Shared Car Motorsport?

[balls-out]

I used to race a Mini in Mini Cross with a mate, we stopped about 12 years ago when kids arrived. Becuase of the heats system in MiniX we could both use one car and get same number of race/heats as single driver cars.
We both fancy a return to racing, but we liked only having to pay, maintain and fix one car between the two of us. We've no interest in leading the championship, just want to get out there and do some racing without speding a fortune.

Are there any other Motorsports formulas that you can run a shared car and still get a decent go?

Thanks
jim

[stockhatcher]

could you not share the car by driving/spannering on alternate weekends?

[chris_w]

Hi Jim,
my Dad and I bought a miniX car a few years back with the intention of racing as you did previously. One test day and many stories of rolled cars and regular damage later we decided to not race but entered sprinting.

We've sprinted now for three years and have developed the car along the way. We have always been able to compare perfomances and learn a lot from each other as consequence of sharing the driving.

I'm now at the point where I'm ready to go racing so I'll be doing the SEMSEC Saloon series next year, mostly based at Lydden but also racing at Brands. Whilst we obviously can't share the driving in that, the Tonbridge Wells Motor Club hold their sprints on the mornings of the race meetings so we can still both drive on the same day. There's also a handicap race at the end of the day which the 'other' driver could enter if you really want racing instead of sprinting.

TWMC for sprinting:
http://www.twmc.org.uk/

SEMSEC for racing:
http://www.semsec.co.uk/

Loads of minis racing down this way too!

[MHM]

Autograss is good for car sharing, cheap, loads of meetings at all sorts of levels.
I have done or been involved in allsorts of racing, and always have a go at 'Grassin' when not racing anything else.
Have a look here.
http://www.autograssreview.com/

[ginettajoe]

balls-out said:

I used to race a Mini in Mini Cross with a mate, we stopped about 12 years ago when kids arrived. Becuase of the heats system in MiniX we could both use one car and get same number of race/heats as single driver cars.
We both fancy a return to racing, but we liked only having to pay, maintain and fix one car between the two of us. We've no interest in leading the championship, just want to get out there and do some racing without speding a fortune.

Are there any other Motorsports formulas that you can run a shared car and still get a decent go?

Thanks
jim

Hi Jim,

A friend & myself have done a couple of races with www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk this year and recommend you look at that. You have various races, "the swinging sixties" "tin tops" and "future classics", all of which are 40 minute, two driver races! Membership is cheap, £30 each, to register the car for the series was £90 between us, and the races vary between £265.00 & £295.00, split between the two drivers!! Almost any car is covered in those three seies, and I don't think you would be dissapointed.

Hope this helps, Howard

[andy97]

I'm another one to recommend the Classic Sports Car Club (CSCC)and its two drivers races. I drive in the "Tin Tops" series and share my car with a mate when he's available, or drive alone when he's not. The compulsory pit stop format means that single drivers don't get any advantage over those doing a driver change. Its a good club, run for the benefit of its members and the races are good value for money, compared to most other series. "Tin Tops" is a good clubman series for hatchbacks and saloons up to 2 litres and cars vary from XR2s and Fiat Unos to MG Maestros to Honda Integras (No turbos). "Future Classics" is a similar series for Sports and GT cars of any engine capacity but up to an age of 1990(cars originally marketed as turbos are allowed) and "swinging Sixties" is a car for sixties generation cars of any type. Sequential gearboxes are not allowed in any of the series. There are suitable class divisions meaning that you always have someone to battle with.

[Shaun_E]

Hillclimbs and sprints almost all allow dual drives. My wife and I share our Caterham in the Lotus 7 Club Speed Championship. Obviously it's very different to racing as you are just running against the clock and the runs are vey short but it is very competitive and the paddocks are very friendly and helpful.

[juliann]

We have a few car sharers in PBMW (Production BMW Cup) www.pbmwc.co.uk . I was one myself in my first year. 2nd driver / race opportunities exist within the PBMW framework or 2nd racers can race in the sister series TTRS (Toyo Tires Racing Saloons)

[balls-out]

Thanks - some for the suggestions - I need to do some research now!
I've always been a bit reluctant on the hill climb idea as time behind the wheel seems too limited. I like the look of the tin-tops though!

thanks again

[andy97]

These are the CSCC "Tin Tops" regs:

http://www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk/documents/Gr...

Nothing complicated about them to ensure min fuss and max participation. That really is it. I run a Fiat Uno or an Alfa 33 in Class C. PM me if you want more info or if you want to chat about the series.

[ginettajoe]

balls-out said:

Thanks - some for the suggestions - I need to do some research now!
I've always been a bit reluctant on the hill climb idea as time behind the wheel seems too limited. I like the look of the tin-tops though!

thanks again

What car do you propose using?? That would govern what races you did within the CSCC! We used an MX5 (from the MaX5 series) in "Future Classics" ..... a very cheap car to run in that series.

[balls-out]

ginettajoe said:

balls-out said:

Thanks - some for the suggestions - I need to do some research now!
I've always been a bit reluctant on the hill climb idea as time behind the wheel seems too limited. I like the look of the tin-tops though!

thanks again

What car do you propose using?? That would govern what races you did within the CSCC! We used an MX5 (from the MaX5 series) in "Future Classics" ..... a very cheap car to run in that series.

No plans at all yet as to choice of car. My prefence would be a cheap to fix rear wheel driver. Mx5 sounds like it would fit the criteria....

[Simon Mason]

Sharing in Tin Tops is by far the cheapest way of going car racing but 40 minute races is'nt exactly much time on track either. Its a hoot from what I've heard about it as well. No body taking it too seriously which keeps the costs down.

If you can stretch to a VW Fun Cup car thats a good direction to go in for shared cost racing. VERY VERY competitive though. Only thing is the cars are grossly over valued at present but with a new apparently faster diesel engine conversion now available at around £8K they should drop in price soon.

Sadly anything else sensible money worth having for endurance racing is FWD. Mazda MX5 as the Grinch..... sorry GinettaJoe suggested is perhaps the safest bet. But be warned they are only faster than a 2CV in straight line!!

[ginettajoe]

Sadly anything else sensible money worth having for endurance racing is FWD. Mazda MX5 as the Grinch..... sorry GinettaJoe suggested is perhaps the safest bet. But be warned they are only faster than a 2CV in straight line!!







.........now, now Seamoon!! Remember I'll be working with you on Sunday!!!!!

[rallycross]

autocross is good fun and allows two people to use one car, me and a mate share driving my rallycross stockhatch in autocross....


see here;
http://www.greenbeltmc.f9.co.uk/2008British_AX_Cha...

http://www.aswmc.org.uk/autox.htm#AXREG

[megamaniac]

You can share a car in the 2cv championship , share the points and theoretically both win the championship.
They are easy cars to work on,have an extremely adjustable chassis and have the added bonus that you can lift an engine in and out on your own .
There are nearly full grids ,plenty of wheel to wheel action and they're more challenging than they appear.

[CaptainSlow]

andy97 said:

I'm another one to recommend the Classic Sports Car Club (CSCC)and its two drivers races. I drive in the "Tin Tops" series and share my car with a mate when he's available, or drive alone when he's not. The compulsory pit stop format means that single drivers don't get any advantage over those doing a driver change. Its a good club, run for the benefit of its members and the races are good value for money, compared to most other series. "Tin Tops" is a good clubman series for hatchbacks and saloons up to 2 litres and cars vary from XR2s and Fiat Unos to MG Maestros to Honda Integras (No turbos). "Future Classics" is a similar series for Sports and GT cars of any engine capacity but up to an age of 1990(cars originally marketed as turbos are allowed) and "swinging Sixties" is a car for sixties generation cars of any type. Sequential gearboxes are not allowed in any of the series. There are suitable class divisions meaning that you always have someone to battle with.

This looks like a good series. Looking through the regulations I can't see the rules for modifying the cars. Do you need a cage, cut-off, relocated battery etc?

[andy97]

CaptainSlow said:

andy97 said:

I'm another one to recommend the Classic Sports Car Club (CSCC)and its two drivers races. I drive in the "Tin Tops" series and share my car with a mate when he's available, or drive alone when he's not. The compulsory pit stop format means that single drivers don't get any advantage over those doing a driver change. Its a good club, run for the benefit of its members and the races are good value for money, compared to most other series. "Tin Tops" is a good clubman series for hatchbacks and saloons up to 2 litres and cars vary from XR2s and Fiat Unos to MG Maestros to Honda Integras (No turbos). "Future Classics" is a similar series for Sports and GT cars of any engine capacity but up to an age of 1990(cars originally marketed as turbos are allowed) and "swinging Sixties" is a car for sixties generation cars of any type. Sequential gearboxes are not allowed in any of the series. There are suitable class divisions meaning that you always have someone to battle with.

This looks like a good series. Looking through the regulations I can't see the rules for modifying the cars. Do you need a cage, cut-off, relocated battery etc?

You need to comply with standard MSA safety regs so yes you do need a cage (a bolt in one is fine), an extinguisher, an electrical cut out and thats about it as a min. Some people will modify there cars more but it depends on their budget and time. One chap used to drive his Peugeot 309 GTI to the track, race and drive home again - it was standard apart from the aforementioned safety features - but most of us have cars that are stripped out & arrive and depart on trailers!

[CaptainSlow]

andy97 said:

CaptainSlow said:

andy97 said:

I'm another one to recommend the Classic Sports Car Club (CSCC)and its two drivers races. I drive in the "Tin Tops" series and share my car with a mate when he's available, or drive alone when he's not. The compulsory pit stop format means that single drivers don't get any advantage over those doing a driver change. Its a good club, run for the benefit of its members and the races are good value for money, compared to most other series. "Tin Tops" is a good clubman series for hatchbacks and saloons up to 2 litres and cars vary from XR2s and Fiat Unos to MG Maestros to Honda Integras (No turbos). "Future Classics" is a similar series for Sports and GT cars of any engine capacity but up to an age of 1990(cars originally marketed as turbos are allowed) and "swinging Sixties" is a car for sixties generation cars of any type. Sequential gearboxes are not allowed in any of the series. There are suitable class divisions meaning that you always have someone to battle with.

This looks like a good series. Looking through the regulations I can't see the rules for modifying the cars. Do you need a cage, cut-off, relocated battery etc?

You need to comply with standard MSA safety regs so yes you do need a cage (a bolt in one is fine), an extinguisher, an electrical cut out and thats about it as a min. Some people will modify there cars more but it depends on their budget and time. One chap used to drive his Peugeot 309 GTI to the track, race and drive home again - it was standard apart from the aforementioned safety features - but most of us have cars that are stripped out & arrive and depart on trailers!

thanks for the reply...I'll keep an eye out for the dates next year and come along to one. I'll give you a cheer!!

[gaxor]

If you are at all interested in running a bike engined car (Radical etc) BESCR are running a new series next year with compulsory pit stop/driver change

see http://www.bikemotors.co.uk/forums/ We are running an SR4

Gary