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ArgonautX said:
The piston speed is not a problem on this engine, as it's short stroked - 83 mm. For heads to flow better, there are solutions already on the market.
You can spend 50 grand on the engine with the other major Lotus tuner, JUBU:https://www.jubu-performance.com/en/shop/part-jubu_exigeevora3eleven_600-2186So 50 grand gets you a fully built 600bhp engine with a 7300/400 rev limit. Every single piece of evidence points towards not being able to rev this engine reliably past much beyond 7000rpm without spending absolutely colossal amounts of money.
ArgonautX said:
paralla said:
But the solutions aren’t in the engine that Lotus puts in the Emira.
that's true, and I'm not really blaming the engine... Emira failed for various reasons, engine not being one of them. It's good enough. Olivera said:
You can spend 50 grand on the engine with the other major Lotus tuner, JUBU:https://www.jubu-performance.com/en/shop/part-jubu_exigeevora3eleven_600-2186
So 50 grand gets you a fully built 600bhp engine with a 7300/400 rev limit. Every single piece of evidence points towards not being able to rev this engine reliably past much beyond 7000rpm without spending absolutely colossal amounts of money.
you can spend a lot less than that and build a naturally aspirated 2GR-FE that makes close to 400 whp(wheels, not crank) and revs to 8000 rpm. it's been done. Obviously, nobody makes any guarantees on it, but it's been done by multiple people. The basic engine is very good.So 50 grand gets you a fully built 600bhp engine with a 7300/400 rev limit. Every single piece of evidence points towards not being able to rev this engine reliably past much beyond 7000rpm without spending absolutely colossal amounts of money.
paralla said:
I guess I have higher expectations of an engine in an £80K sports car. I want it to be spectacular rather than “good enough”.
Which new cars can you buy today for 80K that have a spectacular engine? I mean, I can only remember Boxter/Cayman 4.0, but a new model is on it's way and it's dubious whether you'll still be able to buy a 4.0 at 80K. ArgonautX said:
you can spend a lot less than that and build a naturally aspirated 2GR-FE that makes close to 400 whp(wheels, not crank) and revs to 8000 rpm. it's been done. Obviously, nobody makes any guarantees on it, but it's been done by multiple people. The basic engine is very good.
It struggles beyond 7000rpm in a supercharged application. The end.ArgonautX said:
Which new cars can you buy today for 80K that have a spectacular engine? I mean, I can only remember Boxter/Cayman 4.0, but a new model is on it's way and it's dubious whether you'll still be able to buy a 4.0 at 80K.
Who says it has to be new? Harry’s replacement sports car wasn’t new. There are plenty of cars out there with a more charachterful engine gearbox combination.RSTurboPaul said:
skwdenyer said:
sisu said:
Yes, the reasons why he fell out of love with Lotus is going to have a long, long tail for them.
Given that he was invited to London to bring his yellow Elise, the whole walk around the factory, signatures from the lads who built it. Handshake and a wave goodbye from the staff as he collected his car at the factory. As one person noted, its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for Lotus.
To give some alternative context this would be like Harry trading in his 2 year old launch edition sports car that he had all of the hoopla above to privately buy a 6 year old Lotus Evora 410.
TBH I am waiting for a car event he can attend where he does not get a prize.
Its a great win for McLaren given that they did not have a history with Harry.
Given Harry’s well-documented consulting gigs with JLR & entirely unrelated heavy featuring / lauding of their product on-screen, perhaps Lotus simply a missed a trick in not hiring him for his product development expertise?Given that he was invited to London to bring his yellow Elise, the whole walk around the factory, signatures from the lads who built it. Handshake and a wave goodbye from the staff as he collected his car at the factory. As one person noted, its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for Lotus.
To give some alternative context this would be like Harry trading in his 2 year old launch edition sports car that he had all of the hoopla above to privately buy a 6 year old Lotus Evora 410.
TBH I am waiting for a car event he can attend where he does not get a prize.
Its a great win for McLaren given that they did not have a history with Harry.
It is public knowledge that Harry was a paid consultant to JLR.
Surprised Harry sold a car with known provenance and his own history, for a used and thrashed - albeit very good - car.
We test drove one and loved it but the prices were already increasing significantly and delivery periods still many months so didn't order one.
Now, you can only order one of their "pre-configured" ones yet they're still quoting a 4 - 6 week delivery period and a £90,000+ price tag.
Except for that money I'd want the touring chassis, dark red paint and light grey seats with a V6 and some convenience nonsense. "No, Sir".
My mind boggles.
Maybe buying a low mileage one in the mid-sixties might actually be a better option?
We test drove one and loved it but the prices were already increasing significantly and delivery periods still many months so didn't order one.
Now, you can only order one of their "pre-configured" ones yet they're still quoting a 4 - 6 week delivery period and a £90,000+ price tag.
Except for that money I'd want the touring chassis, dark red paint and light grey seats with a V6 and some convenience nonsense. "No, Sir".
My mind boggles.
Maybe buying a low mileage one in the mid-sixties might actually be a better option?
RichardHMorris said:
Surprised Harry sold a car with known provenance and his own history, for a used and thrashed - albeit very good - car.
We test drove one and loved it but the prices were already increasing significantly and delivery periods still many months so didn't order one.
Now, you can only order one of their "pre-configured" ones yet they're still quoting a 4 - 6 week delivery period and a £90,000+ price tag.
Except for that money I'd want the touring chassis, dark red paint and light grey seats with a V6 and some convenience nonsense. "No, Sir".
My mind boggles.
Maybe buying a low mileage one in the mid-sixties might actually be a better option?
I think it's fair to say that most supercars have been driven hard. He'll get a warranty so what exactly are you worried about RE being driven hard? Would you never buy a car that's been on track? We test drove one and loved it but the prices were already increasing significantly and delivery periods still many months so didn't order one.
Now, you can only order one of their "pre-configured" ones yet they're still quoting a 4 - 6 week delivery period and a £90,000+ price tag.
Except for that money I'd want the touring chassis, dark red paint and light grey seats with a V6 and some convenience nonsense. "No, Sir".
My mind boggles.
Maybe buying a low mileage one in the mid-sixties might actually be a better option?
paralla said:
ArgonautX said:
paralla said:
But the solutions aren’t in the engine that Lotus puts in the Emira.
that's true, and I'm not really blaming the engine... Emira failed for various reasons, engine not being one of them. It's good enough. h0b0 said:
Uncle Meat said:
I know Harry said he's swapping the tyres, but I'm surprised the dealer was happy to sell a car with 8 year old tyres...unless that was part of the negotiations.
I thought it interesting when Harry said Charlie did the negotiations. Maybe Harry was sold on the car and would have just said "Take my money".skwdenyer said:
RSTurboPaul said:
skwdenyer said:
sisu said:
Yes, the reasons why he fell out of love with Lotus is going to have a long, long tail for them.
Given that he was invited to London to bring his yellow Elise, the whole walk around the factory, signatures from the lads who built it. Handshake and a wave goodbye from the staff as he collected his car at the factory. As one person noted, its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for Lotus.
To give some alternative context this would be like Harry trading in his 2 year old launch edition sports car that he had all of the hoopla above to privately buy a 6 year old Lotus Evora 410.
TBH I am waiting for a car event he can attend where he does not get a prize.
Its a great win for McLaren given that they did not have a history with Harry.
Given Harry’s well-documented consulting gigs with JLR & entirely unrelated heavy featuring / lauding of their product on-screen, perhaps Lotus simply a missed a trick in not hiring him for his product development expertise?Given that he was invited to London to bring his yellow Elise, the whole walk around the factory, signatures from the lads who built it. Handshake and a wave goodbye from the staff as he collected his car at the factory. As one person noted, its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for Lotus.
To give some alternative context this would be like Harry trading in his 2 year old launch edition sports car that he had all of the hoopla above to privately buy a 6 year old Lotus Evora 410.
TBH I am waiting for a car event he can attend where he does not get a prize.
Its a great win for McLaren given that they did not have a history with Harry.
It is public knowledge that Harry was a paid consultant to JLR.
But this "Hawk Thau" of the Green McLaren 750S on the last trip to France made the Emira seem a bit beige.
The Surveyor said:
h0b0 said:
Uncle Meat said:
I know Harry said he's swapping the tyres, but I'm surprised the dealer was happy to sell a car with 8 year old tyres...unless that was part of the negotiations.
I thought it interesting when Harry said Charlie did the negotiations. Maybe Harry was sold on the car and would have just said "Take my money".Regarding the 650s, at £80k it makes sense but over £100k like some of the higher spec spiders it’s awfully close to 458s and even 488s.
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