how long before blur ray is obsolete
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Given that a 32gb SD card is available and a typical blue ray film uses less than 30gb.
How long will the blue ray player last,surely once the price of production of SD cards drop to acceptable levels then films will be produced on SD.Therefore making the blue ray redundent,or have i oversimplified things again
How long will the blue ray player last,surely once the price of production of SD cards drop to acceptable levels then films will be produced on SD.Therefore making the blue ray redundent,or have i oversimplified things again
FlossyThePig said:
In a production environment how would you get the film onto an SD card compared to the pressing of Blu-Ray discs..
Thats probably the easy bit here one example i just found in under a min on googlehttp://www.altec-cs.com/media/produkte/copyst_dien...
There are already companies selling usb sticks with data already installed
I some ways I hope it is a long time, though I'd preface that comment with 'or until broadband speeds would enable equal quality film downloads in a reasonable time'. I wouldn't be interested in watching a compressed version (even if still technically 1920 x 1080 resolution) even with the convienience of downloading. I'm not so bothered about having a fancy case for the disc (all my old DVDs are in a CD wallet type thing anyway and the cases in the loft).
My biggest worry is that quality will drop in a similar way to Mp3s verses CDs.
My biggest worry is that quality will drop in a similar way to Mp3s verses CDs.
How much would large scale production environments have to pay for 32GB SD cards compared with a BR disc?
Unless we're likely to see a real, noticeable quality improvement over current HD levels, then probably not for a while.
If you have a good internet connection and the appropriate PC setup you can skip BluRay entirely and just download the BR rips at 1080p to play on the TV. Whether this would be sustainable at a legitimate iTunes level would be another issue.
Unless we're likely to see a real, noticeable quality improvement over current HD levels, then probably not for a while.
If you have a good internet connection and the appropriate PC setup you can skip BluRay entirely and just download the BR rips at 1080p to play on the TV. Whether this would be sustainable at a legitimate iTunes level would be another issue.
OldSkoolRS said:
I some ways I hope it is a long time, though I'd preface that comment with 'or until broadband speeds would enable equal quality film downloads in a reasonable time'. I wouldn't be interested in watching a compressed version (even if still technically 1920 x 1080 resolution) even with the convienience of downloading. I'm not so bothered about having a fancy case for the disc (all my old DVDs are in a CD wallet type thing anyway and the cases in the loft).
My biggest worry is that quality will drop in a similar way to Mp3s verses CDs.
I'm not sure about that... In audio terms, yes quality of mainstream downloads is currently below CD, but on other hand the technology also allows 24-bit downloads which far surpass CD, and they take no longer to download than an MP3 album did a few years ago. When we all have 10-gigabit broadband a few years down the line, who's to say we won't be downloading 48-bit audio recordings and 12960p video streams My biggest worry is that quality will drop in a similar way to Mp3s verses CDs.
i.e. online delivery of media could lead to a much more rapid progression of quality as bandwidth increases, rather than the relatively long period of time it takes to phase completely new media formats in and out.Downloads are a bit of a joke at the moment. The PS3 store wants you to play ~£10 for an overly compressed version with no extras an only stereo sound. Joke. It's going to be a while before broadband speeds become truly broad and allow the downloading/streaming of blu-ray quality video - which peaks at about 40Mb/sec including sound - so I'd say when 100Mb connections become commonplace it'll work.
A 32Gb SD card is ~£50 at the mo; when these things can be knocked out at the price that a 2Gb currently retails for (about £3) then it might be a viable medium for distributing films.
However, (a) this will take a few years, and (b) movie companies won't like the fact that the contents of one SD card can be dumped onto another using nothing more sophisticated than a PC and a couple of card readers.
Of course, SD may well end up becoming the medium of choice for distributing knockoff films (or 40-odd uncompressed CDs-worth of music, or computer games, or enough porn to keep John Leslie happy... )
However, (a) this will take a few years, and (b) movie companies won't like the fact that the contents of one SD card can be dumped onto another using nothing more sophisticated than a PC and a couple of card readers.
Of course, SD may well end up becoming the medium of choice for distributing knockoff films (or 40-odd uncompressed CDs-worth of music, or computer games, or enough porn to keep John Leslie happy... )
Lost soul said:
cs02rm0 said:
If the move to 3D is continued even larger storage than blu ray may be required, which may move watching films further out of the reach of internet connections.
I doubt that will happen , Avatar was a freak I mean the next generation 3D displays TV manufacturers have been developing (which don't require glasses) - they certainly seem to think it's way to the mainstream.
SD cards won't replace blu-ray because they're far too easy to copy.
Expect most companies to move straight to broadband which they can control to a better extent. On demand is far more enticing to them than the size and shape of physical media.
Sony has announced it is launching a 3D channel in America - 3D is currently a buzzword in the industry and will be heavily promoted as a way to keep consumers buying new kit. Content providers also like it because anything that increases the data helps to discourage casual file sharers who pay for their bandwidth.
Expect most companies to move straight to broadband which they can control to a better extent. On demand is far more enticing to them than the size and shape of physical media.
Sony has announced it is launching a 3D channel in America - 3D is currently a buzzword in the industry and will be heavily promoted as a way to keep consumers buying new kit. Content providers also like it because anything that increases the data helps to discourage casual file sharers who pay for their bandwidth.
3D's getting a big push at CES at the moment: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8447432.stm
cs02rm0 said:
Lost soul said:
cs02rm0 said:
If the move to 3D is continued even larger storage than blu ray may be required, which may move watching films further out of the reach of internet connections.
I doubt that will happen , Avatar was a freak I mean the next generation 3D displays TV manufacturers have been developing (which don't require glasses) - they certainly seem to think it's way to the mainstream.
The question regarding Blu Ray or SD card begs the question "Why?" Don't think there would be any advantage to the producers and the only plus for the user would be physical storage space.
I think mass produced Blu Rays are a few pence rather than a possible few quid for 32Gb SD's sometime in the future so I can't see the studios going to them as they are pretty tight when it comes to money.
I can't ever see digital distribution ever replacing physical media.
Reasons being:
There are not enough high speed service world wide that could handle the load. especially when you think that they are loaded enough already with "normal" web usage, think if every man and his dog were streaming full HD movies with HD soundtrack. what if the internet goes down? (your local isp)
Most people prefer to get something for their money, if you could watch it an infinite amount of times that could work, there is always the issue of piracy though, could you log in on your mates telly and watch movies you've bought?
If digital distribution were to be downloads then external harddrives would be a necessity, these aren't particularly reliable, would need to be backed up or you'd need to be able to redownload stuff (ps3 store lets you redownload 5 times for stuff you've bought, leads to game sharing!)
I've seen this discussion come up a number of times, relating to bluray, games and movies. The overwhelming response is that "I'd rather have a disc!"
Reasons being:
There are not enough high speed service world wide that could handle the load. especially when you think that they are loaded enough already with "normal" web usage, think if every man and his dog were streaming full HD movies with HD soundtrack. what if the internet goes down? (your local isp)
Most people prefer to get something for their money, if you could watch it an infinite amount of times that could work, there is always the issue of piracy though, could you log in on your mates telly and watch movies you've bought?
If digital distribution were to be downloads then external harddrives would be a necessity, these aren't particularly reliable, would need to be backed up or you'd need to be able to redownload stuff (ps3 store lets you redownload 5 times for stuff you've bought, leads to game sharing!)
I've seen this discussion come up a number of times, relating to bluray, games and movies. The overwhelming response is that "I'd rather have a disc!"
freecar said:
I can't ever see digital distribution ever replacing physical media.
Reasons being:
There are not enough high speed service world wide that could handle the load. especially when you think that they are loaded enough already with "normal" web usage, think if every man and his dog were streaming full HD movies with HD soundtrack. what if the internet goes down? (your local isp)
Most people prefer to get something for their money, if you could watch it an infinite amount of times that could work, there is always the issue of piracy though, could you log in on your mates telly and watch movies you've bought?
If digital distribution were to be downloads then external harddrives would be a necessity, these aren't particularly reliable, would need to be backed up or you'd need to be able to redownload stuff (ps3 store lets you redownload 5 times for stuff you've bought, leads to game sharing!)
I've seen this discussion come up a number of times, relating to bluray, games and movies. The overwhelming response is that "I'd rather have a disc!"
I disagree, more or less 100%, with everything you have said Reasons being:
There are not enough high speed service world wide that could handle the load. especially when you think that they are loaded enough already with "normal" web usage, think if every man and his dog were streaming full HD movies with HD soundtrack. what if the internet goes down? (your local isp)
Most people prefer to get something for their money, if you could watch it an infinite amount of times that could work, there is always the issue of piracy though, could you log in on your mates telly and watch movies you've bought?
If digital distribution were to be downloads then external harddrives would be a necessity, these aren't particularly reliable, would need to be backed up or you'd need to be able to redownload stuff (ps3 store lets you redownload 5 times for stuff you've bought, leads to game sharing!)
I've seen this discussion come up a number of times, relating to bluray, games and movies. The overwhelming response is that "I'd rather have a disc!"
Bandwidth is only going one way - up, and fast. It's a complete non-issue. 10 years ago I was using an ISDN line at 64KB/s and thought it was fast; I'm now on a middle-of-the-road 10MB/s cable connection. In 10 years time that will be at least 100MB/s and very probably a lot more.
Internet downtime - I use mine all day, every day for work. I've had around 2 hours of downtime in the last three years. I think that's acceptable.
Piracy - that's a software and social issue and easily solvable. I predict that we will soon be using subscription, all-you-can watch models before too long anyway.
Storage - as above, internet will be fast and reliable. Local storage isn't important. The idea of having to go out and buy some media (disk, SD card, whatever) will be entirely laughable when you can just search for anything and watch it immediately.
There will always be a market for physical media in the same way that people still buy vinyl these days, however for the vast majority of people in the western world it will be completely irrelevant within a few years.
freecar said:
I can't ever see digital distribution ever replacing physical media.
Reasons being:
There are not enough high speed service world wide that could handle the load. especially when you think that they are loaded enough already with "normal" web usage, think if every man and his dog were streaming full HD movies with HD soundtrack. what if the internet goes down? (your local isp)
Most people prefer to get something for their money, if you could watch it an infinite amount of times that could work, there is always the issue of piracy though, could you log in on your mates telly and watch movies you've bought?
If digital distribution were to be downloads then external harddrives would be a necessity, these aren't particularly reliable, would need to be backed up or you'd need to be able to redownload stuff (ps3 store lets you redownload 5 times for stuff you've bought, leads to game sharing!)
I've seen this discussion come up a number of times, relating to bluray, games and movies. The overwhelming response is that "I'd rather have a disc!"
I'm sure they said the same thing about music downloads 10 years ago.Reasons being:
There are not enough high speed service world wide that could handle the load. especially when you think that they are loaded enough already with "normal" web usage, think if every man and his dog were streaming full HD movies with HD soundtrack. what if the internet goes down? (your local isp)
Most people prefer to get something for their money, if you could watch it an infinite amount of times that could work, there is always the issue of piracy though, could you log in on your mates telly and watch movies you've bought?
If digital distribution were to be downloads then external harddrives would be a necessity, these aren't particularly reliable, would need to be backed up or you'd need to be able to redownload stuff (ps3 store lets you redownload 5 times for stuff you've bought, leads to game sharing!)
I've seen this discussion come up a number of times, relating to bluray, games and movies. The overwhelming response is that "I'd rather have a disc!"
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