Thinking of doing a couple of Sprints advice on car regs

[kartman24]

I used to do a bit of Sprinting and circuit racing back in the late 1980`s and am thinking of doing a couple of Sprints again this year, can anyone advise on car safety regs for a 1960 built car, what do i need safety wise?

Edited by kartman24 on Friday 21st April 23:41

[Galveston]

All depends on the class you enter. If you’re in “Road Going” (original engine block, retained interior, not too much chopping about underneath) then you just need a sticker by the ignition switch and some yellow tape on the battery earth cable. And helmet, overalls and gloves.

As soon as you go into the “Modified Production” or “Sports Libre” classes then you’re into full cages etc, and you’ll need a HANS or equivalent.

[LukeBrown66]

I think you need to comply with the MSA tyre rules, you need to highlight the towing eye, and you also need a timing strut obviously, but yes overalls, gloves and a compliant lid, tape on battery earth and ignition switch is all.

And then you have the tangle of clubs and associations you need to register with lol!

[anonymous-user]

As mentioned it depends on the type of car not the age. The rest is easy, the blue book has regs for current safety equipment etc

most local clubs will be invited clubs for a few regional associations so you can compete at a number of places. Eg. Bristol Motor Club always were a member of the ASWMC (South West) West Midlands and the Welsh championships so you could compete at some good events.

License is easy to as it’s all online,

[df76]

Galveston said:

All depends on the class you enter. If you’re in “Road Going” (original engine block, retained interior, not too much chopping about underneath) then you just need a sticker by the ignition switch and some yellow tape on the battery earth cable. And helmet, overalls and gloves.

As soon as you go into the “Modified Production” or “Sports Libre” classes then you’re into full cages etc, and you’ll need a HANS or equivalent.

Running a “road car” class vehicle is easy, literally nothing to do other than some tape. MSUK also slightly tweaked the personal equipment rules, so no longer a need for gloves in the road car classes, and you can use cheaper proban overalls as well (although nomex ones are usually available on eBay for a decent price).

If your car falls in the “modified” classes, then it becomes slightly more complicated.

[kartman24]

Thanks for the replies, the car will be in the road going over 2 litre class, i have some Kart racing overalls, they are probably about 15 years old now but only wore them for a couple of seasons, wonder if i can still get into them!

[df76]

kartman24 said:

Thanks for the replies, the car will be in the road going over 2 litre class, i have some Kart racing overalls, they are probably about 15 years old now but only wore them for a couple of seasons, wonder if i can still get into them!

You need to double check the spec of the kart overalls, they usually don’t meet the fireproof requirements.

Interesting car. I’m guessing some sort of limited edition kit type historic car. It can’t be run in the road car classes where a certain number need to exist. You might need a bit of specialist advice (from a scrutineer) on where that would fit in terms of classes, and what safety kit allowances that gives you.

[kartman24]

Fairthorpe Zeta, 6 made last complete one left, will speak to the scrutineer as suggested.

[anonymous-user]

most clubs/championships will have two separate road going classes, one called “production” or “series” for popular stuff made in large numbers like Clio 182s etc, then another called “limited” or something similar, again for road going cars, but built in much smaller numbers like Caterhams. Both “series” and “limited” should have only very limited mods permitted

ASWMC as below

A0. Junior Driver Class competing in Standard Cars up to 1400cc.
A1. Road Cars Series Production up to 1400cc.
A2. Road Cars Series Production over 1400cc and up to 1800cc.
A3. Road Cars Series Production over 1800cc and up to 2600cc.
A4. Road Cars Series Production over 2600cc.
B1. Road Cars Specialist Production. Car engines up to 1400cc.
B2. Road Cars Specialist Production. Car engines over 1400cc up to 1800cc.
B3. Road Cars Specialist Production. Car engines over 1800cc and all Motor Cycle Engines.
C1. Modified Cars Series Production up to 1400cc.
C2. Modified Cars Series Production over 1400cc up to 1800cc.
C3. Modified Cars Series Production over 1800cc.
C4. Modified Cars Specialist Production Car engines & Motor cycle engines.
D1. Sports Libre Cars up to 1800cc.
D2. Sports Libre Cars over 1800cc.
D3. Rally Cars.
E1. Racing cars up to 1100cc.
E2. Racing cars over 1100cc and up to 1600cc.
E3. Racing cars over 1600cc and up to 2000cc.
E4. Racing cars over 2000cc.

But the HSA run the following;

S1Standard Cars up to 2000cc
S2Juniors
A1Road Cars Series Production up to 1400cc
A2Road Cars Series Production over 1400cc & up to 2000cc
A2.1Road Cars Series Production Mazda MX5s up to 2000cc
A3Road Cars Series Production over 2000cc 2WD
A4Road Cars Series Production 4-Wheel Drive, over 2000cc
U1Classic Saloon and Sports Cars built up to 31.12.1975
B1Road Cars Specialist Production up to 1700cc
B2Road Cars Specialist Production over 1700cc
C1Modified Cars Series Production up to 1400cc
C2Modified Cars Series Production over 1400cc & up to 2000cc
C3Modified Cars Series Production over 2000cc
DModified Cars Specialist Production
U2Modified Classic, Specialist Saloon and Sports Cars built up to 31.12.1975
FSports Libre Cars
HRacing Cars up to 600cc
IRacing Cars over 600cc & up to 1100cc
JRacing Cars over 1100cc & up to 1600cc
J1Formula Ford 1600 Racing Cars manufactured before 1.1.1994
KRacing Cars over 1600cc & up to 2000cc
LRacing Cars over 2000cc
WClassic Racing Cars and Sports Racing Cars built up to 31.12.1975

So in ASWMC events you’d most likely drop in to B3 but in a HSA event, you might find yourself in W depending upon their own regulations…

S11/S12 in the blue book will be your point of reference

Personally I’d look for a classic/historic class with a handicap system in place otherwise you’ll be last by a long way (which I appreciate may not be an issue)

[Truckosaurus]

pablo said:

...Personally I’d look for a classic/historic class with a handicap system in place otherwise you’ll be last by a long way (which I appreciate may not be an issue)

Or something like the 'Classic Marques' club that runs on a power-to-weight scheme and has a nice variety of older cars competing.

http://www.cmscc.co.uk/

[LukeBrown66]

some of the series I have seen run different classes again to be honest

[df76]

pablo said:

most clubs/championships will have two separate road going classes, one called “production” or “series” for popular stuff made in large numbers like Clio 182s etc, then another called “limited” or something similar, again for road going cars, but built in much smaller numbers like Caterhams. Both “series” and “limited” should have only very limited mods permitted

ASWMC as below

A0. Junior Driver Class competing in Standard Cars up to 1400cc.
A1. Road Cars Series Production up to 1400cc.
A2. Road Cars Series Production over 1400cc and up to 1800cc.
A3. Road Cars Series Production over 1800cc and up to 2600cc.
A4. Road Cars Series Production over 2600cc.
B1. Road Cars Specialist Production. Car engines up to 1400cc.
B2. Road Cars Specialist Production. Car engines over 1400cc up to 1800cc.
B3. Road Cars Specialist Production. Car engines over 1800cc and all Motor Cycle Engines.
C1. Modified Cars Series Production up to 1400cc.
C2. Modified Cars Series Production over 1400cc up to 1800cc.
C3. Modified Cars Series Production over 1800cc.
C4. Modified Cars Specialist Production Car engines & Motor cycle engines.
D1. Sports Libre Cars up to 1800cc.
D2. Sports Libre Cars over 1800cc.
D3. Rally Cars.
E1. Racing cars up to 1100cc.
E2. Racing cars over 1100cc and up to 1600cc.
E3. Racing cars over 1600cc and up to 2000cc.
E4. Racing cars over 2000cc.

But the HSA run the following;

S1Standard Cars up to 2000cc
S2Juniors
A1Road Cars Series Production up to 1400cc
A2Road Cars Series Production over 1400cc & up to 2000cc
A2.1Road Cars Series Production Mazda MX5s up to 2000cc
A3Road Cars Series Production over 2000cc 2WD
A4Road Cars Series Production 4-Wheel Drive, over 2000cc
U1Classic Saloon and Sports Cars built up to 31.12.1975
B1Road Cars Specialist Production up to 1700cc
B2Road Cars Specialist Production over 1700cc
C1Modified Cars Series Production up to 1400cc
C2Modified Cars Series Production over 1400cc & up to 2000cc
C3Modified Cars Series Production over 2000cc
DModified Cars Specialist Production
U2Modified Classic, Specialist Saloon and Sports Cars built up to 31.12.1975
FSports Libre Cars
HRacing Cars up to 600cc
IRacing Cars over 600cc & up to 1100cc
JRacing Cars over 1100cc & up to 1600cc
J1Formula Ford 1600 Racing Cars manufactured before 1.1.1994
KRacing Cars over 1600cc & up to 2000cc
LRacing Cars over 2000cc
WClassic Racing Cars and Sports Racing Cars built up to 31.12.1975

So in ASWMC events you’d most likely drop in to B3 but in a HSA event, you might find yourself in W depending upon their own regulations…

S11/S12 in the blue book will be your point of reference

Personally I’d look for a classic/historic class with a handicap system in place otherwise you’ll be last by a long way (which I appreciate may not be an issue)

I think it would struggle to even qualify for any “specialist production” class, as a minimum of 20 chassis must be produced in a single year. This car wouldn’t qualify for that. Finding a home in a historic class is likely to be the best option, and it’s a car with some heritage so I’m sure it could be made to happen.

[Truckosaurus]

LukeBrown66 said:

some of the series I have seen run different classes again to be honest

Indeed. The disparate class structure between regions, venues and clubs is the biggest barrier to entry the sport has.

It would a brave organiser who tries to align things around the country as you'd alienate a large part of the current entrants who've built their cars to their local regs in the vague hope you'd attract new entrants.

[stevieturbo]

How random...this popped up on my FB today too on the Brighton Speed trials page. Same person ? Same car

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1882409695474...

[stevieturbo]

You could consider some Javelin sprints ? Or there may be other groups.

They tend to be more friendly towards unusual vehicles, than the likes of MSUK which can be very difficult with such things. MSUK seem intent on driving out the lower ends of motorsport

[LukeBrown66]

Lolo my point exactly.

[kartman24]

`How random...this popped up on my FB today too on the Brighton Speed trials page. Same person ? Same car`

Same car, 1960 Brighton Speed trials, car was owned and driven at the event by R.G (Bob) Linwood, yes i put the post on the Brighton Speed Trials forum, hoping to do the event as the car was there in 60.

[stevieturbo]

Very cool that's still about and being used.