How do you get FIA Historic papers?

[Chris71]

Does anyone here know how you go about getting an FIA Heritage Certificate for a 1949 sports racing car?

Any idea what 'FIA and FIVA regulations demmand' in terms of car preparation? Would it still be allowed to compete without seat belts, for example?

[dougc]

Things going a bit off course on the Caterham hunt?

Edited by dougc on Monday 29th June 13:50

[Chris71]

dougc said:

Things going a bit off course on the Caterham hunt?

Nope, all is well with the Caterham. Just exchanged the money for the 1600cc RSA Knockhill lap record holder, which should be with me on Thursday evening, fingers crossed.

However, I was back home at the weekend and after many glasses of red wine, my father and I decided it would be a great idea to enter the historic Mille Miglia. In one of these:



(Don't have a pic of his car to hand, but you get the idea, it should be fun!)

ETA: Google to the rescue - http://www.fiaheritage.com/apply.htm - you do have to wonder how they can justify 1,500 euros for a normal authentication, but hey.

Edited by Chris71 on Monday 29th June 15:30

[LRdriver II]

Isnt it wossisname Marcus Pye (columnist from Autosport) who is the FIA inspector, You have to pay all his transport costs, hotel and feed him tea and biscuits to bribe him into giving you FIA papers.. ontop of the FIA fee I guess.

[fergus]

Chris71 said:

However, I was back home at the weekend and after many glasses of red wine, my father and I decided it would be a great idea to enter the historic Mille Miglia.

Chris, it's massively oversubscribed and also bloody expensive. You may need an influential historic contact in the UK to help you out... they tend to pick specific cars, often ones with competition history.

[Chris71]

fergus said:

Chris71 said:

However, I was back home at the weekend and after many glasses of red wine, my father and I decided it would be a great idea to enter the historic Mille Miglia.

Chris, it's massively oversubscribed and also bloody expensive. You may need an influential historic contact in the UK to help you out... they tend to pick specific cars, often ones with competition history.

Yep. It's 5,750 euros inclusive, plus the cost of getting there (and back) and providing some support crew.

The idea was just to do something that would be a bit of an event if you know what I mean. The car is totally original and very rare, so hopefully if we did go in for it that would give us a fighting chance. We know it was raced, although we don't have any specific competition history. The D-Type Silverstone is a reasonably unusual car (only 30 or so built and the team did do Le Mans, Mille Miglia, Targo Florio etc.) so even if this one isn't a known example it's still a reasonably significant car.

Any thoughts on similar events? The aim was specifically to go for something with historic significance. The historic race before the start of Le Mans quite appealed to, but I suspect that makes the Mille Miglia look cheap and accesible!

[anonymous-user]

99% sure that only cars with mille miglia history will be allowed to enter post 2010. its basically to stop you buying something like an MGA and then competing. personally its a jolly boys club that i wouldnt want to be part of, seems to me like they are making it exclusive...

[Chris71]

Interesting. There are a lot more MGAs, Sprites, Fiat 500s etc. than there are Silverstones, but I guess there's a certain logic to it.

The idea was to do something fun and memorable with the car before (in his words not mine) my dad got too old and also something to set an aim for the refresh it currently needs. However, it does sound like a bit of an old boys club. Are there any other events people can recommend?

[anonymous-user]

Chris71 said:

Interesting. There are a lot more MGAs, Sprites, Fiat 500s etc. than there are Silverstones, but I guess there's a certain logic to it.

The idea was to do something fun and memorable with the car before (in his words not mine) my dad got too old and also something to set an aim for the refresh it currently needs. However, it does sound like a bit of an old boys club. Are there any other events people can recommend?

there are loads of epic long distance rallies. i think the HERO organisation do things like the revised Peking to Paris or other such events. they seem well organised and well supported and dont cost too much all things considered....

[Chris71]

pablo said:

Chris71 said:

Interesting. There are a lot more MGAs, Sprites, Fiat 500s etc. than there are Silverstones, but I guess there's a certain logic to it.

The idea was to do something fun and memorable with the car before (in his words not mine) my dad got too old and also something to set an aim for the refresh it currently needs. However, it does sound like a bit of an old boys club. Are there any other events people can recommend?

there are loads of epic long distance rallies. i think the HERO organisation do things like the revised Peking to Paris or other such events. they seem well organised and well supported and dont cost too much all things considered....

The concern is something like Peking to Paris could take its toll on the car (and the support budget!) Might take a look into it though. Hmm, just blatantly continuing the theme, is there an historic Targo Florio? It would be nice to do something approximating to one of the events the car was designed for.

[fergus]

Chris71 said:

Interesting. There are a lot more MGAs, Sprites, Fiat 500s etc. than there are Silverstones, but I guess there's a certain logic to it.

The idea was to do something fun and memorable with the car before (in his words not mine) my dad got too old and also something to set an aim for the refresh it currently needs. However, it does sound like a bit of an old boys club. Are there any other events people can recommend?

There are loads of 'oldtimer' rallies run by ADAC in Germany. There are also several tours which all seem to leave from Liege in Belgium to other destinations in Europe for several marques. These seem to be more on the 'driving holidays' side of things than true reliability rallies/trials though.

[Rude-boy]

One point I think a few posters might have missed is that yes it is all damn expensive and difficult to get into but the value of the car will almost certainly go up a fair bit, enough to cover the initial outlay at least I would have said.

I know someone who has made an exceptional profit on a particular car which by rights perhaps should not have qualified for the event it took part in in the last 6 years.

[HiRich]

The Italians have a good line in historic hillclimbs. There's Vernasca, and I have vague memories of a 14km one out of Bologna. Remember, Johnny Foreigner does proper, huge hillclimbs.
There is also Teramo which recently restarted, and well worth a look (http://www.circuitodelcastello.com/storia.html). If it's still going, Chimay is fun, with a nice line in Trappist beers for breakfast.

Etretat hill climb (just over the Channel) looks good. A few of our guys have started going. And Holland & Belgium somewhat surprisingly had some good climbs, and I think there might be some historic events.

So I'm thinking you'd have more fun doing a European Tour, but I don't know where you'd find a decent calendar to start brwosing. You might do better with a query at ten-tenths.com

[Chris71]

Rude-boy said:

One point I think a few posters might have missed is that yes it is all damn expensive and difficult to get into but the value of the car will almost certainly go up a fair bit, enough to cover the initial outlay at least I would have said.

I know someone who has made an exceptional profit on a particular car which by rights perhaps should not have qualified for the event it took part in in the last 6 years.

The project is strictly not financially motivated (my dad's had the car for about 40 years) but the thought had occured it probably wouldn't do any harm.

With regards the hill climbs, it would depend on the nature of the event. Neither of us are particularly experienced racers and the car is worth more than we can afford to write off, hence the idea of going for something a little more competitive than a tour, but still relatively relaxed like the MM.