Citroen C1 Challenge

[Moonlite Fingers]

I have a car

[Moonlite Fingers]

What I meant was, I need paying drivers or people interested in entry level racing experience

[Kraken]

Hope you own a bodyshop or have a friendly panel beater...

[geeks]

Moonlite Fingers said:

What I meant was, I need paying drivers or people interested in entry level racing experience

You need to work on your pitch..... a lot!

[Moonlite Fingers]

Being reshelled as we speak to deal with 2018 panel damage

[Dan BSCS]

geeks said:

You need to work on your pitch..... a lot!

This!

There are a lot more cars out there than there are paying drivers so good luck.

Dan

[Sheetmaself]

As someone who has never raced before and doesn’t have the funds or time to take this up seriously would i be able to race for just one weekend on a novice flag after doing a bit of training to get the lowest grade of license?

If so what kind of upfront costs would be involved and what possible costs ie if i crash, could be involved?

[Thurbs]

Sheetmaself said:

As someone who has never raced before and doesn’t have the funds or time to take this up seriously would i be able to race for just one weekend on a novice flag after doing a bit of training to get the lowest grade of license?

Yes. You will be slow as fk. Also you will not get a drive in a fast car or with other fast drivers. If you have no expectations of being anything other than near the back then that is great.

Sheetmaself said:

If so what kind of upfront costs would be involved and what possible costs ie if i crash, could be involved?

I was offered a drive in a 24 hour race with 6 other drivers for £1,200 + damage all in. No idea how competative this is and I wasn't interested so didn't persue. Damage is usually not charged for bashed pannels in "rubbing" incidents but more serious impacts such as with a wall / rolling etc. Costs could be up to the total rebuild value of the car. Note, regardless of fault, the driver is still liable.

HTH.

[geeks]

Thurbs said:

Sheetmaself said:

As someone who has never raced before and doesn’t have the funds or time to take this up seriously would i be able to race for just one weekend on a novice flag after doing a bit of training to get the lowest grade of license?

Yes. You will be slow as fk. Also you will not get a drive in a fast car or with other fast drivers. If you have no expectations of being anything other than near the back then that is great.

Sheetmaself said:

If so what kind of upfront costs would be involved and what possible costs ie if i crash, could be involved?

I was offered a drive in a 24 hour race with 6 other drivers for £1,200 + damage all in. No idea how competative this is and I wasn't interested so didn't persue. Damage is usually not charged for bashed pannels in "rubbing" incidents but more serious impacts such as with a wall / rolling etc. Costs could be up to the total rebuild value of the car. Note, regardless of fault, the driver is still liable.

HTH.

Can only echo what Thurbs has said, although that said, Thurbs have a go, honestly its alot more fun than you would think!

1200 in a team of six is about right I would say depending on where it is, if its Spa (which as a novice you couldnt do) then it will be an awful lot more.

[Spew]

It's not that bad. If you've done trackdays you'll be fine.

We're were three blokes with no experience at the start of this year. We bought and built a car (cage welded by a pro, the rest we did ourselves), did our ARDS tests at Castle Combe in Feb and went racing for the first time ever in Pembrey. Qualified 38th out of 39 and finished 21st in a five hour race. An epic experience and one I thoroughly recommend having a crack at if you have the means.

Don't forget you'll need your own safety gear that doesn't need to be new, but must be in date. Overalls, boots, gloves and a helmet with HANS device.

[andy97]

Moonlite Fingers said:

Being reshelled as we speak to deal with 2018 panel damage

Probably won't be the only time!
I think that some people confuse "low cost Motorsport" with "disposable motorsport".

I am glad I did the first C1 Rockingham 24, but I won't be doing another one.


£1200 for a drive between 6 drivers in the uk (ie 2 x 2 hours stints plus practice) plus damage is probably about right. I think we each agreed to pay for a reshell between us and each payed out another £400 from memory on the basis that we had all the required bits and we're just paying for labour.

Edited by andy97 on Friday 14th December 19:13

[rallycross]

I see MSV have officially launched enduro Ka, once again far too many race series doing the same thing, and running around is a rusty old Ka with that wheezy engine does not sound like a good basis for a new series!

[Kraken]

rallycross said:

I see MSV have officially launched enduro Ka, once again far too many race series doing the same thing, and running around is a rusty old Ka with that wheezy engine does not sound like a good basis for a new series!

Always the way. Whenever there is a series not every can win so splinter groups form leading to new clubs and dilution of the original. There's always someone in a series bhing about cliques etc so they run off with their toys.

However the KA has a much better power to weight ratio and, from my personal experience in racing in series run by both, I would much prefer to race in an MSV series rather than a BARC one.

[geeks]

Kraken said:

rallycross said:

I see MSV have officially launched enduro Ka, once again far too many race series doing the same thing, and running around is a rusty old Ka with that wheezy engine does not sound like a good basis for a new series!

Always the way. Whenever there is a series not every can win so splinter groups form leading to new clubs and dilution of the original. There's always someone in a series bhing about cliques etc so they run off with their toys.

However the KA has a much better power to weight ratio and, from my personal experience in racing in series run by both, I would much prefer to race in an MSV series rather than a BARC one.

To be fair to both BARC and MSV it was officially announced some 6+ months ago so not a great deal of time after the C1 Challenge stuff came about and began gathering momentum in the fashion it has. There is room for both to exist and to be truthful the power/weight maybe different but lap times are extremely similar around the likes of Silverstone, both cars are pretty slow, lets be honest here!

Also its not come about as result of people not being capable of competing in the C1s it came about as MSV wanted to fill what is an obvious gap in their offering that a C1 style series could fill.

What I don't understand is this recent influx of other stuff, such as the 116 Challenge, something that makes no sense to me!

[MG CHRIS]

Cscc have also launched the rx8 cup too which will run as a class in the new millennium series and so far 20cages have been built by laser cages for cars mine included in that number. Cost capped controlled formula with little mods make going racing cheaper especially as you can share with a mate.

AT least with the rx8 its a sports car to start with can't think of much worse than going round a track in a c1 or ka tbh.

[DanTVR]

An RX8 is not a sports car

[Kraken]

I wonder how many will make it through the season? I had two of them on the road and they were god awful things reliability wise but great when they worked.

[MG CHRIS]

The organisers rx8 has done well over 500 miles on track during testing at castle combe and being out all day long at the Silverstone motorsport event back in October without issue. Mine has had a recent engine rebuild by rotary motion paid £1500 for it and all in should be 4k race ready.
Will keep a update on reliability over the season.

[geeks]

MG CHRIS said:

Cscc have also launched the rx8 cup too which will run as a class in the new millennium series and so far 20cages have been built by laser cages for cars mine included in that number. Cost capped controlled formula with little mods make going racing cheaper especially as you can share with a mate.

AT least with the rx8 its a sports car to start with can't think of much worse than going round a track in a c1 or ka tbh.

All you have done is demonstrate an utter lack of imagination, I can think of far worse things that going round a track in a car, any car!

Also can we please stop acting as if the CSCC and the RX8 invented one make racing, they didn't, it's also far from the only formula that you can share with a mate.

As for the cost controlled racing thing, there is, rightly or wrongly, no such thing! Some (not all) organisers spend alot of time and resource to do what they can to ensure a formula is as cheap as it can be, but, you can't stop the creep that happens over time and you never will. You can get to a position where you can comfortably sell the idea that a car costs X and a seasons cost should be about Y but someone will always have a bigger bank balance to play with. What you do with well written regulations is negate that advantage but it doesn't stop the spend just what can be achieved with it, if you have a driver willing and able to spend each and every weekend testing and driving round in circles their costs will spiral, to keep pace with them someone else will need to do the same, tyre and maintenance bills climb as a result. Again nothing unique there about the RX8 it's common to everything from Civics to MX5's to BMWs of varying builds etc etc

I am sure the RX8 will be fine, but it will never take on any of the really established stuff and doesn't really fill a gap that isn't filled elsewhere, its only USP is a rotary engine. The RX8 isn't known for reliability regardless of any good work being done by whomever to try and remedy this.

MG CHRIS said:

The organisers rx8 has done well over 500 miles on track during testing at castle combe and being out all day long at the Silverstone motorsport event back in October without issue. Mine has had a recent engine rebuild by rotary motion paid £1500 for it and all in should be 4k race ready.
Will keep a update on reliability over the season.

Doubt it would run for 24 hours solid though.... I am also dubious that a front running one will be 4k, this isn't limited to the RX8 stuff (see above), front runners will by and large spend more than a base build cost, even if the difference is just a paint job they have still spent more however most likely the front running guys will be doing things such as replacing calipers for brand new items for an example, diff rebuilds, all new bushes, electronic safety switches..... The list is endless but will put a well built car over the 4k mark.

I have wished the RX8 well in the past but, to be frank, it's not the second coming the organisers make it out to be!

[ribiero]

geeks said:

--- unarguable points about rx8 ---

I agree with what Geeks said..

back on subject.. can you really get 2 signatures in one race weekend from C1 racing, that's almost a USP in itself