engine gearbox package

[lancelot r]

Hey there guys,

I am just about to start the journey into the Ultima..
I need to know what the cost of the power plant 350-400bhp, the porsche gear box, clutch flywheel and adaptor plate would be. All I am after is reliability, no oil leaks and very usable power delivery.

Is this the best set up or have other people muved away from the package? The other thing that worries me is the weight of this package?

Sorry about all the questions, but if you don't ask......

ATB Lance

[Pilot Pete]

About
£7-14K (G50 recon box)
£16-20K (getrax)
I'd go for a LS engine
Alloy block, injection, (don't be put off by cats), all the parts are off the shelf so your not reinventing the wheel.
And it will drop stright in. Lovely

Edited by Pilot Pete on Thursday 8th February 13:22

[lancelot r]

Wow, are the any cheaper options getting the power I want?

Cheers Lance

[Mr Mac]

Or you could start with a G50 from Ultima at £1650 and get a reasonable SBC with carb for around £4k - sky is the limit but it comes at a cost!

Mr Mac

[gtrsimon]

I am fitting LS2 mated to G50 gearbox all fits in quite nice, will have exhasts / engine mounts available if you dont want to make them yourself, Talk to Andy at Gardner Douglas for LS engine info he's very helpfull.

[lancelot r]

So I am roughly looking at around £6500 for the full package????

Cheers Lance

[andygtt]

box will be about £1500
adapter flywheel starter clutch etc around £1500
headers/exhaust around £1500
Engine is on top... anything under £3k for a 400bhp rebuilt motor is cheap.

you will be extremelly lucky if you end up with a SBC that doesn't leak at all.

Edited by andygtt on Thursday 8th February 14:48

[Mr Mac]

Don't forget all the Ultima parts - adaptor plate, clutch, flywheel etc This will add another £1.5k and then the exhaust is another £2k ish

What you will get for your money is a basic spec - if you bought a crate engine from somebady like Summit you would be talking GM Performance 350 HO which would put out around 330bhp and 380ftlb's for $3700 plus shipping. You would need to add the low alternator mount and a decent sump but that's only a couple of hundred dollars.

The AS range is pretty good but a lot more expencive - the same engine would set you back $6800 but will come with all the parts that you need to fit it in an Ultima.

If you can rebuild to "as new" then this is a cheaper option as parts for the SBC are very cheap.

Mr Mac

[GTWayne]

Hello Lance and welcome, now buckle up and hang on, life as you know it is about to come to an end ££££....

[lancelot r]

Perhaps I have underestimated my budget...

Lance

[steve_d]

Take your budget, halve it and add that to your first figure.

Steve

[lancelot r]

ouch, but when needs must

[GTWayne]

All depends on your remit Lance. If you are a patient man then anything you can imagine is possible (within the realms of practicality) but, if you want to get on and build it so that you can use it as soon as, you may find yourself cutting corners. Only you know the type of individual you are and remember; We are with you every step of the way

[lancelot r]

Thanks mate, how long did you take to build yours and how much did you spend on the engine/box?
Cheers Lance

[GTWayne]

lancelot r said:

Thanks mate, how long did you take to build yours and how much did you spend on the engine/box?
Cheers Lance

Too long and FAR far too much?

I did things a little differently to most in as much as I had my motor built first and then went about sourcing something appropriate to put it in. For me, the motor is the most important part and I did not want to build a car to a certain spec and find that come engine time, for what ever reason, I could not build the exact spec motor of my dreams and would therefore not be happy with the end result. Doing things this way round the actual details of the rest of the car would not be so important so as to hinder me achieving a goal. As it happened, the car took five years to come to fruition and during that time I was fortunate enough to build the car of my dreams as well as the motor. Remember what I was saying about knowing the type of individual that you are?
The car owes me well into six figures and it is probably the biggest achievement of my life so far. For some, building and owning an Ultima is something that they have done during their life, for me it feels very much that it is my life and everything revolves around it. I don't remember feeling this way in the begining and maybe I have let things get a bit intense but hey, what can I do, I am GTWayne!

Edited by GTWayne on Thursday 8th February 22:10

[lancelot r]

I am sure that it has been talked about before but has anybody used a modern v8 because after seeing the cost of the chevy stuff with all the bits to get it working with the box the must be another option?
Please help
Lance

[xtr2turbo]

I will shortly be selling the SBC engine, Exhaust, adaptor, starter etc that are in the Ultima I have just bought.

It is a well set up package that kicks out 400bhp. I am only selling because I want much more power and have been advised that best to start with a clean LS series engine.

Price will be around 50% of cost if you are interested.

Might also sell the gearbox too depending where I get to on torque handling capability.

David

[splatspeed]

there are bmw and lexus options that have been used

there are guys in sweeden with 4.0 litre lexus V8 twin turbo'ed

but then at that temp you brain goes crazey

i am going to go with a standard g50 and sbc 400 ci till i am used to the car then developing a second engine to use twin turbo.

i too have spent some time in scandinavia

cluck cluck gibber gibber

[crafty]

The modern version of the Chev is commonly referred to as an "LS" engine.

LS1 = 5.7L
LS2 = 6.0L
LS7 = 7.0L

There are others but these are the popular ones, these are all alloy engines. There are also iron block versions.


If you want loads of info on them dig around on www.ls1tech.com/forums/ - especially in the "Conversions and Hybrids" section.

There's a few guys here with LS engines... I have a Magnacharged LS2 in mine.