How long is a typical sprint/hillclimb race?
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crofty1984 said:
Er, yep, that's just about what I want to know right there.
I really have no idea, but I hear it's a relatively cheap way of racing. I was thinking about having a go now and then in between ProdBMW races if the length/cost was worth it.
This is a good website to have a look at: http://www.hillclimbandsprint.co.uk/I really have no idea, but I hear it's a relatively cheap way of racing. I was thinking about having a go now and then in between ProdBMW races if the length/cost was worth it.
I am also thinking of doing a few Hill Climbs in my MNR this year, if I can squeeze them in around racing in the MR2 series
£70-£95 generally, and 30s to 1.5mins per run depending on venue and your car.
usually 2 practices, then lunchbreak, then 2-3 runs in the afternoon that count for position.
different discipline from circuits, less miles per quid, but thats not really the point.
worth having a go, not quote as sanitised as most UK circuits, tarmac width 1/3rd of a circuit, oh and did i mention they are usually lined with trees ;-) very exhilarating but short runs (you will have the shakes at the top!!)
CNH
usually 2 practices, then lunchbreak, then 2-3 runs in the afternoon that count for position.
different discipline from circuits, less miles per quid, but thats not really the point.
worth having a go, not quote as sanitised as most UK circuits, tarmac width 1/3rd of a circuit, oh and did i mention they are usually lined with trees ;-) very exhilarating but short runs (you will have the shakes at the top!!)
CNH
Edited by CNHSS1 on Monday 21st December 09:39
crofty1984 said:
Er, yep, that's just about what I want to know right there.
I really have no idea, but I hear it's a relatively cheap way of racing. I was thinking about having a go now and then in between ProdBMW races if the length/cost was worth it.
I really have no idea, but I hear it's a relatively cheap way of racing. I was thinking about having a go now and then in between ProdBMW races if the length/cost was worth it.
you will get two practice and two timed runs so the shortest venues will probably yield about 3 minutes of competitive driving whereas the longest will be about 7 (all dependant on the car but thats an average)
dont start entering sprints and hillclimbs for value for money. even at the longest venues you will still only get about 6 minutes time in the seat in total, which for about £75-100 isnt very good BUT...... its fun, its a lot less stressful than racing, you can run a very basic car with only minor mods, you dont have to worry about the ego behind you deseprate to get past at any cost, the atmosphere in the paddock is nicer...
pablo said:
Dont start entering sprints and hillclimbs for value for money. even at the longest venues you will still only get about 6 minutes time in the seat in total, which for about £75-100 isnt very good BUT...... its fun, its a lot less stressful than racing, you can run a very basic car with only minor mods, you dont have to worry about the ego behind you deseprate to get past at any cost, the atmosphere in the paddock is nicer...
Sprints and hillclimbs are not value for money.Its fun, lots of standing around waiting. No less stressful than racing, don't see why they should differ - its a fun thing at most levels so if its stressful, maybe time to go fishing.
Egos....the most infalted egos I have ever come across in motorsport have been amongst the top runners in the British Hillclimb Championship.
I glad I was able to sponsor the events especially run for those elite competitors with my entry monies over the years.
TVR_owner said:
Sprints and hillclimbs are not value for money.
Not in terms of track time, but in terms of a day out it's a different matter.British hills & sprints are all short - well under a mile and perhaps 40-60s in a 'normal' road legal car. More's the pity, as some of the classic European courses are up to 8 miles.
HiRich said:
TVR_owner said:
Sprints and hillclimbs are not value for money.
Not in terms of track time, but in terms of a day out it's a different matter.British hills & sprints are all short - well under a mile and perhaps 40-60s in a 'normal' road legal car. More's the pity, as some of the classic European courses are up to 8 miles.
Thanks, Dan
TVR_owner said:
Egos....the most infalted egos I have ever come across in motorsport have been amongst the top runners in the British Hillclimb Championship.
I glad I was able to sponsor the events especially run for those elite competitors with my entry monies over the years.
Inflated ego's are everywhere old chap.. yes some of the Top 12 do like to boast but I'd say no more than any of the circuit boys and gals...in fact I'd say the FOC or POC are worse!I glad I was able to sponsor the events especially run for those elite competitors with my entry monies over the years.
On the subject of your entry monies... I don't follow; all competitors pay the same entry fees, whether you're driving a TVR Mod Prod or a MP97 Judd. The run off's are only "free" if you've entered the championship to qualify and you've got one of the fastest 12 cars on the day.. this seems to be a mixture of the car/spec/driver talent!
as others have said - short runs on the hills - shortest i think is Shelsey Walsh - takes the top 12 lads n lasses about 23/24secs to get up... to Harewood at the longest at 1440yards about 40secs, Loton is shorter by 40yards or so, but alot twister and takes longer to get up - 44secs.
the sprints can vary from the likes of Aintree at 50secs to 2 laps of Anglesey.
the sprints can vary from the likes of Aintree at 50secs to 2 laps of Anglesey.
HiRich said:
British hills & sprints are all short - well under a mile and perhaps 40-60s in a 'normal' road legal car.
Our season opener at Castle Combe is a lap and 3/4, which is over three miles. Colerne is a little over 3000 yards (mile and 3/4).Hillclimbs tend to be (a lot) shorter.
I reckon the longest will be Weathersfield. Takes some learning, which is difficult when you've not done it before.
Not sure if they still run there.
What Sprinting and Hill CLimbs loses out to on track time is made up (just about) by the competitve nature. You can have the top 4 or 5 runners in your class all within half a second of each other.
Not sure if they still run there.
What Sprinting and Hill CLimbs loses out to on track time is made up (just about) by the competitve nature. You can have the top 4 or 5 runners in your class all within half a second of each other.
lord summerisle said:
as others have said - short runs on the hills - shortest i think is Shelsey Walsh - takes the top 12 lads n lasses about 23/24secs to get up... to Harewood at the longest at 1440yards about 40secs, Loton is shorter by 40yards or so, but alot twister and takes longer to get up - 44secs.
the sprints can vary from the likes of Aintree at 50secs to 2 laps of Anglesey.
The way around it is drive a slower car, as I do. I get about twice the value out of Harewood and Loton than the fast guys as it takes me twice as long to get up the sprints can vary from the likes of Aintree at 50secs to 2 laps of Anglesey.
Seriously with regards to track time, sprints and hills climbing is not good value but as an event it is better and more fun than any track day I have ever done. I could be out doing track days now but I would much rather wait for my first outing on the hill at the end of March.
I also find with the odd exception there are less ego's in hillclimb paddocks than on track days, but at the end of the day I just ignore pratts.
QED87 said:
TVR_owner said:
Egos....the most infalted egos I have ever come across in motorsport have been amongst the top runners in the British Hillclimb Championship.
I glad I was able to sponsor the events especially run for those elite competitors with my entry monies over the years.
Inflated ego's are everywhere old chap.. yes some of the Top 12 do like to boast but I'd say no more than any of the circuit boys and gals...in fact I'd say the FOC or POC are worse!I glad I was able to sponsor the events especially run for those elite competitors with my entry monies over the years.
On the subject of your entry monies... I don't follow; all competitors pay the same entry fees, whether you're driving a TVR Mod Prod or a MP97 Judd. The run off's are only "free" if you've entered the championship to qualify and you've got one of the fastest 12 cars on the day.. this seems to be a mixture of the car/spec/driver talent!
In the years I spent hill climbing, I have lost count of the amount of times extra runs had been advised at an aevent only for time to be lost because of the pratting about the top boys spend during their scheduled runs.
Rant over
but the usual bonus when the British Hillclimb event is on is that the meeting is spread over 2 days - so for the same entry fee. tho it still at least 2 practice runs on the Saturday (occasionally get in 3 or 4 like we did at Loton this year) plus the 2 timed runs/top 12 run offs on Sunday.
Tho at least one Harewood Nat A MSA event is run with Barbon Manor, so the BHC runs at Barbon on the saturday - fitting in 2 practice, 2 timed and 2 run offs, then they relocated to Harewood for Sunday.
So at harewood theres a nat b event on Saturday, and nat A event on Sunday - so you'll get 2 practice and at least 3 timed runs on the sat.
I've known meetings at Aintree where we have been able to fit 2 practice runs then at least 5 timed runs in during the afternoon - the start line guys keep going till no drivers are coming forward to take another run.
And i'll also +1 the social side of the hills/sprints - theres a small band of marshals who do each event, we get to know the drivers more than we do at circuits - and sometimes theres alot more crossover between drivers and marshals - theres some marshals who also compete at the odd event (the Clerk of the Course at Loton competes in a modified Smart fourtwo - with a 2ltr toyota engine!) and some drivers will also marshal - i've known quite a few who have marshaled on sunday after breaking the car on saturday.
And all gather at the bar at the end of the meeting.
Tho at least one Harewood Nat A MSA event is run with Barbon Manor, so the BHC runs at Barbon on the saturday - fitting in 2 practice, 2 timed and 2 run offs, then they relocated to Harewood for Sunday.
So at harewood theres a nat b event on Saturday, and nat A event on Sunday - so you'll get 2 practice and at least 3 timed runs on the sat.
I've known meetings at Aintree where we have been able to fit 2 practice runs then at least 5 timed runs in during the afternoon - the start line guys keep going till no drivers are coming forward to take another run.
And i'll also +1 the social side of the hills/sprints - theres a small band of marshals who do each event, we get to know the drivers more than we do at circuits - and sometimes theres alot more crossover between drivers and marshals - theres some marshals who also compete at the odd event (the Clerk of the Course at Loton competes in a modified Smart fourtwo - with a 2ltr toyota engine!) and some drivers will also marshal - i've known quite a few who have marshaled on sunday after breaking the car on saturday.
And all gather at the bar at the end of the meeting.
Also worth having a look here. http://www.hillclimbandsprint.co.uk/
Thanks guy's - have added addresses to my favorites
(when I get a min, I will take a proper look)
- would be nice to try a new challenge - was thinking about the idea of doing a bit of rally driving, but with out looking in to it I already guess that's gonna cost even more than circuit racing?
(when I get a min, I will take a proper look)
- would be nice to try a new challenge - was thinking about the idea of doing a bit of rally driving, but with out looking in to it I already guess that's gonna cost even more than circuit racing?
The Real Stig said:
Thanks guy's - have added addresses to my favorites
(when I get a min, I will take a proper look)
- would be nice to try a new challenge - was thinking about the idea of doing a bit of rally driving, but with out looking in to it I already guess that's gonna cost even more than circuit racing?
No question about it. I used to do sealed surface rallying quite a number of years ago and it was very expensive back then. No form of motor sport is cheap, but sprints and hill climbs are among the least expensive. (when I get a min, I will take a proper look)
- would be nice to try a new challenge - was thinking about the idea of doing a bit of rally driving, but with out looking in to it I already guess that's gonna cost even more than circuit racing?
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