Commercial Space Speakers.

[Dodgey_Rog]

Just thought i'd pick someones brains, i'm looking for recommendations for a commercial speaker system (12 to 16 speakers). I'm looking for a BOSE Cube type system thats contemporary and elegant in appearance thats easy to mount in the corners of the room etc.

The reason I say BOSE, as its the type of style i'm looking for, but yet, i want it to be cost effective and something i can install with relative ease with some network cabling and a decent amp to run my sound system through. I've been told there are alternatives but just wondered if anyone had found them and what sort of budget i'm looking to spend.

I don't want to use a sledgehammer to crack a walnut, but i would a decent system thats decent value for money.

Any links or companies that you think would be able to supply me the hardware, i'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

Rog.

[cjs]

12-16 speakers, you should really go for a 100v line system and appropriate amp, then they can be wired in one single circuit. Bose will be expensive and they need the sub to make them work, 4 satellites to each sub, so you would need 3-4 systems.

There are full range speakers around which do not need the sub and look okay, finding them in 100v line versions is more difficult. What is the premises going to be used for? Just background music or other uses?

[Dodgey_Rog]

cjs said:

12-16 speakers, you should really go for a 100v line system and appropriate amp, then they can be wired in one single circuit. Bose will be expensive and they need the sub to make them work, 4 satellites to each sub, so you would need 3-4 systems.

There are full range speakers around which do not need the sub and look okay, finding them in 100v line versions is more difficult. What is the premises going to be used for? Just background music or other uses?

A bar space, so just for moderate backgorund music with a view to going to 11 occasionally. I see what you mean about the BOSE, I was hoping to get a recommendation of something thats similar in design and relative function.

What sort of AMP would you reckon on installing? I only want to plug a PC through it to control my music and maybe an ipod and also a DJ point. I'm considering a two-floor set-up so would need to consider a system that can run in tandam and be seperate?

I had a system before in my last place, it was a bolted together with various bits, served a purpose but i was never happy with it, the speaker weren't heavy duty enough and before i got round to replacing it, i sold the place anyway. Doing this one for keeps so need to get it right, don't mind spending a few grand on it for now, but i will see how the space works and then look to splash the cash when its established or on the refit.

Thanks for the info, the 100v line is a start.

[cjs]

If your going to be running a DJ through it our even cranking it up in a bar on a busy night then a 100v line system is not the way to go. You should go for standard low impedance speakers and wire them series parallel

If you need two zones then a 2 channel amp will be needed, that will give you your 2 mono zones, if you want stereo then you will need two amps. Two amps will help you as you could connect 4 speakers per channel to get the correct impedance.

You could get away with stereo Hi-Fi amps however I would be looking at something designed for the job. Cloud electronics make amps and zoners for installations, used in bars and clubs around he world.

www.cloud.co.uk

What sort of budget do you have?

[Dodgey_Rog]

cjs said:

If your going to be running a DJ through it our even cranking it up in a bar on a busy night then a 100v line system is not the way to go. You should go for standard low impedance speakers and wire them series parallel

If you need two zones then a 2 channel amp will be needed, that will give you your 2 mono zones, if you want stereo then you will need two amps. Two amps will help you as you could connect 4 speakers per channel to get the correct impedance.

You could get away with stereo Hi-Fi amps however I would be looking at something designed for the job. Cloud electronics make amps and zoners for installations, used in bars and clubs around he world.

www.cloud.co.uk

What sort of budget do you have?

Well, at this stage a few grand, no more. The space/s aren't massive, they're good spaces and i want a decent sound that means no distortion and terrible bass, so anyone living nearby gets that drone all night and calls the fuzz on me.

Of course, when i get it sorted and no what i need for the future, i'll throw some more money at it.

[Loaded1me]

The link below is for a professional set-up.
I used to work as a sound engineer and and I'd reckon that for what your doing the Bose 802's would work well.

HTH.

http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_P...

[cjs]

Dodgey_Rog said:

cjs said:

If your going to be running a DJ through it our even cranking it up in a bar on a busy night then a 100v line system is not the way to go. You should go for standard low impedance speakers and wire them series parallel

If you need two zones then a 2 channel amp will be needed, that will give you your 2 mono zones, if you want stereo then you will need two amps. Two amps will help you as you could connect 4 speakers per channel to get the correct impedance.

You could get away with stereo Hi-Fi amps however I would be looking at something designed for the job. Cloud electronics make amps and zoners for installations, used in bars and clubs around he world.

www.cloud.co.uk

What sort of budget do you have?

Well, at this stage a few grand, no more. The space/s aren't massive, they're good spaces and i want a decent sound that means no distortion and terrible bass, so anyone living nearby gets that drone all night and calls the fuzz on me.

Of course, when i get it sorted and no what i need for the future, i'll throw some more money at it.

If you only have a few grand then you will need to be looking at some low cost stuff, 16 speakers at £150 each plus a couple of amps at say £500 each and a mixer/zoner £300, plus brackets, cable, etc. You're already near £5k, and that is with some cheap £150 boom boom disco speakers. You should also be looking at a limiter to protect the system and keep the neighbours happy.

[Dodgey_Rog]

cjs said:

Dodgey_Rog said:

cjs said:

If your going to be running a DJ through it our even cranking it up in a bar on a busy night then a 100v line system is not the way to go. You should go for standard low impedance speakers and wire them series parallel

If you need two zones then a 2 channel amp will be needed, that will give you your 2 mono zones, if you want stereo then you will need two amps. Two amps will help you as you could connect 4 speakers per channel to get the correct impedance.

You could get away with stereo Hi-Fi amps however I would be looking at something designed for the job. Cloud electronics make amps and zoners for installations, used in bars and clubs around he world.

www.cloud.co.uk

What sort of budget do you have?

Well, at this stage a few grand, no more. The space/s aren't massive, they're good spaces and i want a decent sound that means no distortion and terrible bass, so anyone living nearby gets that drone all night and calls the fuzz on me.

Of course, when i get it sorted and no what i need for the future, i'll throw some more money at it.

If you only have a few grand then you will need to be looking at some low cost stuff, 16 speakers at £150 each plus a couple of amps at say £500 each and a mixer/zoner £300, plus brackets, cable, etc. You're already near £5k, and that is with some cheap £150 boom boom disco speakers. You should also be looking at a limiter to protect the system and keep the neighbours happy.

Yeah, its kind of chicken and egg at the moment, i'm on a budget and the financial aspect is being scrutinised like a mofo at the moment, i'm hoping to make savings elsewhere and splash a bit more, just thought i may be able to get the basics in, then expand it with time and money.

Thanks for the suggestions though, its given me some direction. Any thoughts on other name speakers, like JBL et al, or are they poo in your opinion?

[Dodgey_Rog]

Loaded1me said:

The link below is for a professional set-up.
I used to work as a sound engineer and and I'd reckon that for what your doing the Bose 802's would work well.

HTH.

http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_P...

Yeah, too big and bulky for my application, thats why i was looking at cubes.

[VEX]

I've used Cloud amps in a couple of bar installs for the MOD.

Video and Audio matrix and then three or four amps give me adjustment in different areas for different seating areas and dance floor etc.

Happy to help out if you want me to have a look.

V.

[Dodgey_Rog]

VEX said:

I've used Cloud amps in a couple of bar installs for the MOD.

Video and Audio matrix and then three or four amps give me adjustment in different areas for different seating areas and dance floor etc.

Happy to help out if you want me to have a look.

V.

Cool, what make of speaker did you use for those?

[VEX]

Hi Rog,

We used a mix of mid quality in-ceiling speakers and some funky on-walls from Polk Audio.

We did not go mad on quality as it is a squadies bar and they'll get wrecked or pinched!

Rather than using large speakers we used a higher number of smaller ones to give a better, even coverage. Then we could also allow adjustment per zone.

http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/owm3/

HTH

V.

Edited by VEX on Tuesday 30th March 16:00