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Smollet said:
I couldn’t afford one myself but I know two former owners of McLarens who said they’d never own another due to abysmal reliability and customer service.
The Alfa Romeos of the supercar/hypercar world as Misha described them!Just ran an insurance quote, out of interest. Came out cheaper than an M2…
tim0409 said:
milu said:
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Almost like Harry as fallen out of love with company and there direction so the car lost its lustre.
I got the same impression when he was talking about his Lotus “journey”. The McLaren is lovely but I absolutely love the Emira, especially in the colour/spec Harry chose.Almost like Harry as fallen out of love with company and there direction so the car lost its lustre.
Given that he was invited to London to bring his yellow Elise, the whole walk around the factory, signatures from the lads who built it. Handshake and a wave goodbye from the staff as he collected his car at the factory. As one person noted, its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for Lotus.
To give some alternative context this would be like Harry trading in his 2 year old launch edition sports car that he had all of the hoopla above to privately buy a 6 year old Lotus Evora 410.
TBH I am waiting for a car event he can attend where he does not get a prize.
Its a great win for McLaren given that they did not have a history with Harry.
The Eletre is definitely missing something - namely anything to do with the Lotus brand. I've seen a couple in real life now and was underwhelmed. I had to stare at it for a bit before I realised what it was. I hope it does well because I really want Lotus to do well, but not if they abandon everything that makes them Lotus.
Anyway, I was watching the latest video and at the exact moment Harry finishes explaining why he's replacing his Emira for a McLaren, this ad popped up. The internet ad algorithms couldn't have timed it worse
Anyway, I was watching the latest video and at the exact moment Harry finishes explaining why he's replacing his Emira for a McLaren, this ad popped up. The internet ad algorithms couldn't have timed it worse
I’m not sure Geely really cares all that much. It’s essentially two separate companies with one based in Norfolk and one based in China.
The Norfolk branch is a legacy that is nearing its end.
It doesn’t really matter if the next generation of product has a ‘Lotus’ feel or not to be honest. As long as their electric stuff sells around the world, the Emira is really a minor distraction.
The Norfolk branch is a legacy that is nearing its end.
It doesn’t really matter if the next generation of product has a ‘Lotus’ feel or not to be honest. As long as their electric stuff sells around the world, the Emira is really a minor distraction.
Mezzanine said:
I’m not sure Geely really cares all that much. It’s essentially two separate companies with one based in Norfolk and one based in China.
The Norfolk branch is a legacy that is nearing its end.
It doesn’t really matter if the next generation of product has a ‘Lotus’ feel or not to be honest. As long as their electric stuff sells around the world, the Emira is really a minor distraction.
Yeah you're right, there's little room for sentiment if there's money to be made. If somebody told me that in 15 years we'd see the Lotus badge on some dull, 5 door family estates I could believe it. It happened with MG after all.The Norfolk branch is a legacy that is nearing its end.
It doesn’t really matter if the next generation of product has a ‘Lotus’ feel or not to be honest. As long as their electric stuff sells around the world, the Emira is really a minor distraction.
It does look a lovely spec and I'm struggling to think of anything the Lotus would do better than the 650. Original owner got his wallet reamed over all those carbon trinkets.
Did I hear Harry say the cost to change was the Emira plus £50k? And that included a certain amount chipped off the asking price.
Did I hear Harry say the cost to change was the Emira plus £50k? And that included a certain amount chipped off the asking price.
Mezzanine said:
I’m not sure Geely really cares all that much. It’s essentially two separate companies with one based in Norfolk and one based in China.
The Norfolk branch is a legacy that is nearing its end.
It doesn’t really matter if the next generation of product has a ‘Lotus’ feel or not to be honest. As long as their electric stuff sells around the world, the Emira is really a minor distraction.
Geely should really make sure the Hethel stuff is beyond reproach. If they want a Porsche-like strategy, the profitable MPVs need to be underpinned by cast iron desirability for the sports cars.The Norfolk branch is a legacy that is nearing its end.
It doesn’t really matter if the next generation of product has a ‘Lotus’ feel or not to be honest. As long as their electric stuff sells around the world, the Emira is really a minor distraction.
p1stonhead said:
Absolutely incredible car and for ‘only’ £50k to change, it’s another several levels of car above the Emira.
Seems an utter bargain considering it was a special edition originally.
Assuming however that the car ended up being bought at maybe £110k? That means the Emira was only sold for £60k which seems really low? Have they fallen that far already? I remember not that long ago they were selling for overs.
My Emira with a very good spec and only 1,250 miles on it sold this month for £63,000.Seems an utter bargain considering it was a special edition originally.
Assuming however that the car ended up being bought at maybe £110k? That means the Emira was only sold for £60k which seems really low? Have they fallen that far already? I remember not that long ago they were selling for overs.
Edited by p1stonhead on Sunday 23 June 17:48
I've started the process of selling seven or eight cars and replacing them with two. I like the idea of a Mclaren so will be following his experience with interest. I don't deal well with unreliability. I can put up with odd glitches such as a radio or mirror not working or a hard to trace rattle; in fact with some cars they can be enjoyable to fix, but I don't do breakdowns and I suspect glitches on cars like the 650S are invariably tricky fixes.. Nor will I put up with stupid expensive maintenance requirements when usage is low. Thorney seem to have a very food reputation but I don't want a car that forces me to regularly make use of that reputation.
I know through Porsche ownership that internet hype can be unrepresentative of ownership so we'll see how Harry's car performs against the negative rep that gets touted.
I know through Porsche ownership that internet hype can be unrepresentative of ownership so we'll see how Harry's car performs against the negative rep that gets touted.
Ken_Code said:
p1stonhead said:
Absolutely incredible car and for ‘only’ £50k to change, it’s another several levels of car above the Emira.
Seems an utter bargain considering it was a special edition originally.
Assuming however that the car ended up being bought at maybe £110k? That means the Emira was only sold for £60k which seems really low? Have they fallen that far already? I remember not that long ago they were selling for overs.
My Emira with a very good spec and only 1,250 miles on it sold this month for £63,000.Seems an utter bargain considering it was a special edition originally.
Assuming however that the car ended up being bought at maybe £110k? That means the Emira was only sold for £60k which seems really low? Have they fallen that far already? I remember not that long ago they were selling for overs.
Edited by p1stonhead on Sunday 23 June 17:48
On the other hand, they seem like a bit of a bargain now?!
Unreal said:
I've started the process of selling seven or eight cars and replacing them with two. I like the idea of a Mclaren so will be following his experience with interest. I don't deal well with unreliability. I can put up with odd glitches such as a radio or mirror not working or a hard to trace rattle; in fact with some cars they can be enjoyable to fix, but I don't do breakdowns and I suspect glitches on cars like the 650S are invariably tricky fixes.. Nor will I put up with stupid expensive maintenance requirements when usage is low. Thorney seem to have a very food reputation but I don't want a car that forces me to regularly make use of that reputation.
I know through Porsche ownership that internet hype can be unrepresentative of ownership so we'll see how Harry's car performs against the negative rep that gets touted.
The problem with this, however, is that it is just one car, and also that I suspect his annual mileage will be fairly low. If he keeps it 2-3 years, I suspect it'll do less than 5k miles.I know through Porsche ownership that internet hype can be unrepresentative of ownership so we'll see how Harry's car performs against the negative rep that gets touted.
milu said:
No issues with a car change. I’ve done it enough times like most of us. And what change!
The Emira thing seems odd though.
Almost like Harry as fallen out of love with company and there direction so the car lost its lustre.
Shame really. I’d still love and Emira or Mac.
I’ve had both an Emira and a 650s Spider in my garage for the last year (or more accurately in two different garages) and while they are arguably similar in concept they are very different in use. I’d not got much use of the McLaren in Northumberland, as it seemed a bit too much to enjoy on the smaller roads up there, to the point where I’d prefer to take my Yaris out instead.The Emira thing seems odd though.
Almost like Harry as fallen out of love with company and there direction so the car lost its lustre.
Shame really. I’d still love and Emira or Mac.
The Emira took its place in April last year, and although I really did like it, the performance and sound of the engine never really captivated me. It felt more of a GT car in concept than a sports car, so last month I decided to sell it in and get a convertible GT car instead.
durbster said:
Yeah you're right, there's little room for sentiment if there's money to be made. If somebody told me that in 15 years we'd see the Lotus badge on some dull, 5 door family estates I could believe it. It happened with MG after all.
I can’t imagine a firm like Lotus getting involved with something like a Vauxhall Carlton.E90_M3Ross said:
Unreal said:
I've started the process of selling seven or eight cars and replacing them with two. I like the idea of a Mclaren so will be following his experience with interest. I don't deal well with unreliability. I can put up with odd glitches such as a radio or mirror not working or a hard to trace rattle; in fact with some cars they can be enjoyable to fix, but I don't do breakdowns and I suspect glitches on cars like the 650S are invariably tricky fixes.. Nor will I put up with stupid expensive maintenance requirements when usage is low. Thorney seem to have a very food reputation but I don't want a car that forces me to regularly make use of that reputation.
I know through Porsche ownership that internet hype can be unrepresentative of ownership so we'll see how Harry's car performs against the negative rep that gets touted.
The problem with this, however, is that it is just one car, and also that I suspect his annual mileage will be fairly low. If he keeps it 2-3 years, I suspect it'll do less than 5k miles.I know through Porsche ownership that internet hype can be unrepresentative of ownership so we'll see how Harry's car performs against the negative rep that gets touted.
p1stonhead said:
Ouch!
On the other hand, they seem like a bit of a bargain now?!
I think that the buyer of mine got an absolutely wonderful and immaculate car which has had the early niggles all dealt with, and that he’s got it at a good price.On the other hand, they seem like a bit of a bargain now?!
I do hope he gets far more use out of it than I did.
Unreal said:
E90_M3Ross said:
Unreal said:
I've started the process of selling seven or eight cars and replacing them with two. I like the idea of a Mclaren so will be following his experience with interest. I don't deal well with unreliability. I can put up with odd glitches such as a radio or mirror not working or a hard to trace rattle; in fact with some cars they can be enjoyable to fix, but I don't do breakdowns and I suspect glitches on cars like the 650S are invariably tricky fixes.. Nor will I put up with stupid expensive maintenance requirements when usage is low. Thorney seem to have a very food reputation but I don't want a car that forces me to regularly make use of that reputation.
I know through Porsche ownership that internet hype can be unrepresentative of ownership so we'll see how Harry's car performs against the negative rep that gets touted.
The problem with this, however, is that it is just one car, and also that I suspect his annual mileage will be fairly low. If he keeps it 2-3 years, I suspect it'll do less than 5k miles.I know through Porsche ownership that internet hype can be unrepresentative of ownership so we'll see how Harry's car performs against the negative rep that gets touted.
I'd assume oil and brake fluid at least. Perhaps coolant as well, as fluids will have a life span, not just mileage span. Obviously an inspection of parts etc. p1stonhead said:
Ken_Code said:
p1stonhead said:
Absolutely incredible car and for ‘only’ £50k to change, it’s another several levels of car above the Emira.
Seems an utter bargain considering it was a special edition originally.
Assuming however that the car ended up being bought at maybe £110k? That means the Emira was only sold for £60k which seems really low? Have they fallen that far already? I remember not that long ago they were selling for overs.
My Emira with a very good spec and only 1,250 miles on it sold this month for £63,000.Seems an utter bargain considering it was a special edition originally.
Assuming however that the car ended up being bought at maybe £110k? That means the Emira was only sold for £60k which seems really low? Have they fallen that far already? I remember not that long ago they were selling for overs.
Edited by p1stonhead on Sunday 23 June 17:48
On the other hand, they seem like a bit of a bargain now?!
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