Anybody race 70's historics ?
Discussion
Always been interested in historic racing as much as the more modern stuff.
After being at the Oulton Gold Cup yesterday and enjoying the HSCC 70's Road Sports Championship in particular, it's got me interested in competing some time in the future.
If you're in this series, can you tell me what it's like, what sort of budget to work to and indeed anything else that would be useful to know ?
Cheers
Lazy
After being at the Oulton Gold Cup yesterday and enjoying the HSCC 70's Road Sports Championship in particular, it's got me interested in competing some time in the future.
If you're in this series, can you tell me what it's like, what sort of budget to work to and indeed anything else that would be useful to know ?
Cheers
Lazy
Edited by lazyitus on Tuesday 26th August 21:46
And the Heritage Grand Touring Car Challenge ( http://www.heritagegtcc.co.uk/) - fantastic mix of cars and drivers.
Last meeting this year is at Brands on 25th and 26th October. Come down for a beer and chat.
Last meeting this year is at Brands on 25th and 26th October. Come down for a beer and chat.
Edited by V8LM on Tuesday 26th August 22:31
Try this young fella JohnnyMaestro. I know him and his family race historic saloons of varying makes!
You can spend as much as you like - but a good base car will cost you 10k+ but you could spend 40 - 140k easily.
HSCC is very limited in what you can run. i.e.e I have a TR4 and TR6 that have plastic panels and webbers, but cannot run either in this very restricted series (HORSES FOR COURSES THOUGH).
Must have the panel it came with so fine if a 70's TVR with fiber but not a TR with fiber and no Webbers as the were not on TR6's (Fi) or the 4 as that has to run SU's.
It would be great to sneak in somehow and lap the field;)
HSCC is very limited in what you can run. i.e.e I have a TR4 and TR6 that have plastic panels and webbers, but cannot run either in this very restricted series (HORSES FOR COURSES THOUGH).
Must have the panel it came with so fine if a 70's TVR with fiber but not a TR with fiber and no Webbers as the were not on TR6's (Fi) or the 4 as that has to run SU's.
It would be great to sneak in somehow and lap the field;)
jellison said:
You can spend as much as you like - but a good base car will cost you 10k+ but you could spend 40 - 140k easily.
HSCC is very limited in what you can run. i.e.e I have a TR4 and TR6 that have plastic panels and webbers, but cannot run either in this very restricted series (HORSES FOR COURSES THOUGH).
It's because of the restrictions that this series attracts me. Working on the assumption that as you can't do that much modifying, it would help to keep the cost down. (?)HSCC is very limited in what you can run. i.e.e I have a TR4 and TR6 that have plastic panels and webbers, but cannot run either in this very restricted series (HORSES FOR COURSES THOUGH).
As much as I'd like to have a front row running car, I'm not under any illusions. I'm sure that you a) have to be a very decent driver and b) you need to give the credit card a good pasting. I'd be happy to start with basic car and basic mods and build up the car AND the experience over a number of years.
The website for this series suggests a budget of between £5K and £10K could get you up and running. And to be fair, my funds would be restricted to this kind of operating cost. I wouldn't be able to do every round anyway and would be happy being mid-field in a couple or so races in one season and building from there.
I just want to get in and mix it on a track for the buzz. I'm a competitive person and love to win but I'm a realist and expect it to be more for the fun than winning prizes as and when I start.
I race (money permitting) a 1974 Vauxhall Firenza Droop Snoot with this club http://www.classictouringcars.com/
Very good club, lots of different championships and it's cheaper than the Heritage Grand Touring cars and the Masters Groovy Baby Series. There are good rules and regulations, (unlike the Heritage) and nice people to boot.
If you want something more relaxed and a bit different then I'd agree with the above on CSCC Future Classics or Roadgoing.
Very good club, lots of different championships and it's cheaper than the Heritage Grand Touring cars and the Masters Groovy Baby Series. There are good rules and regulations, (unlike the Heritage) and nice people to boot.
If you want something more relaxed and a bit different then I'd agree with the above on CSCC Future Classics or Roadgoing.
jellison said:
In that case the best car is most likely an MGB - they can really be made to go will within their rules. Or maybe an Tr4 Steel panels on SU tuned up a bit.
Good luck - if you need and help on this just PM me.
Fancy a dabble in a TVR 3000M. Good luck - if you need and help on this just PM me.
Thanks for the offer of help - hopefully be in touch some time soon.
GBRM said:
If you want something more relaxed and a bit different then I'd agree with the above on CSCC Future Classics or Roadgoing.
Edited by lazyitus on Wednesday 27th August 14:35
lazy
i raced in heritage for a couple for a couple of years, a massive road accident back end of last year has forced me to sit out this year
historics is great as people tend not to have much to prove, they just want to have a race and use their cars.
as has been said above there are plenty of series and cars to choose from.
my reccomendations are..
1) choose a car you like and know that parts can be bought easily, sure a zapstaza 750 bellarosa will look great, but whats the use when you need bits! choose a car that suits, minis are best (biased
) as they are cheap (ish) tuning bits are easy to cut - failing that mg's, migits etc are good, anything that has been used before - let someone else have the hassle of making bits for the cars.
2) choose the regs, obviously appendix k will be expensive, hscc etc have fairly strict rules, heritage doesnt. daft as it sounds its normally cheaper to build a car to open regs than strict rules, as strict rules tend to invite people reading between the lines and 'rare' parts forcing prices up. for example appendix k require a proper cooper s - so thats 1500quid for a logbook, an s motor will be 2 grand for a core unit - my core motor cost 50 quid.
3) choose you mods carefully, some mods are easily swopped (perspex for example) to allow you to race in other classes, but chopping the body around to make it a lightweight will not be fixed overnight, for example my car could be made legal to race in the hscc series with a minimal outlay and a few nights work.
4) the other thing of course is costs. racing is dear, so you need to account for money. heritage, while expensive is good in this respect as each round is two events - normally one 30 min single driver race, then a 2 driver 40 min, however these extra costs can be offset against fuel getting there etc, when compared to other series only doing single driver 25 min (or single driver double headers). also look at what else is racing, some series use the poor tracks and you can end up been the dog enders - the last race of the day.
what ever you do enjoy it!
i raced in heritage for a couple for a couple of years, a massive road accident back end of last year has forced me to sit out this year
historics is great as people tend not to have much to prove, they just want to have a race and use their cars.
as has been said above there are plenty of series and cars to choose from.
my reccomendations are..
1) choose a car you like and know that parts can be bought easily, sure a zapstaza 750 bellarosa will look great, but whats the use when you need bits! choose a car that suits, minis are best (biased
) as they are cheap (ish) tuning bits are easy to cut - failing that mg's, migits etc are good, anything that has been used before - let someone else have the hassle of making bits for the cars.2) choose the regs, obviously appendix k will be expensive, hscc etc have fairly strict rules, heritage doesnt. daft as it sounds its normally cheaper to build a car to open regs than strict rules, as strict rules tend to invite people reading between the lines and 'rare' parts forcing prices up. for example appendix k require a proper cooper s - so thats 1500quid for a logbook, an s motor will be 2 grand for a core unit - my core motor cost 50 quid.
3) choose you mods carefully, some mods are easily swopped (perspex for example) to allow you to race in other classes, but chopping the body around to make it a lightweight will not be fixed overnight, for example my car could be made legal to race in the hscc series with a minimal outlay and a few nights work.
4) the other thing of course is costs. racing is dear, so you need to account for money. heritage, while expensive is good in this respect as each round is two events - normally one 30 min single driver race, then a 2 driver 40 min, however these extra costs can be offset against fuel getting there etc, when compared to other series only doing single driver 25 min (or single driver double headers). also look at what else is racing, some series use the poor tracks and you can end up been the dog enders - the last race of the day.
what ever you do enjoy it!
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