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Pistom said:
I suspect Harry got caught up with the excitement of the Emira launch and who can blame him.
But, he's had a bit of use out of it and he's sensible about the number of cars he owns so perfectly understandable that he'd get shut once the sparkle started to dim.
For £50K extra he's certainly got great value.
It will be interesting to watch his ownership experience which we can be sure will be reported honestly without much if any YouTube presenters BS or spin.
Great content is guaranteed to be on its way.
It's quite funny that at some point he could have flipped his Emira for not too far off what the 650 costBut, he's had a bit of use out of it and he's sensible about the number of cars he owns so perfectly understandable that he'd get shut once the sparkle started to dim.
For £50K extra he's certainly got great value.
It will be interesting to watch his ownership experience which we can be sure will be reported honestly without much if any YouTube presenters BS or spin.
Great content is guaranteed to be on its way.
paralla said:
I firmly believe that the engine in a sports car is central to its appeal.
Seems to me like the 3.5 V6 got the job done but lacked any sort of drama, theatre, personality, fizz, or whatever else that endears a car to its owner.
The 2GR-FE 3.5 was developed in 2005 and just wasn’t special enough for the Emira.
Even more so now you can have 500, 600 or 1100hp in an EV. Seems to me like the 3.5 V6 got the job done but lacked any sort of drama, theatre, personality, fizz, or whatever else that endears a car to its owner.
The 2GR-FE 3.5 was developed in 2005 and just wasn’t special enough for the Emira.
If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
Purso said:
Interesting point, what is Harrys newest supercar? He has the testarossa and countach but these are decades older. I am struggling to think what he has that offers similar performance barring the p8 which is very quick but still a 4 door car.
He also has the P7, which he seems very fond of indeed. I know it's not a "supercar" as such, but certainly gets close. Wheel Turned Out said:
I think he did by comparing it to the other cars he mentioned he'd take instead; it's not enough of an event like the Countach, it's not cosseting and comfortable like the Rolls, and it's not as involving or direct as his little Elan. The McLaren is much more of an event, but a better driving one than the Countach, and will likely better justify its place in the garage.
If you didn't happen to have a garage full of other classics I think the Emira would probably do very nicely as a jack of all trades (possibly master of none).
If you didn't happen to have a garage full of other classics I think the Emira would probably do very nicely as a jack of all trades (possibly master of none).
sisu said:
Yes, the reasons why he fell out of love with Lotus is going to have a long, long tail for them.
Given that he was invited to London to bring his yellow Elise, the whole walk around the factory, signatures from the lads who built it. Handshake and a wave goodbye from the staff as he collected his car at the factory. As one person noted, its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for Lotus.
To give some alternative context this would be like Harry trading in his 2 year old launch edition sports car that he had all of the hoopla above to privately buy a 6 year old Lotus Evora 410.
TBH I am waiting for a car event he can attend where he does not get a prize.
Its a great win for McLaren given that they did not have a history with Harry.
Given Harry’s well-documented consulting gigs with JLR & entirely unrelated heavy featuring / lauding of their product on-screen, perhaps Lotus simply a missed a trick in not hiring him for his product development expertise?Given that he was invited to London to bring his yellow Elise, the whole walk around the factory, signatures from the lads who built it. Handshake and a wave goodbye from the staff as he collected his car at the factory. As one person noted, its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for Lotus.
To give some alternative context this would be like Harry trading in his 2 year old launch edition sports car that he had all of the hoopla above to privately buy a 6 year old Lotus Evora 410.
TBH I am waiting for a car event he can attend where he does not get a prize.
Its a great win for McLaren given that they did not have a history with Harry.
Uncle Meat said:
I know Harry said he's swapping the tyres, but I'm surprised the dealer was happy to sell a car with 8 year old tyres...unless that was part of the negotiations.
I thought it interesting when Harry said Charlie did the negotiations. Maybe Harry was sold on the car and would have just said "Take my money".
ChocolateFrog said:
Even more so now you can have 500, 600 or 1100hp in an EV.
If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
I think that's key, now. There's no point trying to make the USP of your ICE power. Electric can do that all day long and for a lot less money. If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
You want your ICE to stand out for all the emotional reasons people who like them, like them. The sound, the crescendo as the revs rise, the sound, the responsiveness of the powertrain to inputs, the tactility of the transmission and, of course, the sound.
skwdenyer said:
sisu said:
Yes, the reasons why he fell out of love with Lotus is going to have a long, long tail for them.
Given that he was invited to London to bring his yellow Elise, the whole walk around the factory, signatures from the lads who built it. Handshake and a wave goodbye from the staff as he collected his car at the factory. As one person noted, its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for Lotus.
To give some alternative context this would be like Harry trading in his 2 year old launch edition sports car that he had all of the hoopla above to privately buy a 6 year old Lotus Evora 410.
TBH I am waiting for a car event he can attend where he does not get a prize.
Its a great win for McLaren given that they did not have a history with Harry.
Given Harry’s well-documented consulting gigs with JLR & entirely unrelated heavy featuring / lauding of their product on-screen, perhaps Lotus simply a missed a trick in not hiring him for his product development expertise?Given that he was invited to London to bring his yellow Elise, the whole walk around the factory, signatures from the lads who built it. Handshake and a wave goodbye from the staff as he collected his car at the factory. As one person noted, its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for Lotus.
To give some alternative context this would be like Harry trading in his 2 year old launch edition sports car that he had all of the hoopla above to privately buy a 6 year old Lotus Evora 410.
TBH I am waiting for a car event he can attend where he does not get a prize.
Its a great win for McLaren given that they did not have a history with Harry.
Forester1965 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Even more so now you can have 500, 600 or 1100hp in an EV.
If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
I think that's key, now. There's no point trying to make the USP of your ICE power. Electric can do that all day long and for a lot less money. If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
You want your ICE to stand out for all the emotional reasons people who like them, like them. The sound, the crescendo as the revs rise, the sound, the responsiveness of the powertrain to inputs, the tactility of the transmission and, of course, the sound.
Dunbar871 said:
Forester1965 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Even more so now you can have 500, 600 or 1100hp in an EV.
If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
I think that's key, now. There's no point trying to make the USP of your ICE power. Electric can do that all day long and for a lot less money. If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
You want your ICE to stand out for all the emotional reasons people who like them, like them. The sound, the crescendo as the revs rise, the sound, the responsiveness of the powertrain to inputs, the tactility of the transmission and, of course, the sound.
p1stonhead said:
Dunbar871 said:
Forester1965 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Even more so now you can have 500, 600 or 1100hp in an EV.
If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
I think that's key, now. There's no point trying to make the USP of your ICE power. Electric can do that all day long and for a lot less money. If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
You want your ICE to stand out for all the emotional reasons people who like them, like them. The sound, the crescendo as the revs rise, the sound, the responsiveness of the powertrain to inputs, the tactility of the transmission and, of course, the sound.
Although I do find the 400 mile range in my 981 Cayman very useful for European tours and Scottish trips. Especially when you're truly in the middle of nowhere.
Ken_Code said:
It's more, but possibly in the same sort of ball-park. £80,000 will likely get you a decent 570GT, or 540c, neither of which is likely to depreicate as much as a one year-old Emira.
One part of the decision to sell the Emira and keep my 650s was my expectation that the Lotus would be the more expensive car to own for another couple of years.
Indeed, and it's the 570GT/S that I browse when on autotrader. However, it's the running of the car that would really stretch me, I have no fear of running a Toyota V6 manual, where as even the 570, is quite exotic in comparison.One part of the decision to sell the Emira and keep my 650s was my expectation that the Lotus would be the more expensive car to own for another couple of years.
DuncanM said:
Indeed, and it's the 570GT/S that I browse when on autotrader. However, it's the running of the car that would really stretch me, I have no fear of running a Toyota V6 manual, where as even the 570, is quite exotic in comparison.
That’s understandable, there’s definitely a possibility of a big bill with a McLaren, or the cost of a £5,000 warranty if you prefer that route.Dunbar871 said:
p1stonhead said:
Dunbar871 said:
Forester1965 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Even more so now you can have 500, 600 or 1100hp in an EV.
If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
I think that's key, now. There's no point trying to make the USP of your ICE power. Electric can do that all day long and for a lot less money. If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
You want your ICE to stand out for all the emotional reasons people who like them, like them. The sound, the crescendo as the revs rise, the sound, the responsiveness of the powertrain to inputs, the tactility of the transmission and, of course, the sound.
Although I do find the 400 mile range in my 981 Cayman very useful for European tours and Scottish trips. Especially when you're truly in the middle of nowhere.
paralla said:
I firmly believe that the engine in a sports car is central to its appeal.
Seems to me like the 3.5 V6 got the job done but lacked any sort of drama, theatre, personality, fizz, or whatever else that endears a car to its owner.
The 2GR-FE 3.5 was developed in 2005 and just wasn’t special enough for the Emira.
The 2GR-FE is an fantastic engine.Seems to me like the 3.5 V6 got the job done but lacked any sort of drama, theatre, personality, fizz, or whatever else that endears a car to its owner.
The 2GR-FE 3.5 was developed in 2005 and just wasn’t special enough for the Emira.
The issue Lotus have is that, for whatever reason known only to them, they decided to mount it transversly in the back, thus limiting the choice of gearboxes.
2GR-FE only really needs new lifters to work reliably at over 8000 rpm. With different cams, it will make over 400 hp with no forced induction - people have built engines like this.
Edited by ArgonautX on Monday 24th June 15:38
ArgonautX said:
paralla said:
I firmly believe that the engine in a sports car is central to its appeal.
Seems to me like the 3.5 V6 got the job done but lacked any sort of drama, theatre, personality, fizz, or whatever else that endears a car to its owner.
The 2GR-FE 3.5 was developed in 2005 and just wasn’t special enough for the Emira.
The 2GR-FE is an fantastic engine.Seems to me like the 3.5 V6 got the job done but lacked any sort of drama, theatre, personality, fizz, or whatever else that endears a car to its owner.
The 2GR-FE 3.5 was developed in 2005 and just wasn’t special enough for the Emira.
The issue Lotus have is that, for whatever reason known only to them, they decided to mount it transversly in the back, thus limiting the choice of gearboxes.
2GR-FE only really needs new lifters to work reliably at over 8000 rpm. With different cams, it will make over 400 hp with no forced induction - people have built engines like this.
Edited by ArgonautX on Monday 24th June 15:38
As it is installed in the Emira it’s functional rather than the defining character of the car.
Olivera said:
Yet Lotus have pulled the Emira's rev limiter back to (IIRC) 6800rpm ?
That's because it's transversely mounted and hooked up to a modified Auris diesel manual gearbox, which has limitation on both torque and rpms. That is why Evora/Exige topped out at 430 hp.Quite why they decided to mount the engine transversely I don't know... yes, it made for some space to mount those useless +2 seats in the Evora, but everything else was compromised.
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