Heads Up - Grand Designs--NEW SERIES
Discussion
The_Sheriff said:
I think the story was that blokes father bought the whole site, the paper mill, the apprentices store and the engine house (which is still a shell). The father then died about 2 years ago and the whole project came to halt untill the son agreed to take to whole lot on. The same builders and architects were used for both properties.
That explains a lot. The couple certainly seemed detached from the whole planning experience. If "daddy&co" planned everything, maybe he just decided to live in the main house as it would be part paid for through inheritence and the GD payment.samwilliams said:
This link might be of interest if anyone's curious:
http://planning.bathnes.gov.uk/PublicAccess/tdc/Dc...
http://planning.bathnes.gov.uk/PublicAccess/tdc/Dc...
Got to love PH. It does provide the answers to a lot of unasked questions.
Simond001 said:
The_Sheriff said:
I think the story was that blokes father bought the whole site, the paper mill, the apprentices store and the engine house (which is still a shell). The father then died about 2 years ago and the whole project came to halt untill the son agreed to take to whole lot on. The same builders and architects were used for both properties.
That explains a lot. The couple certainly seemed detached from the whole planning experience. If "daddy&co" planned everything, maybe he just decided to live in the main house as it would be part paid for through inheritence and the GD payment.samwilliams said:
This link might be of interest if anyone's curious:
http://planning.bathnes.gov.uk/PublicAccess/tdc/Dc...
I love the bit in the application where it says ' And the rebulding of a single storey lean to' http://planning.bathnes.gov.uk/PublicAccess/tdc/Dc...
Nice
dugt said:
why do all the people on grand designs not plan for children, i mean like glass walls, glass banisters and bare metal staircase isnt exactly child friendly
Me and my wife were saying exactly the same thing, the little tykes going to love crawling around on that holey laser cut floor.You can't argue that as a house to portray the architects in a good light - it worked!
Not 100% sure it was what they wanted though inside - the outside they could do nothign about. What was with that plank sticking out of the end with the door above it - something not finished yet?
Wondered throughout the whole programme how they could afford it - both worked in London - but then suddenly they were both near Bath (?)
Did she go back to work after the lad was born - questions that were never answered but I suppose the lad's childcare is not what the programme was about.
In the first five mins me and the wife noticed the building right behind it with the sacffold round it - thought it was one of theirs but obviously not.
Not 100% sure it was what they wanted though inside - the outside they could do nothign about. What was with that plank sticking out of the end with the door above it - something not finished yet?
Wondered throughout the whole programme how they could afford it - both worked in London - but then suddenly they were both near Bath (?)
Did she go back to work after the lad was born - questions that were never answered but I suppose the lad's childcare is not what the programme was about.
In the first five mins me and the wife noticed the building right behind it with the sacffold round it - thought it was one of theirs but obviously not.
Edited by MikeyT on Thursday 29th January 01:23
odyssey2200 said:
and WTF was with the trap door at the top of the stairs?
and the window for peeping toms into one of the bedrooms?
Yep, I thought if they were my friends I don't think I'd be staying overnight.... and the window for peeping toms into one of the bedrooms?
I didn't really like it in the end, I thought it had some incredible potential but it turned into more of an office block to me. Glass and Steel etc.. and the blinking tree indoors. I mean seriously, who the hell wants to come home from work and look at the same tree they have in the atrium at work!?!? I have to say though, rarely do I like ANY final building on Grand Designs, but I guess the clue is in the title.
I don't think the people get slated tooooo much because otherwise I assume they wouldn't get too many volunteers to go on the show? If he spends his time at the end going, well that was s***e, what a waste of a million quid, they should have bought a Barrat House....... I don't think too many people will say, how about we go on that show next year....
dugt said:
sleep envy said:
Hedders said:
Why?
for a number of reasons but mainly because if I get a bucket of bolts dropped on me I'm insuredthe client's land, the contractor's site, the contractor's insurance
in any case with the building in such a poor state who's to say a tile wouldn't fall from the roof?
Edited by sleep envy on Thursday 29th January 08:58
sleep envy said:
dugt said:
sleep envy said:
Hedders said:
Why?
for a number of reasons but mainly because if I get a bucket of bolts dropped on me I'm insuredthe client's land, the contractor's site, the contractor's insurance
Plotloss said:
It was certainly finished to a budget.
That trap door thing and the action of the sliding door all seem to be used by the chap on a 'Please work!' basis.
yep - had they worked that detail out properly it would have looked far better, be loads lighter and easier to useThat trap door thing and the action of the sliding door all seem to be used by the chap on a 'Please work!' basis.
they spent loads on 'perfect' timber for the beams in the main living space and were cost economic in the bedrooms
the beams in the main bedroom looked far better because they had cracked - in keeping with the type of building
not too sure about the dead space behind the en-suite either
Edited by sleep envy on Thursday 29th January 09:04
It was a good programme, and K McCloud at least tells it as it is. He, not us, pointed out that it was like a visitor's centre.
It was a meticulous piece of conservation, superb from that point of view, but I found the resulting internal spaces clinical, lacking in warmth, and unattractive. The bedroom, was not a bedroom, it was the upper floor of a shed. Likewise the lounge was not a lounge and the study was just a spare corner of the lean to. Some of the features were just weird - someone will get hurt on that trapdoor.
The school of architectural conservation is drawn from a rule book, established by Carlo Scarpa I think, which says keep the old and insert a dramatically modern new, physically touching the old in as few places as possible. Nothing wrong with that but equally nothing very original. The result was an architectural photo opportunity which would really only be much use as an art gallery or an architects office.
It was a meticulous piece of conservation, superb from that point of view, but I found the resulting internal spaces clinical, lacking in warmth, and unattractive. The bedroom, was not a bedroom, it was the upper floor of a shed. Likewise the lounge was not a lounge and the study was just a spare corner of the lean to. Some of the features were just weird - someone will get hurt on that trapdoor.
The school of architectural conservation is drawn from a rule book, established by Carlo Scarpa I think, which says keep the old and insert a dramatically modern new, physically touching the old in as few places as possible. Nothing wrong with that but equally nothing very original. The result was an architectural photo opportunity which would really only be much use as an art gallery or an architects office.
If they were only 10% over budget then I'm a chinaman. If they were less than 100% over budget (on the £400k budget), I'd be amazed. Work on our listed building is just hideously expensive. Think of all the labour hours in the project... The architect fees, the QS fees, structural engineer fees.
However, if they do own the other mill project and some of the labour costs have been allocated to that, I guess you can fudge the numbers.
However, if they do own the other mill project and some of the labour costs have been allocated to that, I guess you can fudge the numbers.
Thats too close to the other buildings. As K. Mc said it looks like a visitor center.
So 400k for the land, 400k for the building +bats + other bits so its got to have cost 1mil.
Perhaps they won/ inherited the money. Nothing wrong with that. But appears they didn't have the sence to earn it themselves - as they wouldnt have wasted that much on that property. . Shame they didnt just go for a ready build property in a better location.
Why Bath? Why not South Downs? equally (if not better) views then that mill. Too close to the neighbours.
The best GD was the saving of the tower house/castle. Thats how to do it.
So 400k for the land, 400k for the building +bats + other bits so its got to have cost 1mil.
Perhaps they won/ inherited the money. Nothing wrong with that. But appears they didn't have the sence to earn it themselves - as they wouldnt have wasted that much on that property. . Shame they didnt just go for a ready build property in a better location.
Why Bath? Why not South Downs? equally (if not better) views then that mill. Too close to the neighbours.
The best GD was the saving of the tower house/castle. Thats how to do it.
sleep envy said:
450m2 and they were looking at £1k/m2?
double that and they'll be about close
Thats what I thought.double that and they'll be about close
£60K for the groundworks, which in reality was probably £80K
Leaves under £320-£340K for 26 heritage double glazed panels of 6 units each, 24 floor to ceiling units and absolutely everything else?
There was probably near on £50Ks worth of glass and probably £30Ks worth of kitchen on their own.
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