My first race car purchase. CSCC TinTops
Discussion
Have finally freed up funds to spend on arace car. Now I have decided to enter the CSCC tin tops as it runs alongside our RAFMSA champs, allowing me two races per event.
I have been looking at a car which for now I can potentially drive to the meetings, as my pors 96 licence wont let me trailer one. Can I have some views on the below car being suitable and any problems I may encounter.
It will have the fire system, rain light and anything else deficient added. I would think in class B it should be pretty fun, or should I be setting my sights lower on class D?
Won't be offended with any comments.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2582488.htm
or would this be better? http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2477747.htm
Alex
I have been looking at a car which for now I can potentially drive to the meetings, as my pors 96 licence wont let me trailer one. Can I have some views on the below car being suitable and any problems I may encounter.
It will have the fire system, rain light and anything else deficient added. I would think in class B it should be pretty fun, or should I be setting my sights lower on class D?
Won't be offended with any comments.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2582488.htm
or would this be better? http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2477747.htm
Alex
He is also fitting the kill switches, and I would prob put a lighter Race battery in, and giggle things around. The Teg is build by xsports racing and has all the tags. What, where and how is your first scruitineering done? Belts and seats are new and in date.
Edited by vauxh al on Friday 11th March 19:48
your first scrutineering will be done at the first round you enter
integra's are a good solid base i think but reckon could be expensive to run,bearing in mind spares wont be that cheap even 2nd hand stuff,whereas a 106 you could buy yourself a whole spare car for the price of an integra engine
integra's are a good solid base i think but reckon could be expensive to run,bearing in mind spares wont be that cheap even 2nd hand stuff,whereas a 106 you could buy yourself a whole spare car for the price of an integra engine
Trying to find the 106... is it road leagal?
Also the option is buying into the new civic buddy club series, cars are heavily discounted on proviso of two seasons racing. 6800 inc vat for a fresh build ek9 civic. And looks a tightly controlled series, so its not about how much cash you have.
edit this one?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2535070.htm
Also the option is buying into the new civic buddy club series, cars are heavily discounted on proviso of two seasons racing. 6800 inc vat for a fresh build ek9 civic. And looks a tightly controlled series, so its not about how much cash you have.
edit this one?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2535070.htm
Edited by vauxh al on Friday 11th March 19:53
I'm not expecting to be full of money after starting this, but in the last year of 4x4 playing I have easily burnt 6k, so should think that would cover most of my season if I did the same this year. The RAF will also support some of the cost. It's something I will regret not doing if I don't try it, loved getting my ARDS last year and winning the VXR Power Festival event at Silverstone. Now I need to get stuck into a scary season of a novice.
frodo_monkey said:
Mate, are you on the RAFMSA forum? I am, we should chat...
You can trailer a car on a 1997-on licence, I do! If you have questions or want to talk about cars etc, drop me an email
Frodo
Hi,You can trailer a car on a 1997-on licence, I do! If you have questions or want to talk about cars etc, drop me an email
Frodo
Not on the froum yet, met Brian at Coombe from Corsham, and he was going to email me...
I was thinking the weight limit was 750kg? This whole trailer licence thing is a pita, was gonna see if MT would upgrade me. I have a disco so that would be tow car and with a trailer and car on it im over 3.5 tonne.
Emaile back
Brian runs the forum, drop him an email and get on there - plenty of advice about general cars and the series!
You're allowed 3500kgs MAM - the 750kg limit is for unbraked trailers. The Disco plus trailer would be too heavy though, might need to change towcar... We have tried to get MT to help with the licences, they won't unless you need HGV as part of your trade duties.
Brian runs the forum, drop him an email and get on there - plenty of advice about general cars and the series!
You're allowed 3500kgs MAM - the 750kg limit is for unbraked trailers. The Disco plus trailer would be too heavy though, might need to change towcar... We have tried to get MT to help with the licences, they won't unless you need HGV as part of your trade duties.
with regards to the mr2 then no its not elligiable for the tin tops but i believe it is for the future classics as some people used to do both those races and the mr2 challenge when we were at the same meetings. but they were never hugely competitve and you can get newly built cars for 3995 from stoner racing.
The MR2 is eligible for CSCC "Future Classics" and the Integra for CSCC "Tin Tops".
In my view the Integra will be absolutely ideal for Tin Tops Class B, probably potentially a class winner, and will give far better results in the overall classifications. (The later DC5 Integras and 2 litre Civic Type Rs are in the higher Class A so you are not directly competing with them). Finally it has the potential to retain its price better as a "classic" that was once described by Evo magazine as the best handling FWD car ever. It would be the Integra for me, absolutely no question.
In my view the Integra will be absolutely ideal for Tin Tops Class B, probably potentially a class winner, and will give far better results in the overall classifications. (The later DC5 Integras and 2 litre Civic Type Rs are in the higher Class A so you are not directly competing with them). Finally it has the potential to retain its price better as a "classic" that was once described by Evo magazine as the best handling FWD car ever. It would be the Integra for me, absolutely no question.
get your tailer licence sorted. I did it, was easy. only cost about £320 with an afternoons worth training too. It would have only taken me a week from inquiring about it to passing test but the snow cancelled the test and i had to do it a week later.
it much less of a pain than driving a race car to the track.
it much less of a pain than driving a race car to the track.
Buy a car thats already been raced and proven its reliable (recently).
It will make life so much easier than buying something that someone else has part built but never raced yet - because you then have to go through the process of making it right.
Nothing worse than when things go wrong in race meeting you have no time to fix and cant race - the cost of having entered the race and time to get there etc all wasted if not reliable.
Driving to a from the circuit is not ideal I've only done it once and it affects how you drive compared with using a trailer as normal.
It will make life so much easier than buying something that someone else has part built but never raced yet - because you then have to go through the process of making it right.
Nothing worse than when things go wrong in race meeting you have no time to fix and cant race - the cost of having entered the race and time to get there etc all wasted if not reliable.
Driving to a from the circuit is not ideal I've only done it once and it affects how you drive compared with using a trailer as normal.
personally i just wouldnt bother with a road legal car.
aside from the stress on components of driving a racing engine the length and breadth of the country, i have a friend who races a road legal car and he can only just bring himself to go for the 50/50 overtakes, its not worth the risk when the other guys have trailers so its a waste of time and money if you cant race back so you may as well go sprinting.
furthermore the amount of kit (awning, spare parts, tools etc etc) you will need to take to the race means you will need a mate in another car anyway so you might as well just buy a tow car and trailer.
aside from the stress on components of driving a racing engine the length and breadth of the country, i have a friend who races a road legal car and he can only just bring himself to go for the 50/50 overtakes, its not worth the risk when the other guys have trailers so its a waste of time and money if you cant race back so you may as well go sprinting.
furthermore the amount of kit (awning, spare parts, tools etc etc) you will need to take to the race means you will need a mate in another car anyway so you might as well just buy a tow car and trailer.
Last year at one of the NSSCC races at Croft there was a guy that drove his car to the meeting.
He drove up from Cornwall (might have been Devon but still a long way) he raced an old Scirocco like this one:
http://sciroccoregisterforum.co.uk/faq/wp-content/...
He was just trying to race at every circuit in the UK.
He had two Toyos for front and all his camping gear in the car, left them in the paddock when he was out racing.
So it can be done but depends on how want to do it.
He drove up from Cornwall (might have been Devon but still a long way) he raced an old Scirocco like this one:
http://sciroccoregisterforum.co.uk/faq/wp-content/...
He was just trying to race at every circuit in the UK.
He had two Toyos for front and all his camping gear in the car, left them in the paddock when he was out racing.
So it can be done but depends on how want to do it.
vauxh al said:
Is a mini classic eligible For CSCC tin tops and would it be a contender?
It's the White with black roof one on classifieds for 8.5k has msa log book already.
Minis are interesting prospects for CSCC races as they are almost certainly eligible for "Swinging Sixties" (even if the actual cars is a later car than the 60s), "Tin Tops" & "Future Classics" !!(as long as they conform to the series regs - original size & shape shell, original type engine - albeit it could be oversize - & gearbox etc).It's the White with black roof one on classifieds for 8.5k has msa log book already.
Would almost certainly be competitive in Swinging Sixties & the up to 1400cc class of Tin Tops.
Thanks Andy, sounds like a promising car then.
This is the one in question.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2477888.htm
It is running 118 bhp @ wheels, so should be as competitive as the teg, and already more set up.
This is the one in question.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2477888.htm
It is running 118 bhp @ wheels, so should be as competitive as the teg, and already more set up.
It wouldn't be allowed the supercharger set up. You should also contact the club direct & forward those photos as the wheel arches may not be allowed - I can't say for certain but the club insist that the shell has to be the same size & shape as original & any wheel arch extensions have to be as available from the manufacturer on road cars. So, some mini cooper S type extension are allowed and (for eg) the "X Pack" wheel archers on a Mk2 Escort are allowed.
Best to check before you spend money.
Best to check before you spend money.
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