EnduroKA First Race Winners
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MSVR, when you are promoting a one make series as cheap racing where a bunch of friends can get together and build a car that can be competitive it does you no favours when the supplier of the control parts, with huge resources and experience, is allowed to enter a car and win. Discuss
The grid wasn't full today, you should think about this MSVR.
I and a few others were going to build a car to compete in the later races in this series, we shan't be bothering now and will look elsewhere.
The grid wasn't full today, you should think about this MSVR.
I and a few others were going to build a car to compete in the later races in this series, we shan't be bothering now and will look elsewhere.
Edited by Shicksy on Saturday 6th April 19:31
We went to watch to and to be fair to the winners they had to work for it. The first 5 cars up until the driver changes were nose to tail, there was certainly no performance benefit from any of those teams, Burton Power being one of them.
If your team consists purely of fast drivers then you are always going to do well.
I wouldnt look at the C1 challenge if you are this delicate about the results today...
If your team consists purely of fast drivers then you are always going to do well.
I wouldnt look at the C1 challenge if you are this delicate about the results today...
So, the crack team with a supposed unfair advantages finishes < 1m 10s ahead of its rival.
To the independent teams that's good - it shows they're not a million miles away.
If the 2nd place team hadn't made 6 trips into the pits instead of 4 it may have been a different outcome.
It seemed a pretty even feels, with a leading group of 6 cars or so, all within a whiff and a sniff of each other, then a number of smaller teams clustered together.
To the independent teams that's good - it shows they're not a million miles away.
If the 2nd place team hadn't made 6 trips into the pits instead of 4 it may have been a different outcome.
It seemed a pretty even feels, with a leading group of 6 cars or so, all within a whiff and a sniff of each other, then a number of smaller teams clustered together.
I know a few teams had problems getting the control parts thereby limiting their development of their car through lengthy testing. I wouldn't imagine Burton Power had trouble getting hold of control parts for their car! Burton Power have a certain amount of control over the control parts. Control parts are there to level the playing field, Competitors have no control over the control parts, oh hold on!
It's very rare for a company who have an interest in a race series to be allowed to enter a car into that series, there's a very good reason for that.
It's very rare for a company who have an interest in a race series to be allowed to enter a car into that series, there's a very good reason for that.
Shicksy said:
I know a few teams had problems getting the control parts thereby limiting their development of their car through lengthy testing. I wouldn't imagine Burton Power had trouble getting hold of control parts for their car! Burton Power have a certain amount of control over the control parts. Control parts are there to level the playing field, Competitors have no control over the control parts, oh hold on!
It's very rare for a company who have an interest in a race series to be allowed to enter a car into that series, there's a very good reason for that.
Burton would have specced and organised the control parts, of course they wouldn't of had trouble. I think you're grasping a bit. It's a fairly big financial gamble to get 30 kits developed with no testing that it's all suitable and then announce a series. It's very rare for a company who have an interest in a race series to be allowed to enter a car into that series, there's a very good reason for that.
This is why you see all the 750mc/MSVR startups drip feed new "the cheapest racing ever" idea's, with the organizers speccing, building/selling/running the cars. it's the professionalization/monetisation of club motorsport, it's a tried and tested routine. Remember there's Amigo Motorsport/Moores Motors/Graves motorsport along for the ride too, these teams know how to build a good car and run a good event and a lot of teams have had cars built since the first test days.
If you dont want to build a KA, there's C1's and 2cv's that do long races but will cost more with a much taller knowledge gap to climb.. or even club enduro, pick up a race-ready hot hatch for 4k and off you go.
I really wouldn't let this put you off entering at all. They qualified in 7th for the start and were definitely not the quickest team there on the day. But they had a good pit lane strategy and a reliable car, whereas others fell down and had to pit very late in the race for fuel/tyres.
We only made it onto the podium as car 92 had to pit with seven minutes to go as their front left tyre was destroyed. We lost a lot of time from Pete taking a penalty by mistake and even our only key snapped during our third pit stop – if we were a bit more polished we may have finished 2nd or even 1st.
Caterham let their staff (including CEO) race in their own championships – I'm sure there's plenty of other examples out there. Get involved and come along and have fun with us; we'll try and knock them off the top spot together at Snetterton!
We only made it onto the podium as car 92 had to pit with seven minutes to go as their front left tyre was destroyed. We lost a lot of time from Pete taking a penalty by mistake and even our only key snapped during our third pit stop – if we were a bit more polished we may have finished 2nd or even 1st.
Caterham let their staff (including CEO) race in their own championships – I'm sure there's plenty of other examples out there. Get involved and come along and have fun with us; we'll try and knock them off the top spot together at Snetterton!
ribiero said:
Burton would have specced and organised the control parts, of course they wouldn't of had trouble. I think you're grasping a bit. It's a fairly big financial gamble to get 30 kits developed with no testing that it's all suitable and then announce a series.
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The series was announced before any control parts were produced. As for testing by Burton Power the springs certainly weren't tested. They were sold to people who then found out they were far too soft and they all had to be recalled and replaced. Anyway a company can produce parts and test them without ultimately entering the series, many do. .
There's something not right about a company with such an interest in the control being able to enter a car, nothing here convinces me otherwise and after speaking to others involved in the series I'm not the only person who thinks this.
Shicksy said:
There's something not right about a company with such an interest in the control being able to enter a car,
It's fairly common for a series sponsor to enter a car, especially in something like this, you normally end up with a sponsor involved (and supplying control parts) because someone who works for them wanted to enter in the first place, or even came up with the idea for the series.You also need to remember that anyone who enters isn't racing for anything much more than a bit of fun and a plastic trophy, with no prize money involved, there's little incentive for someone like Burton to fudge their way to the top.
If there's any cheating which goes on (and there will be...) it's very rarely from someone at the top, it'll be someone who was near the back who suddenly ends up mid pack, because they're not the ones the scrutineers bother giving a second glance.
Shicksy said:
There's something not right about a company with such an interest in the control being able to enter a car, nothing here convinces me otherwise and after speaking to others involved in the series I'm not the only person who thinks this.
So are you implying that the control parts on their car aren't the same as the control parts on others? Seems like a pretty big accusation.Anyway there is far more "advantage" to be gained in a series like this by blueprinting and testing a few engines plus lots and lots of testing.
If you're that worried about others "cheating" or having "unfair" advantages then I'd suggest you try a different pastime. It's only a bit of fun with mates at the end of the day. It's not a stepping stone to BTCC or F1.
Shicksy said:
ribiero said:
Burton would have specced and organised the control parts, of course they wouldn't of had trouble. I think you're grasping a bit. It's a fairly big financial gamble to get 30 kits developed with no testing that it's all suitable and then announce a series.
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The series was announced before any control parts were produced. As for testing by Burton Power the springs certainly weren't tested. They were sold to people who then found out they were far too soft and they all had to be recalled and replaced. Anyway a company can produce parts and test them without ultimately entering the series, many do. .
There's something not right about a company with such an interest in the control being able to enter a car, nothing here convinces me otherwise and after speaking to others involved in the series I'm not the only person who thinks this.
To be honest we didn't even see the Burton Power car coming during the race, they kept their heads down and bumped up the order over the distance, if they had taken pole and waltzed it you may have a point, but they didn't!
Welcome to the forum by the way Shicksy, nice to know you signed up just to create this thread. Incidently dont the C1Club also run at least 1 car in their races? they seem to do quite well too from what I recall, I presume you hold them to similar standards considering they have a large say in the regulations of uk C1 racing?
ribiero said:
Welcome to the forum by the way Shicksy, nice to know you signed up just to create this thread. Incidently dont the C1Club also run at least 1 car in their races? they seem to do quite well too from what I recall, I presume you hold them to similar standards considering they have a large say in the regulations of uk C1 racing?
While you are right the club themselves don't actually race the car they have paying drivers drivers in it and a team to run it! Think of it as a press car that gets raced.We raced in that event and were alongside the Burton car many times - it was no faster or slower than anything else on the grid. They won by staying out of trouble. Nothing wrong with them entering a car, there have always been lots of series where the championship owners operate cars in it, as long as they are subject to the same same independent scrutiny as the others then it's fine.
In this instance it gives Burton a insight into the cars, gives people access to them in the paddock and hopefully the development of the cars and series will be better for it.
Stephen
In this instance it gives Burton a insight into the cars, gives people access to them in the paddock and hopefully the development of the cars and series will be better for it.
Stephen
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