Arrive and Drive racing(is it worth it)
Discussion
Hi (new to site)
Has anyone done arrive and drive racing, been looking at max5 racing ltd and have e-mailed them for costs etc which they have given me (Thanks Jon), would like to hear from someone who's done this, like me on a low budget.
Costs I was given to compete in 3 races (Brands, Mallory and lydden) inc enrty fees, insurance, and their hire costs worked out to around £3k (plus cost to get licence, race wear etc).
This is the only way I can see to fulfill my dream of circuit racing (had some expierence in karts and Oval racing).
Cheers!!!!!!!
Has anyone done arrive and drive racing, been looking at max5 racing ltd and have e-mailed them for costs etc which they have given me (Thanks Jon), would like to hear from someone who's done this, like me on a low budget.
Costs I was given to compete in 3 races (Brands, Mallory and lydden) inc enrty fees, insurance, and their hire costs worked out to around £3k (plus cost to get licence, race wear etc).
This is the only way I can see to fulfill my dream of circuit racing (had some expierence in karts and Oval racing).
Cheers!!!!!!!
Edited by mv6mark on Thursday 29th April 11:13
£1k/weekend for arrive & drive sounds *very* cheap - even if it's excluding VAT.
When you say includes insurance - presume there's still an excess?
entry fees will be about £300, say £50 fuel, £200 insurance and even a very basic contribution to running costs of £100 (tyres, brakes etc), plus a cost to transport of say £100 - would mean they're either not charging for the car or not charging for the support.
if the £3K includes VAT i simply cannot see how they can afford to offer that service. either way, if the car's not a complete and utter dog - bite their hand off. even if it *is* a shed, would be a good starting point before shelling out on a car yourself.
When you say includes insurance - presume there's still an excess?
entry fees will be about £300, say £50 fuel, £200 insurance and even a very basic contribution to running costs of £100 (tyres, brakes etc), plus a cost to transport of say £100 - would mean they're either not charging for the car or not charging for the support.
if the £3K includes VAT i simply cannot see how they can afford to offer that service. either way, if the car's not a complete and utter dog - bite their hand off. even if it *is* a shed, would be a good starting point before shelling out on a car yourself.
unless you are mechanically minded and can wield a set of spanners, there is very little difference in buying a car and paying for the occasional bit of support and these arrive n drive set ups.
if you look around at the people who you would be competing against, they are either wealthy and can afford for someone to do the work, or a mechanic/garage owner who can do the work themselves.
the advantage of doing it yourself is that its not all dead money, you could theoretically buy a cheap race car, spend time preparing it properly get some better results and sell it for more than you paid for it.
when you arrive and drive, you have nothing to show for it at the end apart from some fantastic memories!
if its your first go at motor racing i'd take the arrive n drive option, its quite daunting to set out on your own when you don't know anyone.
i've been racing for 15 years and i've done all the options, arrive n drive, own and run my own car, own my own car and pay for someone else to run it. the best option by far i think is to arrive n drive if you can't spanner. if you can and you have the time and don't mind the hassle factor then you need to be an owner driver.
hth
if you look around at the people who you would be competing against, they are either wealthy and can afford for someone to do the work, or a mechanic/garage owner who can do the work themselves.
the advantage of doing it yourself is that its not all dead money, you could theoretically buy a cheap race car, spend time preparing it properly get some better results and sell it for more than you paid for it.
when you arrive and drive, you have nothing to show for it at the end apart from some fantastic memories!
if its your first go at motor racing i'd take the arrive n drive option, its quite daunting to set out on your own when you don't know anyone.
i've been racing for 15 years and i've done all the options, arrive n drive, own and run my own car, own my own car and pay for someone else to run it. the best option by far i think is to arrive n drive if you can't spanner. if you can and you have the time and don't mind the hassle factor then you need to be an owner driver.
hth
i've done both with some good and some bad experiences, the main problem is that anyone any good with a decent car will not be cheap making arrive and drive only any good if you can afford it, if you're on a budget then it doens't work becuase whoever running you will not be making money, if they don't make money then they'll either have to cut corners or they simply won't have a product that has value that they can sell, either scenarios are any use.
I like to own a car but I like to get someone to run it, best option IMO, gives you some control but let's someone else do the s
tty bits, spannering a car might be satisfying but then having to jump in and race is not ideal, unless you're a mechanic or very keen to learn then getting someone that knows what they're doing is the way to go
You get what you pay for, unfortunately there are alot of ste companies out there with good CV's so be careful
I like to own a car but I like to get someone to run it, best option IMO, gives you some control but let's someone else do the s
tty bits, spannering a car might be satisfying but then having to jump in and race is not ideal, unless you're a mechanic or very keen to learn then getting someone that knows what they're doing is the way to goYou get what you pay for, unfortunately there are alot of s
te companies out there with good CV's so be carefulIf you decide to go down the arrive and drive route, look for one with a proven history and ideally some race/championship wins. Some competitors in a series I was involved with have now set themselves up as a provider of arrive and drive car hire (amongst other things), yet when they themselves were racing the cars they were poorly prepared, often had DNF's and were midfield at best. You definately do not get this impression from reading their website though.
Edited by clubracing on Wednesday 28th April 20:55
Thanks for the replys, this is the e-mail I recieved showing costs and the second e-mail I recieved after asking about insurance details etc. What do you think???
(1st e-mail)
Hi Mark,
Thankyou for your e mail, you will be looking at the following prices.
Brands Hatch Single header £ 400.00 plus entry fee's & insurance ( Entry fee is £190.00 & insurance will be £180.00 + £500 excess) This fee covers transportation of vehicle, mechanical support at circuit & fuel
Lydden hill, Double header £ 650.00 plus entry fee's & insurance ( Entry fee is £300.00 & insurance will be £180.00 + £500 excess) This fee covers transportation of vehicle, mechanical support at circuit & fuel.
Mallory Park, Double header £ 600.00 plus entry fee's & insurance ( Entry fee is £300.00 & insurance will be £180.00 + £500 excess) This fee covers transportation of vehicle, mechanical support at circuit & fuel.
This will be for a fully race prepared MK 3 MX 5 Transported to & from the circuit with full mechanical support so all you need to do is Jump in and have some fun.
If you require any further info please contact me.
Regards
Jonathan Halliwell
Director
ACS Networks (UK) Ltd
Max 5 Racing Ltd
(second e-mail)
Hi Mark, you can insure all mechanical equipment but excess is slightly dearer. Regarding dented wings etc, if it more cost effective to repair or replace and considerably cheaper than the excess then we would repair and just charge at cost price materials and labour, as the cars are new to race track they are all in pristine condition at the moment so any damage is repair immediately.
There are a couple of insurance companies around so you can get it cheaper, I have just given you worst case !
If you commit then we will endeavor to find a more cost effective solution for insurance, you can if you wish not insure the car however a £1500 bond will be required in advance of which we will hold and if any damage is done then this will pay towards it of if the vehicle is badly damaged then you will be liable for the total repair bill, inherently if any minor damage is done then it normally equates to approx £250 - £300.
Hope this has helped.
If you require any further info please contact me !
Regards Jon Halliwell
(1st e-mail)
Hi Mark,
Thankyou for your e mail, you will be looking at the following prices.
Brands Hatch Single header £ 400.00 plus entry fee's & insurance ( Entry fee is £190.00 & insurance will be £180.00 + £500 excess) This fee covers transportation of vehicle, mechanical support at circuit & fuel
Lydden hill, Double header £ 650.00 plus entry fee's & insurance ( Entry fee is £300.00 & insurance will be £180.00 + £500 excess) This fee covers transportation of vehicle, mechanical support at circuit & fuel.
Mallory Park, Double header £ 600.00 plus entry fee's & insurance ( Entry fee is £300.00 & insurance will be £180.00 + £500 excess) This fee covers transportation of vehicle, mechanical support at circuit & fuel.
This will be for a fully race prepared MK 3 MX 5 Transported to & from the circuit with full mechanical support so all you need to do is Jump in and have some fun.
If you require any further info please contact me.
Regards
Jonathan Halliwell
Director
ACS Networks (UK) Ltd
Max 5 Racing Ltd
(second e-mail)
Hi Mark, you can insure all mechanical equipment but excess is slightly dearer. Regarding dented wings etc, if it more cost effective to repair or replace and considerably cheaper than the excess then we would repair and just charge at cost price materials and labour, as the cars are new to race track they are all in pristine condition at the moment so any damage is repair immediately.
There are a couple of insurance companies around so you can get it cheaper, I have just given you worst case !
If you commit then we will endeavor to find a more cost effective solution for insurance, you can if you wish not insure the car however a £1500 bond will be required in advance of which we will hold and if any damage is done then this will pay towards it of if the vehicle is badly damaged then you will be liable for the total repair bill, inherently if any minor damage is done then it normally equates to approx £250 - £300.
Hope this has helped.
If you require any further info please contact me !
Regards Jon Halliwell
Mark, comments regarding insurance sound fair - I'd be only to happy to provide you with some other insurance options to enable you to compare if required. Drop me a mail if interested or request via www.mmcbrokinggroup.com
Putting insurance to one side - sounds like fun!!
Putting insurance to one side - sounds like fun!!
Hi Mark/Guys
I'm one of the Max5 guys. Actually I'm the guy that built the first mk3 race car and subsequently built the other Hire cars.....
All the cars are built to a very high standard and all set up the same.....
Mark....
I would suggest you come and talk to us at Cadwell Park May 16th
Re Hire cars....We have several on hire, Some for the full season, so you can talk to our customers for feedback.....
If you would like further info re cars give me a call on 07770 566599
Paul
I'm one of the Max5 guys. Actually I'm the guy that built the first mk3 race car and subsequently built the other Hire cars.....
All the cars are built to a very high standard and all set up the same.....
Mark....
I would suggest you come and talk to us at Cadwell Park May 16th
Re Hire cars....We have several on hire, Some for the full season, so you can talk to our customers for feedback.....
If you would like further info re cars give me a call on 07770 566599
Paul
I'm hiring one of the cars that Roddo built, great bunch of guys and a great way to start racing. Mallory was my first race, will be doing at least another 6 races this season. Unfortunately can't make Cadwell due to prior commitments. Only my budget is constraing my racing!
Get stuck in, you won't regret it
Cheers
Matt
Get stuck in, you won't regret it
Cheers
Matt
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