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I'd like a bit of advice please.
I'm thinking about the porsche club championship for next season. I really damaged my knee a couple of years ago and so I only drive paddle shift gear box cars these days (it really hurts to heel and toe). It's just about possible that I might get permission to use a PDK car under certain conditions. That would limit me to class 1 and probably limit me to a 987.2 Cayman.
So here are my questions:
1. Build or buy, then convert ? There is quite a big jump up in price between a 987.1 race car and a 987.2 race car. Considering there is almost nothing one can do to the engine in the 987.2 and all cars are running close to road spec brakes no huge Alcons or brembos with mono block this and fully floating that and no aero no crazy carbon fibre, no fully rose jointed suspension. Some of the prices are getting in the same neighbourhood as an Aston Gt4 race car. So is it better build from a Cat C road car ?
2. What do you think it costs to build a cayman race car? I would imagine that the single biggest cost is fitting the cage, as everything has to come out of the car. New Audi TT cup cars are supposed to come out at something like 20-25k plus the cost of the donor. Is this where the Caymans end up?
3, What do the race insurance costs end up looking like ?
Thanks all.
I'm thinking about the porsche club championship for next season. I really damaged my knee a couple of years ago and so I only drive paddle shift gear box cars these days (it really hurts to heel and toe). It's just about possible that I might get permission to use a PDK car under certain conditions. That would limit me to class 1 and probably limit me to a 987.2 Cayman.
So here are my questions:
1. Build or buy, then convert ? There is quite a big jump up in price between a 987.1 race car and a 987.2 race car. Considering there is almost nothing one can do to the engine in the 987.2 and all cars are running close to road spec brakes no huge Alcons or brembos with mono block this and fully floating that and no aero no crazy carbon fibre, no fully rose jointed suspension. Some of the prices are getting in the same neighbourhood as an Aston Gt4 race car. So is it better build from a Cat C road car ?
2. What do you think it costs to build a cayman race car? I would imagine that the single biggest cost is fitting the cage, as everything has to come out of the car. New Audi TT cup cars are supposed to come out at something like 20-25k plus the cost of the donor. Is this where the Caymans end up?
3, What do the race insurance costs end up looking like ?
Thanks all.
Can’t help with the specifics of your questions I am afraid but might be worth talking to EMC Motorsport, I am pretty sure they built a Cayman for Natalie McGloin to race and rally and I assume that’s was paddle shift as she is tetraplegic.
https://www.facebook.com/emcmotorsport/?locale=en_...
https://www.facebook.com/emcmotorsport/?locale=en_...
andy97 said:
Can’t help with the specifics of your questions I am afraid but might be worth talking to EMC Motorsport, I am pretty sure they built a Cayman for Natalie McGloin to race and rally and I assume that’s was paddle shift as she is tetraplegic.
https://www.facebook.com/emcmotorsport/?locale=en_...
^ - this https://www.facebook.com/emcmotorsport/?locale=en_...
EMC have built a lot of boxster and caymans for Porsche club racing, Alex is also an ex club championship winner so they know their stuff on and off track.
Steve H built a Cayman - full build and season 1 thread here, and season 2 thread here.
It would be worth dropping him an email to see if he can help out.
It would be worth dropping him an email to see if he can help out.
Build / Buy / then convert ... ?
There are cars for sale that have already run in the championship ... but other than Nathalie PDK was not an option since this came in only with gen.2 cars and so far as I am aware these are yet to be included ... happy to be corrected !
If I had the choice I would always try for gen.2 since my own experience of gen.1 engines was that they suffered a lot of failures. Hartech worked hard to make these work but I think they were reviewing the engines every four races ? ... Again happy to be corrected.
In GT4 Clubsport series' many of the gen 2 engines ran for three years before being stripped only to find that they just needed reassembling with new bearings, bushes and gaskets ... but oil was changed after each race because this would often reach 150C hence oil temperature warnings being disabled !
Depending upon where you are, if close to Leeds Strasse could offer you some good advice on build costs and specification options ... nothing is cheap in racing and accidents have to be paid for. When I raced the very expensive insurance saved, paid for my accidents ... but not the engine rebuild ...
There are cars for sale that have already run in the championship ... but other than Nathalie PDK was not an option since this came in only with gen.2 cars and so far as I am aware these are yet to be included ... happy to be corrected !
If I had the choice I would always try for gen.2 since my own experience of gen.1 engines was that they suffered a lot of failures. Hartech worked hard to make these work but I think they were reviewing the engines every four races ? ... Again happy to be corrected.
In GT4 Clubsport series' many of the gen 2 engines ran for three years before being stripped only to find that they just needed reassembling with new bearings, bushes and gaskets ... but oil was changed after each race because this would often reach 150C hence oil temperature warnings being disabled !
Depending upon where you are, if close to Leeds Strasse could offer you some good advice on build costs and specification options ... nothing is cheap in racing and accidents have to be paid for. When I raced the very expensive insurance saved, paid for my accidents ... but not the engine rebuild ...
PorscheGirl said:
I have thought about Calm.
I don’t imagine the costs of getting a car on the grid or running it will be much cheaper but the driving standards seem pretty good
I’d say running would be a lot cheaper, people aren’t throwing tyres at the cars every roundI don’t imagine the costs of getting a car on the grid or running it will be much cheaper but the driving standards seem pretty good
Car purchase likely the same, but ongoing costs a fair bit lower I’d imagine
Damn straight. I’m not entirely sure how people can toast a set of tyres in 50 minutes on track plus a bit of quali when they’re running hard slicks. The caymans are light, running zero aero and stock size brakes.
If I was gifted enough to put the car on the front 2 rows then I might want a fresh set but otherwise I would be spending money in the wrong place ! I can tell you, that I won’t be buying new tyres ever weekend unless I really do knacker them or I’m at the front and want to stay there. There is no chance that I’m going to be at the front in my first season.
If I was gifted enough to put the car on the front 2 rows then I might want a fresh set but otherwise I would be spending money in the wrong place ! I can tell you, that I won’t be buying new tyres ever weekend unless I really do knacker them or I’m at the front and want to stay there. There is no chance that I’m going to be at the front in my first season.
It would be worth checking the latest regs for '25 ... I thought that Class 1 had been limited to sets of tyres because teams in the high points had been known to fit new slicks for quali', race 1 and race 2 !
Class 2 tyre regs will be different from Class 1 ...
On the other hand, there would have been good availability for slicks that were only just past their first flush of grip ... but like you I wore out my tyres ... a middle runner ...
It's been mentioned elsewhere that tyre availability has also been an issue ....
Whatever you do you will most probably benefit from team support ... worth thinking about.
Class 2 tyre regs will be different from Class 1 ...
On the other hand, there would have been good availability for slicks that were only just past their first flush of grip ... but like you I wore out my tyres ... a middle runner ...
It's been mentioned elsewhere that tyre availability has also been an issue ....
Whatever you do you will most probably benefit from team support ... worth thinking about.
Edited by ChrisW. on Friday 5th July 10:11
mattnoss said:
Have you considered the Porsche CALM series who run with the 750MC, A couple of mates run/have run with them. The rules are a lot more relaxed re car spec but the downside is it is a series and not a championship.
Really impressed with Chris H 718 cayman and the the lovely 987.2 with the new aero kit that’s running in CALM. That would do nicely !I looked at new millennium. It’s not really for me. I really would love to race against as similar cars as possible. The idea of lining up on a grid of Porsches which have very similar power to weight ratios sounds really good fun. Add in the high driving standards/ no contact formula (of calm) and it might be the perfect 1st year…perhaps?
Might be worth talking to Duncan at country classics racing
https://www.countyclassicsracing.co.uk/
He builds and runs quite a few Porsches, I believe he also has a clean cayman donor car as well.
https://www.countyclassicsracing.co.uk/
He builds and runs quite a few Porsches, I believe he also has a clean cayman donor car as well.
Duc907 said:
There's already a PDK Cayman racing in CALM - its a new build this year - if the owners aren't along here soon drop the CALM organiser a line and I'm sure he'll be able to put you in touch with them so you can compare notes on who did what and for how much.
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