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Mezzanine said:
otolith said:
Mezzanine said:
There is nothing beyond Emira for the sports cars.
Eh?https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
I heard this from ‘sources close to the company’ shall we say.
It would certainly seem they're planning such a thing - and potentially with Geely money, showing a bunch of potential future models might not be as daft as the Bahar days.
Interesting point, what is Harrys newest supercar? He has the testarossa and countach but these are decades older. I am struggling to think what he has that offers similar performance barring the p8 which is very quick but still a 4 door car.
Wheel Turned Out said:
I think he did by comparing it to the other cars he mentioned he'd take instead; it's not enough of an event like the Countach, it's not cosseting and comfortable like the Rolls, and it's not as involving or direct as his little Elan. The McLaren is much more of an event, but a better driving one than the Countach, and will likely better justify its place in the garage.
If you didn't happen to have a garage full of other classics I think the Emira would probably do very nicely as a jack of all trades (possibly master of none).
If you didn't happen to have a garage full of other classics I think the Emira would probably do very nicely as a jack of all trades (possibly master of none).
Olivera said:
Cheers.
The engine is an interesting one, I recall EVO car of the year in about 2014 had an Evora 400, they loved the car but stated they engine had reached about the end of the road for competitiveness versus rivals. Yet 10 years later Lotus launched the Emira with same engine? I'm not sure what went wrong, perhaps it still seemed a reasonable choice for a car priced at the much touted £59,995, but at £85k people start asking questions.
Because I ordered it on the day that orders opened I didn't get a chance to try it first, and hadn't really given the engine much thought. After all, if Lotus managed to make a 1.6 litre K series so much fun I assumed they could do something similar with a decently-sized V6.The engine is an interesting one, I recall EVO car of the year in about 2014 had an Evora 400, they loved the car but stated they engine had reached about the end of the road for competitiveness versus rivals. Yet 10 years later Lotus launched the Emira with same engine? I'm not sure what went wrong, perhaps it still seemed a reasonable choice for a car priced at the much touted £59,995, but at £85k people start asking questions.
I don't realy have the language to describe what it s that I wanted, and that this didn't have, but there was no "zing."
I had exactly the same experience with a Honda ADV 750 motorbike. The engine there s apparently based on half of a Honda Jazz's engine, and it felt it. No interest in revving, no feeling of growing pace or acceleration, just something out of sigh underneath me making the bike go.
It's not only about the rev celing eiher. My R1200GS doesn't exactly have a high redline, but it does feel like it wants to charge towards the one that it has. I don't understand how and why the Emira's engine doesn't.
I suspect Harry got caught up with the excitement of the Emira launch and who can blame him.
But, he's had a bit of use out of it and he's sensible about the number of cars he owns so perfectly understandable that he'd get shut once the sparkle started to dim.
For £50K extra he's certainly got great value.
It will be interesting to watch his ownership experience which we can be sure will be reported honestly without much if any YouTube presenters BS or spin.
Great content is guaranteed to be on its way.
But, he's had a bit of use out of it and he's sensible about the number of cars he owns so perfectly understandable that he'd get shut once the sparkle started to dim.
For £50K extra he's certainly got great value.
It will be interesting to watch his ownership experience which we can be sure will be reported honestly without much if any YouTube presenters BS or spin.
Great content is guaranteed to be on its way.
Olivera said:
I'd like it if some reviewers were more explicit in where exactly the Emira falls short. There seems to be a lot of waffle and skirting around outright criticism.
@DrPittenstein on YouTube is a Lotus nut, he reviewed the Emira and suggested they ran out of development budget and/or had to cut back the production cars due to ballooning costs. Hence the extremely odd anachronism of choosing between touring and sport springs, as even hot hatches have been fitted with ~20 stage adaptive DCC dampers for many years.
I'd love an Emira, everything I want in a sports car, a gorgeous car, and with Toyota running gear, a realistic future ownership prospect for me. I also hate the idea of losing the tactile pleasure of a manual gearbox, and so in that respect, it's more appealing than the 650S. @DrPittenstein on YouTube is a Lotus nut, he reviewed the Emira and suggested they ran out of development budget and/or had to cut back the production cars due to ballooning costs. Hence the extremely odd anachronism of choosing between touring and sport springs, as even hot hatches have been fitted with ~20 stage adaptive DCC dampers for many years.
Mclaren ownership would require me to be at a much higher price point than I am now, a dream car sure, but it comes with dream car financial responsibilities.
Obviously I don’t know Harry but I get the impression he was in the mindset like me where the resurgence of Lotus was really exciting to see and wanted to be a part of it.
I had an Emira on order and legitimately saw myself becoming an all Lotus household in this decade. But then Lotus did a spectacular job of repeatedly fire bombing any good will I had for them.
To the point when I eventually got a test drive, it wasn’t totally knockout amazing I cancelled it. Putting Lotus on my list of companies not to bother with in the future.
It since becoming clear the EVs have very little to do with Hethal just reinforces that. I just don’t think Lotus are becoming the company we all hoped they would be under Geely. Which kind of sours the Emira from being the beginning of a great future of Hethal designed cars to the symbol of when it all changed in many ways for the worse. Although I’m sure they will be vastly more successful than previously.
I had an Emira on order and legitimately saw myself becoming an all Lotus household in this decade. But then Lotus did a spectacular job of repeatedly fire bombing any good will I had for them.
To the point when I eventually got a test drive, it wasn’t totally knockout amazing I cancelled it. Putting Lotus on my list of companies not to bother with in the future.
It since becoming clear the EVs have very little to do with Hethal just reinforces that. I just don’t think Lotus are becoming the company we all hoped they would be under Geely. Which kind of sours the Emira from being the beginning of a great future of Hethal designed cars to the symbol of when it all changed in many ways for the worse. Although I’m sure they will be vastly more successful than previously.
DuncanM said:
I'd love an Emira, everything I want in a sports car, a gorgeous car, and with Toyota running gear, a realistic future ownership prospect for me. I also hate the idea of losing the tactile pleasure of a manual gearbox, and so in that respect, it's more appealing than the 650S.
Mclaren ownership would require me to be at a much higher price point than I am now, a dream car sure, but it comes with dream car financial responsibilities.
It's more, but possibly in the same sort of ball-park. £80,000 will likely get you a decent 570GT, or 540c, neither of which is likely to depreicate as much as a one year-old Emira.Mclaren ownership would require me to be at a much higher price point than I am now, a dream car sure, but it comes with dream car financial responsibilities.
One part of the decision to sell the Emira and keep my 650s was my expectation that the Lotus would be the more expensive car to own for another couple of years.
I firmly believe that the engine in a sports car is central to its appeal.
Seems to me like the 3.5 V6 got the job done but lacked any sort of drama, theatre, personality, fizz, or whatever else that endears a car to its owner.
The 2GR-FE 3.5 was developed in 2005 and just wasn’t special enough for the Emira.
Seems to me like the 3.5 V6 got the job done but lacked any sort of drama, theatre, personality, fizz, or whatever else that endears a car to its owner.
The 2GR-FE 3.5 was developed in 2005 and just wasn’t special enough for the Emira.
I’d like to try the four cylinder version, and would love to try one once any unnecessary restrictions on it have been removed.
I think it’s very possible that that engine was turned down so as not to detract from the V6, and that once turned back up again it could be a far better match to the car.
I think it’s very possible that that engine was turned down so as not to detract from the V6, and that once turned back up again it could be a far better match to the car.
Ken_Code said:
Olivera said:
I'd like it if some reviewers were more explicit in where exactly the Emira falls short. There seems to be a lot of waffle and skirting around outright criticism.
@DrPittenstein on YouTube is a Lotus nut, he reviewed the Emira and suggested they ran out of development budget. Hence the extremely odd anachronism of choosing between touring and sport springs, as even hot hatches have been fitted with ~20 stage adaptive DCC dampers for many years.
I don't like the V6 engine. It doesn't feel "lively", which for me is down to the slow-revving nature of it, the shape of the torque curve, and the low rev limit.@DrPittenstein on YouTube is a Lotus nut, he reviewed the Emira and suggested they ran out of development budget. Hence the extremely odd anachronism of choosing between touring and sport springs, as even hot hatches have been fitted with ~20 stage adaptive DCC dampers for many years.
I also didn't like the sound.
Taken together this meant that the car felt slower than it really was, with a less responsive throttle than I would like.
I was extremely happy with how it drove, how comfortable it was, with the perveived build quality, and with how it looked.
Pistom said:
I suspect Harry got caught up with the excitement of the Emira launch and who can blame him.
But, he's had a bit of use out of it and he's sensible about the number of cars he owns so perfectly understandable that he'd get shut once the sparkle started to dim.
For £50K extra he's certainly got great value.
It will be interesting to watch his ownership experience which we can be sure will be reported honestly without much if any YouTube presenters BS or spin.
Great content is guaranteed to be on its way.
It's quite funny that at some point he could have flipped his Emira for not too far off what the 650 costBut, he's had a bit of use out of it and he's sensible about the number of cars he owns so perfectly understandable that he'd get shut once the sparkle started to dim.
For £50K extra he's certainly got great value.
It will be interesting to watch his ownership experience which we can be sure will be reported honestly without much if any YouTube presenters BS or spin.
Great content is guaranteed to be on its way.
paralla said:
I firmly believe that the engine in a sports car is central to its appeal.
Seems to me like the 3.5 V6 got the job done but lacked any sort of drama, theatre, personality, fizz, or whatever else that endears a car to its owner.
The 2GR-FE 3.5 was developed in 2005 and just wasn’t special enough for the Emira.
Even more so now you can have 500, 600 or 1100hp in an EV. Seems to me like the 3.5 V6 got the job done but lacked any sort of drama, theatre, personality, fizz, or whatever else that endears a car to its owner.
The 2GR-FE 3.5 was developed in 2005 and just wasn’t special enough for the Emira.
If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
Purso said:
Interesting point, what is Harrys newest supercar? He has the testarossa and countach but these are decades older. I am struggling to think what he has that offers similar performance barring the p8 which is very quick but still a 4 door car.
He also has the P7, which he seems very fond of indeed. I know it's not a "supercar" as such, but certainly gets close. Wheel Turned Out said:
I think he did by comparing it to the other cars he mentioned he'd take instead; it's not enough of an event like the Countach, it's not cosseting and comfortable like the Rolls, and it's not as involving or direct as his little Elan. The McLaren is much more of an event, but a better driving one than the Countach, and will likely better justify its place in the garage.
If you didn't happen to have a garage full of other classics I think the Emira would probably do very nicely as a jack of all trades (possibly master of none).
If you didn't happen to have a garage full of other classics I think the Emira would probably do very nicely as a jack of all trades (possibly master of none).
sisu said:
Yes, the reasons why he fell out of love with Lotus is going to have a long, long tail for them.
Given that he was invited to London to bring his yellow Elise, the whole walk around the factory, signatures from the lads who built it. Handshake and a wave goodbye from the staff as he collected his car at the factory. As one person noted, its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for Lotus.
To give some alternative context this would be like Harry trading in his 2 year old launch edition sports car that he had all of the hoopla above to privately buy a 6 year old Lotus Evora 410.
TBH I am waiting for a car event he can attend where he does not get a prize.
Its a great win for McLaren given that they did not have a history with Harry.
Given Harry’s well-documented consulting gigs with JLR & entirely unrelated heavy featuring / lauding of their product on-screen, perhaps Lotus simply a missed a trick in not hiring him for his product development expertise?Given that he was invited to London to bring his yellow Elise, the whole walk around the factory, signatures from the lads who built it. Handshake and a wave goodbye from the staff as he collected his car at the factory. As one person noted, its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for Lotus.
To give some alternative context this would be like Harry trading in his 2 year old launch edition sports car that he had all of the hoopla above to privately buy a 6 year old Lotus Evora 410.
TBH I am waiting for a car event he can attend where he does not get a prize.
Its a great win for McLaren given that they did not have a history with Harry.
Uncle Meat said:
I know Harry said he's swapping the tyres, but I'm surprised the dealer was happy to sell a car with 8 year old tyres...unless that was part of the negotiations.
I thought it interesting when Harry said Charlie did the negotiations. Maybe Harry was sold on the car and would have just said "Take my money".ChocolateFrog said:
Even more so now you can have 500, 600 or 1100hp in an EV.
If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
I think that's key, now. There's no point trying to make the USP of your ICE power. Electric can do that all day long and for a lot less money. If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
You want your ICE to stand out for all the emotional reasons people who like them, like them. The sound, the crescendo as the revs rise, the sound, the responsiveness of the powertrain to inputs, the tactility of the transmission and, of course, the sound.
skwdenyer said:
sisu said:
Yes, the reasons why he fell out of love with Lotus is going to have a long, long tail for them.
Given that he was invited to London to bring his yellow Elise, the whole walk around the factory, signatures from the lads who built it. Handshake and a wave goodbye from the staff as he collected his car at the factory. As one person noted, its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for Lotus.
To give some alternative context this would be like Harry trading in his 2 year old launch edition sports car that he had all of the hoopla above to privately buy a 6 year old Lotus Evora 410.
TBH I am waiting for a car event he can attend where he does not get a prize.
Its a great win for McLaren given that they did not have a history with Harry.
Given Harry’s well-documented consulting gigs with JLR & entirely unrelated heavy featuring / lauding of their product on-screen, perhaps Lotus simply a missed a trick in not hiring him for his product development expertise?Given that he was invited to London to bring his yellow Elise, the whole walk around the factory, signatures from the lads who built it. Handshake and a wave goodbye from the staff as he collected his car at the factory. As one person noted, its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for Lotus.
To give some alternative context this would be like Harry trading in his 2 year old launch edition sports car that he had all of the hoopla above to privately buy a 6 year old Lotus Evora 410.
TBH I am waiting for a car event he can attend where he does not get a prize.
Its a great win for McLaren given that they did not have a history with Harry.
Forester1965 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Even more so now you can have 500, 600 or 1100hp in an EV.
If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
I think that's key, now. There's no point trying to make the USP of your ICE power. Electric can do that all day long and for a lot less money. If the engine in a fun car isn't a good one then what's the point.
You want your ICE to stand out for all the emotional reasons people who like them, like them. The sound, the crescendo as the revs rise, the sound, the responsiveness of the powertrain to inputs, the tactility of the transmission and, of course, the sound.
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