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Ken_Code said:
Doofus said:
Yes, it's very different. Porsche don't divide their 911s into series which aren't then referenced in the model name.
McLaren don’t divide their 750 into series either. You seem to be trying to be deliberately obtuse here, pretending that you don’t understand that within one single model Porsche have vastly more variants than McLaren have across the entire range.Edited by Ken_Code on Tuesday 25th June 21:58
Ken_Code said:
cslwannabe said:
I also get the LT but that’s about it. It’s the sheer number of variants they churn out as well. I find the Porsche variants a lot easier to comprehend.
So S is a Super Series, unless it’s a 540S ??
A 540s is super series.So S is a Super Series, unless it’s a 540S ??
Are you also confused by the fact that a 911 comes in…
Carrera
Carrera GTS
Carrera 4 GTS
Carrera Cabriolet
Carrera GTS Cabriolet
Carrera GTS 4 Cabriolet
Targa 4 GTS
Turbo
Turbo Cabriolet
Turbo S
Turbo S Cabriolet
GT3
GT3 Touring
GT3 RS
Dakar
ST.
Or is that different?
Actually wonder why a Turbo Targa has never been done.
The McLaren numbering and models has been harder to follow. I couldnt tell you off the top of my head what the latest version of the models are. I know 720 has changed, but I wouldn’t put money on guessing the exact number now.
Harry’s McLaren looks lovely and seems a nice find with all those extras. Be interesting to see if there’s any issues along the way. I do wonder whether stories of being unreliable are blown out of proportion. Like certain things on different makes and models, once there’s been a couple of issues, it soon becomes repeated internet ‘fact’.
E90_M3Ross said:
Doofus said:
Yes, it's very different. Porsche don't divide their 911s into series which aren't then referenced in the model name.
Think of it this way:540S/sports series = Cayman/Boxster
750S/Super series = 911.
There. Simple.
What about the 600, 675 or 765? What's an LT? GTS?
Where did the 570 sit, or the 650?
Doofus said:
Why is one S a sports, amd the other S a super?
What about the 600, 675 or 765? What's an LT? GTS?
Where did the 570 sit, or the 650?
And where are they going to go after the 900 future number series? What about the 600, 675 or 765? What's an LT? GTS?
Where did the 570 sit, or the 650?
At least Porsche stick with a core number or name and just sling random letters and number combos that are vaguely straightforward to follow.
But is it logical to be comparing McLaren to Porsche? One would think it more logical to reference against Ferrari most of the time or other less generic transport brands?
Doofus said:
E90_M3Ross said:
Doofus said:
Yes, it's very different. Porsche don't divide their 911s into series which aren't then referenced in the model name.
Think of it this way:540S/sports series = Cayman/Boxster
750S/Super series = 911.
There. Simple.
What about the 600, 675 or 765? What's an LT? GTS?
Where did the 570 sit, or the 650?
Porsche do both a Cayman GTS and a 911GTS. Does this spin you out as well or is it just the nomenclature of the 'normal, but fast' one?
LT is the limited run equivalent of GT3. GT is, as perhaps should be obvious, the softer 'daily' version.
570 is the sports series, 650 is the last gen super series.
DonkeyApple said:
And where are they going to go after the 900 future number series?
At least Porsche stick with a core number or name and just sling random letters and number combos that are vaguely straightforward to follow.
But is it logical to be comparing McLaren to Porsche? One would think it more logical to reference against Ferrari most of the time or other less generic transport brands?
Err, where are Porsche going to go next after 991, 992... At least Porsche stick with a core number or name and just sling random letters and number combos that are vaguely straightforward to follow.
But is it logical to be comparing McLaren to Porsche? One would think it more logical to reference against Ferrari most of the time or other less generic transport brands?
Totally logical, m'lud.
I caught up with Harry's video finally. What a lovely car that 650S is. Have always liked how it married the 12-C style rear end to the new style front which carried through to the 570 etc. If you can afford the running costs, something like the 650S really offers a lot of bang for your buck. Car performance has moved on in leaps and bounds since that car was launched in, er, I think 2014, but the 650's 0-100 time and 0-150 times are still very much on the money.
Sway said:
Come on, it really isn't that difficult. This now feels like being deliberately obtuse.
Porsche do both a Cayman GTS and a 911GTS. Does this spin you out as well or is it just the nomenclature of the 'normal, but fast' one?
LT is the limited run equivalent of GT3. GT is, as perhaps should be obvious, the softer 'daily' version.
570 is the sports series, 650 is the last gen super series.
It's not obtuse. I genuinely don't understand what makes a car a Sports series and what makes it a Super series. Porsche do both a Cayman GTS and a 911GTS. Does this spin you out as well or is it just the nomenclature of the 'normal, but fast' one?
LT is the limited run equivalent of GT3. GT is, as perhaps should be obvious, the softer 'daily' version.
570 is the sports series, 650 is the last gen super series.
Repeated references to Cayman/911 are meaningless because they're different cars. Posrche don't say "Some Caymans are sports cars and some are supercars, and some 911s are supercars but some are sports cars".
If it's just down to HP (570 = Sports and 650 = Super), then say so. But I doubt it's that simple. And I keep asking what an LT is, but the only answer I'm getting is that "It's not complicated".
Wikipedia’s explanation seems reasonable.
“ McLaren launched its current three-tier product structure in 2015, dividing their range of cars into the Sports, Super, and Ultimate Series. Cars in the Sports and Super Series are given names based on the car's power output in PS, followed by a model designation (C for club, S for sport, GT for grand tourer and LT for longtail).
The entry-level Sports Series consists of the 540C, 570GT, 570S, 570S Spider, 600LT and 600LT Spider.
The Super Series, considered to be McLaren's core model range, originally included the 650S, 625C, and 675LT. These were replaced with the 720S in 2017, the 720S Spider in 2018, and the 750S in 2023. The high-end Ultimate Series was led by the P1 and P1 GTR, now it includes the Senna, Senna GTR and the upcoming Speedtail, intended to be the successor to the original F1.”
“ McLaren launched its current three-tier product structure in 2015, dividing their range of cars into the Sports, Super, and Ultimate Series. Cars in the Sports and Super Series are given names based on the car's power output in PS, followed by a model designation (C for club, S for sport, GT for grand tourer and LT for longtail).
The entry-level Sports Series consists of the 540C, 570GT, 570S, 570S Spider, 600LT and 600LT Spider.
The Super Series, considered to be McLaren's core model range, originally included the 650S, 625C, and 675LT. These were replaced with the 720S in 2017, the 720S Spider in 2018, and the 750S in 2023. The high-end Ultimate Series was led by the P1 and P1 GTR, now it includes the Senna, Senna GTR and the upcoming Speedtail, intended to be the successor to the original F1.”
thegreenhell said:
Err, where are Porsche going to go next after 991, 992...
Totally logical, m'lud.
That's the nerd sub numbering system though. This is more about the stickers on the back. I wouldn't know the need numbers for a Porsche anymore than I do for BMWs or types of 737 planes or the rolling stock of GWR. Totally logical, m'lud.
I have a vague comprehension of the 911 sub numbering. The 993 is the one people seagull due to being air cooled. The 996 is the lardy looking one. I wouldn't know what the numbers were for 911s prior to the 993 and while I am aware there is a 997 I don't know what it is beyond the logical guess that it is a newish one.
I've had multiple BMWs over the years but never known their sub numbers. I'll recognise roughly what they are in PH posts but I could stand in a car park of BMWs and point out what was what. I have an Audi outside and I could tell you what sub number that is.
In terms of the actual numbers stuck in the back that's all straightforward with Porsches, Audis, BMW etc.
Doofus said:
Sway said:
Come on, it really isn't that difficult. This now feels like being deliberately obtuse.
Porsche do both a Cayman GTS and a 911GTS. Does this spin you out as well or is it just the nomenclature of the 'normal, but fast' one?
LT is the limited run equivalent of GT3. GT is, as perhaps should be obvious, the softer 'daily' version.
570 is the sports series, 650 is the last gen super series.
It's not obtuse. I genuinely don't understand what makes a car a Sports series and what makes it a Super series. Porsche do both a Cayman GTS and a 911GTS. Does this spin you out as well or is it just the nomenclature of the 'normal, but fast' one?
LT is the limited run equivalent of GT3. GT is, as perhaps should be obvious, the softer 'daily' version.
570 is the sports series, 650 is the last gen super series.
Repeated references to Cayman/911 are meaningless because they're different cars. Posrche don't say "Some Caymans are sports cars and some are supercars, and some 911s are supercars but some are sports cars".
If it's just down to HP (570 = Sports and 650 = Super), then say so. But I doubt it's that simple. And I keep asking what an LT is, but the only answer I'm getting is that "It's not complicated".
LT, for the fourth time, is equivalent to GT3. Track special, limited numbers.
Ken_Code said:
Doofus said:
Repeated references to Cayman/911 are meaningless because they're different cars.
As are sports series and super series cars.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff