Alien: Romulus
Discussion
UTH said:
Those who are already putting this latest film in the bin (it may well prove to be rubbish, we'll see).....what would you like to see from a new Alien film if this one isn't floating your boat? Or do you want the franchise to be left alone now?
Should have left it alone a long time ago.Sadly, Hollywood is no longer making new films.
Some Gump said:
UTH said:
Those who are already putting this latest film in the bin (it may well prove to be rubbish, we'll see).....what would you like to see from a new Alien film if this one isn't floating your boat? Or do you want the franchise to be left alone now?
Should have left it alone a long time ago.Sadly, Hollywood is no longer making new films.
It perhaps should have been set on the Engineers home world, and not featured anyone from Earth, to give it the juxtaposition it needed to make it interesting. Show us their civilisation. Show us their technology and why they felt the need to create xenomorphs to destroy humans
As for Hollywood not making new films. The problem is that interesting one off projects don't generate the dollars in the same way as Fast and Furious 96 and anything from Marvel, as the people who go to cinemas regularly are not the sort of people you want in your home!
BunkMoreland said:
As for Hollywood not making new films. The problem is that interesting one off projects don't generate the dollars in the same way as Fast and Furious 96 and anything from Marvel, as the people who go to cinemas regularly are not the sort of people you want in your home!
This. People complain that there aren't enough original stories being told but then no one goes to see them. Of the 20 top-grossing films last year only 3 were "original" stories, two were animated and Oppenheime (which you could argue isn't original). Everything else was either an adaptation of an existing franchise or a sequel. Personally I don't care if something is in the same universe or even if it's a follow up tbh as long as it's good. But there's a real danger we will lose the ability to tell an original story whether it's in a universe or not by not championing original stories.
Slothly said:
ajprice said:
So where do I get the Alien 3 Assembly Cut?
The Pirate place.I don't feel guilty having bought the box set which annoyingly didn't include it.
C5_Steve said:
The Assembly Cut was on the Quadrilogy boxset (which I have), it should be noted though this still wasn't done with Fincher's involvement. It does include 30 mins of extra footage that brings it closer to what it should have been though.
Darn.The boxset I bought was the "Evolution" one (I think) which includes Prometheus, which I could happily live without.
Although Fincher wasn't involved, wasn't it cut to an original script of his? Need to look it up....
Edit: interesting read on it here
https://horrorobsessive.com/2019/06/13/alien-3-ass...
Edited by Slothly on Friday 7th June 15:05
Slothly said:
C5_Steve said:
The Assembly Cut was on the Quadrilogy boxset (which I have), it should be noted though this still wasn't done with Fincher's involvement. It does include 30 mins of extra footage that brings it closer to what it should have been though.
Darn.The boxset I bought was the "Evolution" one (I think) which includes Prometheus, which I could happily live without.
Although Fincher wasn't involved, wasn't it cut to an original script of his? Need to look it up....
Edit - it definitely has 2 versions just checked, but a bit unclear as to what the non theatrical release is;
p1stonhead said:
iTunes special edition has the directors cut I think? Is that the assembley cut?
Edit - it definitely has 2 versions just checked, but a bit unclear as to what the non theatrical release is;
There's no such thing as a Directors cut for 3 as Fincher washed his hands of it so it'll be the Assembly cut. Check the run time, if it's 30 mins longer than the theatrical it'll be that. Edit - it definitely has 2 versions just checked, but a bit unclear as to what the non theatrical release is;
C5_Steve said:
p1stonhead said:
There's no such thing as a Directors cut for 3 as Fincher washed his hands of it so it'll be the Assembly cut. Check the run time, if it's 30 mins longer than the theatrical it'll be that. UTH said:
Those who are already putting this latest film in the bin (it may well prove to be rubbish, we'll see).....what would you like to see from a new Alien film if this one isn't floating your boat? Or do you want the franchise to be left alone now?
My theory has always been that the films of the 70s and 80s that relied on SFX (Alien(s) Jaws, Star Wars etc) were brilliant because it forced the directors to be more creative, using music, lighting, tone and off-camera action to hide the wires and all that. CGI has made things too easy, they can throw $100m at effects and create a spectacle but you lose the 'feel'.
The trailers look good to me because at least the tone looks good, it's dark, Xenomorphs are ambush hunters, hiding the shadows waiting to pounce, for me that's the scare factor, not a perfectly visible one jumping about on the roof of a fast-moving space craft like in Prometheus, it's a great spectacle, but it doesn't create emotion.
The director of Romulus had the opportunity to have the best of both worlds, keep the claustrophobic, dark, scary feel of the two first films, but improve things - Aliens isn't perfect, the Aliens move like a man in a suit, the face huggers sort of jiggle their legs as they're dragged across the ground by wires etc. I imagine it needs huge restrain by the director, especially as the Studio will want to create spectacle for the trailer to drag people into the cinema.
The trailer looks like a re-hash of the first two movies. A completely unnecessary cash in for the next generation of punters (see pretty much every other Hollywood franchise flogging of recent times).
If you loved the originals (two) then they can't really be bettered, so just trying to re-do them with 'better' effects isn't going to work. The only meaningful addition to the series is to move on the story, and they've done that, and some worked better than others, but none were as good as the first two.
Which makes me wonder, why bother with this one? It seems like a purely money-making exercise, relying on nostalgia and a proven formula.
The only thing which interests me, and why I will probably see it is the title, and the relevance of the name Romulus. Given the obvious reference to a founder of Rome and the well known story, I'm curious about the film's interpretation.
If you loved the originals (two) then they can't really be bettered, so just trying to re-do them with 'better' effects isn't going to work. The only meaningful addition to the series is to move on the story, and they've done that, and some worked better than others, but none were as good as the first two.
Which makes me wonder, why bother with this one? It seems like a purely money-making exercise, relying on nostalgia and a proven formula.
The only thing which interests me, and why I will probably see it is the title, and the relevance of the name Romulus. Given the obvious reference to a founder of Rome and the well known story, I'm curious about the film's interpretation.
LimaDelta said:
The trailer looks like a re-hash of the first two movies. A completely unnecessary cash in for the next generation of punters (see pretty much every other Hollywood franchise flogging of recent times).
If you loved the originals (two) then they can't really be bettered, so just trying to re-do them with 'better' effects isn't going to work. The only meaningful addition to the series is to move on the story, and they've done that, and some worked better than others, but none were as good as the first two.
Which makes me wonder, why bother with this one? It seems like a purely money-making exercise, relying on nostalgia and a proven formula.
The only thing which interests me, and why I will probably see it is the title, and the relevance of the name Romulus. Given the obvious reference to a founder of Rome and the well known story, I'm curious about the film's interpretation.
The idea for this film comes from a deleted scene from Aliens, which showed a group of kids playing in and around the base on LV426 (it's available on the extended cut). Alvarez thought it would be an interesting angle not yet explored; what would it be like for the kids growing up on a world at the beginning of the terraforming? If you loved the originals (two) then they can't really be bettered, so just trying to re-do them with 'better' effects isn't going to work. The only meaningful addition to the series is to move on the story, and they've done that, and some worked better than others, but none were as good as the first two.
Which makes me wonder, why bother with this one? It seems like a purely money-making exercise, relying on nostalgia and a proven formula.
The only thing which interests me, and why I will probably see it is the title, and the relevance of the name Romulus. Given the obvious reference to a founder of Rome and the well known story, I'm curious about the film's interpretation.
As for the title, Romulus is the name of the space station above the planet that a lot of the film is set on (I'm sure you see the word on an airlock door in the trailer). It'll be interesting to see what the purpose of the station is, I'm thinking perhaps something along the lines of a research station for Weyland Yutani that will lead into the events of Alien.
It's worth noting the film was due originally to go straight to streaming but obviously changed. I'm sure the performance of Prey influenced this and given how good that film was, it seems a logical choice.
P-Jay said:
My theory has always been that the films of the 70s and 80s that relied on SFX (Alien(s) Jaws, Star Wars etc) were brilliant because it forced the directors to be more creative, using music, lighting, tone and off-camera action to hide the wires and all that.
CGI has made things too easy, they can throw $100m at effects and create a spectacle but you lose the 'feel'.
Yeah, I agree. Jaws and Alien are interesting because you don't actually see the creatures on screen that much. It's fortunate, that "Bruce" was so unreliable, it made Jaws a much better film IMVHO.CGI has made things too easy, they can throw $100m at effects and create a spectacle but you lose the 'feel'.
C5_Steve said:
LimaDelta said:
The trailer looks like a re-hash of the first two movies. A completely unnecessary cash in for the next generation of punters (see pretty much every other Hollywood franchise flogging of recent times).
If you loved the originals (two) then they can't really be bettered, so just trying to re-do them with 'better' effects isn't going to work. The only meaningful addition to the series is to move on the story, and they've done that, and some worked better than others, but none were as good as the first two.
Which makes me wonder, why bother with this one? It seems like a purely money-making exercise, relying on nostalgia and a proven formula.
The only thing which interests me, and why I will probably see it is the title, and the relevance of the name Romulus. Given the obvious reference to a founder of Rome and the well known story, I'm curious about the film's interpretation.
The idea for this film comes from a deleted scene from Aliens, which showed a group of kids playing in and around the base on LV426 (it's available on the extended cut). Alvarez thought it would be an interesting angle not yet explored; what would it be like for the kids growing up on a world at the beginning of the terraforming?If you loved the originals (two) then they can't really be bettered, so just trying to re-do them with 'better' effects isn't going to work. The only meaningful addition to the series is to move on the story, and they've done that, and some worked better than others, but none were as good as the first two.
Which makes me wonder, why bother with this one? It seems like a purely money-making exercise, relying on nostalgia and a proven formula.
The only thing which interests me, and why I will probably see it is the title, and the relevance of the name Romulus. Given the obvious reference to a founder of Rome and the well known story, I'm curious about the film's interpretation.
As for the title, Romulus is the name of the space station above the planet that a lot of the film is set on (I'm sure you see the word on an airlock door in the trailer). It'll be interesting to see what the purpose of the station is, I'm thinking perhaps something along the lines of a research station for Weyland Yutani that will lead into the events of Alien.
It's worth noting the film was due originally to go straight to streaming but obviously changed. I'm sure the performance of Prey influenced this and given how good that film was, it seems a logical choice.
p1stonhead said:
C5_Steve said:
LimaDelta said:
The trailer looks like a re-hash of the first two movies. A completely unnecessary cash in for the next generation of punters (see pretty much every other Hollywood franchise flogging of recent times).
If you loved the originals (two) then they can't really be bettered, so just trying to re-do them with 'better' effects isn't going to work. The only meaningful addition to the series is to move on the story, and they've done that, and some worked better than others, but none were as good as the first two.
Which makes me wonder, why bother with this one? It seems like a purely money-making exercise, relying on nostalgia and a proven formula.
The only thing which interests me, and why I will probably see it is the title, and the relevance of the name Romulus. Given the obvious reference to a founder of Rome and the well known story, I'm curious about the film's interpretation.
The idea for this film comes from a deleted scene from Aliens, which showed a group of kids playing in and around the base on LV426 (it's available on the extended cut). Alvarez thought it would be an interesting angle not yet explored; what would it be like for the kids growing up on a world at the beginning of the terraforming?If you loved the originals (two) then they can't really be bettered, so just trying to re-do them with 'better' effects isn't going to work. The only meaningful addition to the series is to move on the story, and they've done that, and some worked better than others, but none were as good as the first two.
Which makes me wonder, why bother with this one? It seems like a purely money-making exercise, relying on nostalgia and a proven formula.
The only thing which interests me, and why I will probably see it is the title, and the relevance of the name Romulus. Given the obvious reference to a founder of Rome and the well known story, I'm curious about the film's interpretation.
As for the title, Romulus is the name of the space station above the planet that a lot of the film is set on (I'm sure you see the word on an airlock door in the trailer). It'll be interesting to see what the purpose of the station is, I'm thinking perhaps something along the lines of a research station for Weyland Yutani that will lead into the events of Alien.
It's worth noting the film was due originally to go straight to streaming but obviously changed. I'm sure the performance of Prey influenced this and given how good that film was, it seems a logical choice.
LimaDelta said:
p1stonhead said:
C5_Steve said:
LimaDelta said:
The trailer looks like a re-hash of the first two movies. A completely unnecessary cash in for the next generation of punters (see pretty much every other Hollywood franchise flogging of recent times).
If you loved the originals (two) then they can't really be bettered, so just trying to re-do them with 'better' effects isn't going to work. The only meaningful addition to the series is to move on the story, and they've done that, and some worked better than others, but none were as good as the first two.
Which makes me wonder, why bother with this one? It seems like a purely money-making exercise, relying on nostalgia and a proven formula.
The only thing which interests me, and why I will probably see it is the title, and the relevance of the name Romulus. Given the obvious reference to a founder of Rome and the well known story, I'm curious about the film's interpretation.
The idea for this film comes from a deleted scene from Aliens, which showed a group of kids playing in and around the base on LV426 (it's available on the extended cut). Alvarez thought it would be an interesting angle not yet explored; what would it be like for the kids growing up on a world at the beginning of the terraforming?If you loved the originals (two) then they can't really be bettered, so just trying to re-do them with 'better' effects isn't going to work. The only meaningful addition to the series is to move on the story, and they've done that, and some worked better than others, but none were as good as the first two.
Which makes me wonder, why bother with this one? It seems like a purely money-making exercise, relying on nostalgia and a proven formula.
The only thing which interests me, and why I will probably see it is the title, and the relevance of the name Romulus. Given the obvious reference to a founder of Rome and the well known story, I'm curious about the film's interpretation.
As for the title, Romulus is the name of the space station above the planet that a lot of the film is set on (I'm sure you see the word on an airlock door in the trailer). It'll be interesting to see what the purpose of the station is, I'm thinking perhaps something along the lines of a research station for Weyland Yutani that will lead into the events of Alien.
It's worth noting the film was due originally to go straight to streaming but obviously changed. I'm sure the performance of Prey influenced this and given how good that film was, it seems a logical choice.
Plus, I'm sure we'll disagree on whether it is actually any good regardless of the quality. As some people have highlighted here, I find it a very different viewpoint to not think Aliens is a good film. Same goes for the two prequels, some like them, some don't. As to the fact it "doesn't seem to be what the film is", I don't know what to tell you. That's exactly what the director has said is the film he's made. Can't really see how any of us are yet in a position to judge whether he's achieved it?
Here's a link to an article which is from a Q&A session the director did following the teaser. Doesn't give anything really away but it's an interesting read and in my view, really shows the care and attention paid to the franchise whilst also being something new. Pay specific attention to the CGI part, should put a few minds at rest:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2024/03/21/fede-alvarez-...
P-Jay said:
UTH said:
Those who are already putting this latest film in the bin (it may well prove to be rubbish, we'll see).....what would you like to see from a new Alien film if this one isn't floating your boat? Or do you want the franchise to be left alone now?
My theory has always been that the films of the 70s and 80s that relied on SFX (Alien(s) Jaws, Star Wars etc) were brilliant because it forced the directors to be more creative, using music, lighting, tone and off-camera action to hide the wires and all that. CGI has made things too easy, they can throw $100m at effects and create a spectacle but you lose the 'feel'.
The trailers look good to me because at least the tone looks good, it's dark, Xenomorphs are ambush hunters, hiding the shadows waiting to pounce, for me that's the scare factor, not a perfectly visible one jumping about on the roof of a fast-moving space craft like in Prometheus, it's a great spectacle, but it doesn't create emotion.
The director of Romulus had the opportunity to have the best of both worlds, keep the claustrophobic, dark, scary feel of the two first films, but improve things - Aliens isn't perfect, the Aliens move like a man in a suit, the face huggers sort of jiggle their legs as they're dragged across the ground by wires etc. I imagine it needs huge restrain by the director, especially as the Studio will want to create spectacle for the trailer to drag people into the cinema.
LimaDelta said:
The trailer looks like a re-hash of the first two movies. A completely unnecessary cash in for the next generation of punters (see pretty much every other Hollywood franchise flogging of recent times).
If you loved the originals (two) then they can't really be bettered, so just trying to re-do them with 'better' effects isn't going to work. The only meaningful addition to the series is to move on the story, and they've done that**, and some worked better than others, but none were as good as the first two.
Which makes me wonder, why bother with this one? It seems like a purely money-making exercise, relying on nostalgia and a proven formula.
The only thing which interests me, and why I will probably see it is the title, and the relevance of the name Romulus. Given the obvious reference to a founder of Rome and the well known story, I'm curious about the film's interpretation.
Agree on most of that. (though I wont be watching this newest one)If you loved the originals (two) then they can't really be bettered, so just trying to re-do them with 'better' effects isn't going to work. The only meaningful addition to the series is to move on the story, and they've done that**, and some worked better than others, but none were as good as the first two.
Which makes me wonder, why bother with this one? It seems like a purely money-making exercise, relying on nostalgia and a proven formula.
The only thing which interests me, and why I will probably see it is the title, and the relevance of the name Romulus. Given the obvious reference to a founder of Rome and the well known story, I'm curious about the film's interpretation.
**I would add that, all the films after the 2 originals have never actually tried to move the story along. Its always been the same old, same old. "stupid characters who you don't care for making dumb choices. And 1 or a number of aliens tracking them down and despatching them like the headless chickens they are"
Only Ripley, Hicks and perhaps Bishop are in any way competent rounded characters who do anything other than tread water till their inevitable demise. And besides the David characters in the 2 prequels the writers of every film have never bothered to give us good characters!
Ironically if this was a terrible MCU film. There would be spin off series from the Alien universe (not you AvP) that explore other races and other creatures. BUt it seems every Aliens is destined to follow the same old formula, slowly gaining the gravitas of Fast And Furious!
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