No speakers with TVs?
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Kinky

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39,944 posts

299 months

Saturday 7th December 2013
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I'm looking at buying a new TV - at least 45" in size, NOT 3D, 4 HDMI ports, 2 USB ports, and a network port is preferable, but WiFi would do. Key requirement is that all the ports on the back and not on the side of the TV. Budget up to about £800ish all inclusive.

So I'm struggling to find a tv (any guidance gratefully accepted).

However, the one thing that puzzles me is that none of these TVs don't seem to have speakers. Looking at the selection from John Lewis, they mention that you must have a soundbar, and have a selection available.

So are basically all new TVs basically just monitors and you have to add speakers separately?

belleair302

7,015 posts

237 months

Saturday 7th December 2013
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Plasma's OLED's and 4K and LED's all have built in speakers which are usually an afterthought. Most owners today either install 5.1 surround sound or buy a sound bar depending upon budget, room size and usage. Sadly none of the bigger manufacturers seem to invest in decent quality sound, but spend too much time on very slim screens. As for rear HDMI's, power points and associated hardware you may be pushed as the fashion today for wall mountings is side access. Am not a fan myself but this is the way its going with screens being under 15 cms deep. My old Panasonic plasma has rear access for cables, my new one is side mounted.....

sparkyhx

4,200 posts

234 months

Sunday 8th December 2013
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what he said and the quality coming out of tv speakers is quite appalling. Especially now a days where you don't have a big boxy telly to help.

At least the money is going on the TV instead of some crappy afterthought speaker(s)

DSLiverpool

16,532 posts

232 months

Sunday 8th December 2013
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http://www.qacoustics.co.uk/qtv2-speakers-for-you-...

Invisible and bloody good, only downside is a separate remote

conkerman

3,519 posts

165 months

Monday 9th December 2013
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Just buy a Logitech Harmony with your TV/Soundbar. Do it all with one remote, automatically.

Kermit power

29,622 posts

243 months

Monday 9th December 2013
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DSLiverpool said:
http://www.qacoustics.co.uk/qtv2-speakers-for-you-...

Invisible and bloody good, only downside is a separate remote
That's not a downside! It's an opportunity..... to get one of these!

I've got the previous model Harmony One, and it's possibly the best gadget I've ever bought! It's a universal remote which is activity based, rather than device based. This means that for whatever activity you're undertaking (Watch TV, Watch Sky, Use Xbox etc, etc...) you tell it which device controls sound, channel, play, pause etc, etc, and what the starting settings for that activity are (HDMI 3, DVD input on Amp, switch on Bluray player, TV & Amp etc...).

There's never any need to control devices individually, so it makes the whole system feel like a completely integrated system, rather than a collection of separate components. It's brilliant! smile

As if that wasn't good enough, when my wife knocked it off the sofa arm onto a hardwood floor and the screen cracked, Logitech replaced it free of charge, despite being 12 months out of warranty. biggrin

I don't work for them, but I'd recommend the remote to anyone!

maffski

1,905 posts

189 months

Monday 9th December 2013
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Kinky said:
So are basically all new TVs basically just monitors and you have to add speakers separately?
Nope, they still have speakers - most of them are hidden from the front. They may sound a bit naff depending on how loud you like your films, you can always add a soundbar later.

The John Lewis website keeps mentioning soundbars not because you need one, but because they'd like you to buy one.

Kinky

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39,944 posts

299 months

Monday 9th December 2013
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thumbup

It is quite confusing as no TVs seem to mention speakers on their specs. Hence my confusion. Then as you say Maff - JL pushing soundbars.

All good now. Thank you all smile

Next challenge now is actually find a TV eek

conkerman

3,519 posts

165 months

Tuesday 10th December 2013
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Panasonic plasma.

Cracking bits of kit.

varsas

4,076 posts

232 months

Tuesday 10th December 2013
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I've heard the Sony TV's tend to have better sound then is usual...it'll still be utter rubbish though. Even Sony's flagship 4k TV with the 'magnetic fluid' speakers sounds rubbish, with horribly overblown bass and a distinct lack of detail.

A cheaper option is to make sure the TV you get has a headphone jack and use a pair (or 2.1) of PC speakers. I use some Logitech Z4's I had spare and they're fine for normal TV watching when I don't want to use my full 5.1 setup.

As for exactly what TV the main choice is between Plasma and LED. If you watch sports and really care about picture quality go plasma, if you're watching in a bright room, or are going to abuse the TV (e.g. play games on it, leave it on the same channel for hours) then LED is probably best. As said Panasonic for Plasma, and Samsung have a wide range of LED TV's...you'll have to check individually for your connection needs, and that might be the main dictating requirement. I doubt there are many TV's that have all their connections at the back.

Edited by varsas on Tuesday 10th December 11:20

Kermit power

29,622 posts

243 months

Tuesday 10th December 2013
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varsas said:
you'll have to check individually for your connection needs, and that might be the main dictating requirement. I doubt there are many TV's that have all their connections at the back.
It seems odd to me that anyone would make a set with more than one of any given type of connection on the side.

I have concealed cable routing from my wall-mounted plasma screen down to my amp, Xbox, PVR and the like in a cabinet on the floor below. The last thing I want is all the cables sprouting out of the side of the TV!

The only cable I ever have connected to the side of the TV is a single HDMI cable I use for occasions when I want to plug a laptop in, and given that this is only when I want (and have the room to my self to be able) to watch the rugby for free on BT Sport.

RedLeicester

6,869 posts

275 months

Tuesday 10th December 2013
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conkerman said:
Panasonic plasma.

Cracking bits of kit.
My P55VT50 has truly awful sound on it. Epically st. Tinny and nasty and nasal and shouty and yuck.

The Kuro in the lounge however has excellent sound, but then it's a monitor with bolted on speakers hehe

conkerman

3,519 posts

165 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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But you buy a swanky TV for the picture, do you not? There just isn't enough space in a tv now for decent sound.

AV receiver/soundbar to look after sound duties.

Kinky

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39,944 posts

299 months

Saturday 14th December 2013
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Popped into Weybridge Audio today and was extremely impressed with them. Had a very long and fruitful chat with Nathan. Very helpful and friendly. Also been guided towards a Sony KDL-47W805. Just need to swot up on it now!

aka_kerrly

12,506 posts

240 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Kinky said:
Popped into Weybridge Audio today and was extremely impressed with them. Had a very long and fruitful chat with Nathan. Very helpful and friendly. Also been guided towards a Sony KDL-47W805. Just need to swot up on it now!
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/tele...

http://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravia-kdl47w805-led...

maybe of use..

varsas

4,076 posts

232 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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aka_kerrly said:
Kinky said:
Popped into Weybridge Audio today and was extremely impressed with them. Had a very long and fruitful chat with Nathan. Very helpful and friendly. Also been guided towards a Sony KDL-47W805. Just need to swot up on it now!
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/tele...

http://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravia-kdl47w805-led...

maybe of use..
Saw the 55inch 805 in John Lewis over the weekend. Very, very impressed. Very dark and very bright content on the screen at the same time with no problem, no (or very little) blooming, dark parts are detailed and retain colour, some issues with green but still as good as or better then any other LED. Sadly couldn't check the ultimate black level (probably the most important thing on an LED) as the shops lights were too bright but the test cards looked pretty good. Probably the best LED I've ever seen, and that includes the 4k ones. Blown out of the water by OLED though..looking forward to getting one of those one day.

I think it breaks your requirements by having ports on the side though...


Edited by varsas on Thursday 19th December 13:42

mrmr96

13,736 posts

234 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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TV's are so thin that the speakers are never going to be very good so most people with the budget for a big flat screen are also going to have surround sound or a sound bar these days. Therefore the in-TV speakers are going to be redundant immediately. They only add bulk, weight and cost so if they are never going to be used then it makes perfect sense to just delete them from the get-go.

TEKNOPUG

20,494 posts

235 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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If you really need that many HDMI connections etc, then you should consider getting an AV Receiver to handle all the connectivity. Then you only need a single HDMI to go to the TV.


Darren156

566 posts

222 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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My old Sony rear projection tv had the greatest speakers built in ever. Picture was amazing for the time but the sound quality was incredible. My mum has the tv now. Looks crap now though laugh