anyone here compete in the clio cup?
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wow 120k is just over double of what i expected! i really hope thats not the average 
here is a video of autocar driving a cup car which he then states the cars are £20,500
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDP0aLsSS_Y
if what he is saying is true the cost of the car is not to bad, i'm currently trying to get through to R Sport to verify this, but phone line is always busy!!
here is also a pdf from the ranaultsport site which list registeration fee for a season at £13,742.50 inc vat
http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/pdfs/2009%20ELF%20Re...
these are the only cost i've managed to get light on.
here is a video of autocar driving a cup car which he then states the cars are £20,500
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDP0aLsSS_Y
if what he is saying is true the cost of the car is not to bad, i'm currently trying to get through to R Sport to verify this, but phone line is always busy!!
here is also a pdf from the ranaultsport site which list registeration fee for a season at £13,742.50 inc vat
http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/pdfs/2009%20ELF%20Re...
these are the only cost i've managed to get light on.
I ran Tom Onslow-Cole's car (182 shape) in 2008, after he'd won the 2007 Clio Cup with it, at an estimated cost of £80k. That included a £5k insurance premium, 3 re shells and 1 new engine. The gearbox was rebuilt every 3rd race or so. As he was leading the championship, some parts were replaced purely due to concerns over reliability, rather than things going wrong.
Be aware that unless you're being run by a team, fixing the damage (highly probable unless you're right at the front) between races is very tight, time wise.
In the end, your budget will depend how much you crash, or how much damage you sustain. You won't be allowed back on the grid with a scruffy car with bodged repairs. Speak to John at R-sport down in Wimbledon, he can give you the low down. Alternatively, speak to one of the teams, Mardi Gras, TCR, Pyro, etc, etc who can also give you a good estimate.
PS having someone work on the cars who is familiar with them and their setup foibles is VERY useful. Despite limited suspension adjustability, it is very easy to create a very edgy or nervous car or a very planted (but slow) one...
Be aware that unless you're being run by a team, fixing the damage (highly probable unless you're right at the front) between races is very tight, time wise.
In the end, your budget will depend how much you crash, or how much damage you sustain. You won't be allowed back on the grid with a scruffy car with bodged repairs. Speak to John at R-sport down in Wimbledon, he can give you the low down. Alternatively, speak to one of the teams, Mardi Gras, TCR, Pyro, etc, etc who can also give you a good estimate.
PS having someone work on the cars who is familiar with them and their setup foibles is VERY useful. Despite limited suspension adjustability, it is very easy to create a very edgy or nervous car or a very planted (but slow) one...
Edited by fergus on Tuesday 20th October 16:31
shigs said:
thanks for the excellent reply, really helps.
do you have any idea of what to expect in terms of sponsers? going rate for running ads on the car
It's more a case of what you believe you can offer the sponsors, aligned with how much you want them to cover your costs. do you have any idea of what to expect in terms of sponsers? going rate for running ads on the car
If you have a track record, then you are likely to place higher in the standings and get more media than if you're running at the back (Be aware that the Clio Cup is VERY close in terms of times, due to the heavy policing to ensure the cars remain the same - You'll need to be quick from the off in Q1 for race1 to stand a chance).
Very difficult question to answer to be honest unless you have a very strong package to present to someone. It has to be more than 'get your name on the side of a car' these days though, unless you have someone wanting to spend money, and who may be interested in the tax 'benefit' of sponsorship, or a close family friend, etc.
Simple! Buy a car @ £20k, pay Grovewood Sport £15k Entry Fee - includes all racing & test day the Friday of the race meeting - (already thats £35k+ & you've yet to race!), pay a team £20k+ to maintain/transport/store the car, then £10k on tyres, £5k on brakes, £2.5k on fuel, more on spares, then insure it (£5k + circa £1k XS) or mend what you bend... Alternatively run it yourself - can be a very time consuming exercise in the summer months especially if you need to re-shell it... Preperation, preperation, and preperation are the key.
As Fergus said, speak to John/Denise/Paul ar R-sport, Simon/Pauline at Grovewood (all are extremely helpful), & speak to the teams.
As Fergus said, speak to John/Denise/Paul ar R-sport, Simon/Pauline at Grovewood (all are extremely helpful), & speak to the teams.
MSP said:
Simple! Buy a car @ £20k, pay Grovewood Sport £15k Entry Fee - includes all racing & test day the Friday of the race meeting - (already thats £35k+ & you've yet to race!), pay a team £20k+ to maintain/transport/store the car, then £10k on tyres, £5k on brakes, £2.5k on fuel, more on spares, then insure it (£5k + circa £1k XS) or mend what you bend... Alternatively run it yourself - can be a very time consuming exercise in the summer months especially if you need to re-shell it... Preperation, preperation, and preperation are the key.
As Fergus said, speak to John/Denise/Paul ar R-sport, Simon/Pauline at Grovewood (all are extremely helpful), & speak to the teams.
Matt - how are you mate? Racing next year? I fancy a bit of Radical - assuming I can get sign off from the missus!As Fergus said, speak to John/Denise/Paul ar R-sport, Simon/Pauline at Grovewood (all are extremely helpful), & speak to the teams.
See the extract from the 2007 marketing info pack.....
There are three ways to race in the Clio Cup:
1)agree an “arrive and drive” package with a team
2)buy a preparation and set-up service from a team
3) race as a privateer in your own car.
• Arrive and Drive packages
Professional teams offering “arrive and drive” packages will charge from £55,000 plus accident damage to run a car. This price includes overheads, accommodation, insurance, wages, subsistence, 11 test days, 60 tyres, registration fee (includes all official test and entry fees), engine costs, gearbox costs, data logging, all
components including consumables and race fuel.
• Preparation and set-up service
The car owner pays for all the running costs but the team prepares and repairs the car and transports it to the circuit. The customer's car is then run from the team’s awning. Teams charge from £25,000 for the service.
• Privateer
Probably the least expensive way to race, but you will need access to a workshop for preparation and require you own transportation. An ownerdriver should be able to run a car competitively for a season budget of under £30,000 plus any accident damage (see estimated figures below).
Sample of estimated costs:
(These figures are for a full season and do not include VAT. They should be used as a guide only. Accident damage is not included but most teams budget for £8,000 on average per season)
• Estimated Registration fee (this reduces pro rata throughout the season) £8,500
• 40 slick tyres (a maximum of 60 per season is allowed) £6,000
• Eight wet tyres £1,120
• Engine (new replacement) £3,000
• Gearbox rebuild £1,000
• Race fuel £ 800
• Estimated total £20,420
There are three ways to race in the Clio Cup:
1)agree an “arrive and drive” package with a team
2)buy a preparation and set-up service from a team
3) race as a privateer in your own car.
• Arrive and Drive packages
Professional teams offering “arrive and drive” packages will charge from £55,000 plus accident damage to run a car. This price includes overheads, accommodation, insurance, wages, subsistence, 11 test days, 60 tyres, registration fee (includes all official test and entry fees), engine costs, gearbox costs, data logging, all
components including consumables and race fuel.
• Preparation and set-up service
The car owner pays for all the running costs but the team prepares and repairs the car and transports it to the circuit. The customer's car is then run from the team’s awning. Teams charge from £25,000 for the service.
• Privateer
Probably the least expensive way to race, but you will need access to a workshop for preparation and require you own transportation. An ownerdriver should be able to run a car competitively for a season budget of under £30,000 plus any accident damage (see estimated figures below).
Sample of estimated costs:
(These figures are for a full season and do not include VAT. They should be used as a guide only. Accident damage is not included but most teams budget for £8,000 on average per season)
• Estimated Registration fee (this reduces pro rata throughout the season) £8,500
• 40 slick tyres (a maximum of 60 per season is allowed) £6,000
• Eight wet tyres £1,120
• Engine (new replacement) £3,000
• Gearbox rebuild £1,000
• Race fuel £ 800
• Estimated total £20,420
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