??

A 540s is super series.

Are you also confused by the fact that a 911 comes in…
Carrera
Carrera GTS
Carrera 4 GTS
Carrera Cabriolet
Carrera GTS Cabriolet
Carrera GTS 4 Cabriolet
Targa 4 GTS
Turbo
Turbo Cabriolet
Turbo S
Turbo S Cabriolet
GT3
GT3 Touring
GT3 RS
Dakar
ST.

Or is that different?

The hierarchy of the 911 models listed are very easy to understand. Adding cabriolet isn’t a toughy to get the head around either.

Actually wonder why a Turbo Targa has never been done.

The McLaren numbering and models has been harder to follow. I couldnt tell you off the top of my head what the latest version of the models are. I know 720 has changed, but I wouldn’t put money on guessing the exact number now.

Harry’s McLaren looks lovely and seems a nice find with all those extras. Be interesting to see if there’s any issues along the way. I do wonder whether stories of being unreliable are blown out of proportion. Like certain things on different makes and models, once there’s been a couple of issues, it soon becomes repeated internet ‘fact’.

[E90_M3Ross]

Doofus said:

Yes, it's very different. Porsche don't divide their 911s into series which aren't then referenced in the model name.

Think of it this way:

540S/sports series = Cayman/Boxster
750S/Super series = 911.

There. Simple.

[Doofus]

E90_M3Ross said:

Doofus said:

Yes, it's very different. Porsche don't divide their 911s into series which aren't then referenced in the model name.

Think of it this way:

540S/sports series = Cayman/Boxster
750S/Super series = 911.

There. Simple.

Why is one S a sports, amd the other S a super?

What about the 600, 675 or 765? What's an LT? GTS?

Where did the 570 sit, or the 650?

[DonkeyApple]

Doofus said:

Why is one S a sports, amd the other S a super?

What about the 600, 675 or 765? What's an LT? GTS?

Where did the 570 sit, or the 650?

And where are they going to go after the 900 future number series?

At least Porsche stick with a core number or name and just sling random letters and number combos that are vaguely straightforward to follow.

But is it logical to be comparing McLaren to Porsche? One would think it more logical to reference against Ferrari most of the time or other less generic transport brands?

[Ken_Code]

Doofus said:

Why is one S a sports, amd the other S a super?

What about the 600, 675 or 765? What's an LT? GTS?

Where did the 570 sit, or the 650?

Why is there a Cayman GTS and also a 911 GTS?

The 570 was sports series, the 650 was super series.

[Sway]

Doofus said:

E90_M3Ross said:

Doofus said:

Yes, it's very different. Porsche don't divide their 911s into series which aren't then referenced in the model name.

Think of it this way:

540S/sports series = Cayman/Boxster
750S/Super series = 911.

There. Simple.

Why is one S a sports, amd the other S a super?

What about the 600, 675 or 765? What's an LT? GTS?

Where did the 570 sit, or the 650?

Come on, it really isn't that difficult. This now feels like being deliberately obtuse.

Porsche do both a Cayman GTS and a 911GTS. Does this spin you out as well or is it just the nomenclature of the 'normal, but fast' one?

LT is the limited run equivalent of GT3. GT is, as perhaps should be obvious, the softer 'daily' version.

570 is the sports series, 650 is the last gen super series.

[thegreenhell]

DonkeyApple said:

And where are they going to go after the 900 future number series?

At least Porsche stick with a core number or name and just sling random letters and number combos that are vaguely straightforward to follow.

But is it logical to be comparing McLaren to Porsche? One would think it more logical to reference against Ferrari most of the time or other less generic transport brands?

Err, where are Porsche going to go next after 991, 992...

Totally logical, m'lud.