Is there 24 hours of Lemons uk?
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Yeah, this shouldn't be in tv it should be in club motorsport.
OP - as I understand it UK and European tracks don't want upstart series. Originally I thought the issue was very high track rental fees but WRL (the series I race in which is definitely not for bangers, it's just proper endurance racing with no gimmicks and no contact) had a date at COTA in February and that track is at least as expensive to rent for a weekend as most UK circuits.
I imagine the MSA doesn't want to encourage any spotty oiks?
OP - as I understand it UK and European tracks don't want upstart series. Originally I thought the issue was very high track rental fees but WRL (the series I race in which is definitely not for bangers, it's just proper endurance racing with no gimmicks and no contact) had a date at COTA in February and that track is at least as expensive to rent for a weekend as most UK circuits.
I imagine the MSA doesn't want to encourage any spotty oiks?
I believe the US LeMons series run proper safety equipment (eg. cages, seats, fuel cells etc.) so it's not too dodgy.
As has been suggested the biggest hurdle to overcome is one of snobbery, I suspect most circuit owners think 'bangers' should be racing on little dirt tracks in blue collar suburbs rather than their hallowed tarmac.
One angle could actually be to use one of the airfield trackday venues rather than a traditional circuit.
As has been suggested the biggest hurdle to overcome is one of snobbery, I suspect most circuit owners think 'bangers' should be racing on little dirt tracks in blue collar suburbs rather than their hallowed tarmac.
One angle could actually be to use one of the airfield trackday venues rather than a traditional circuit.
SystemParanoia said:
Riiiiight...
Sneer, but actual race teams also build cars for LeMons/Chump. As I said earlier, these days we also have WRL (and there's AER) which also offer affordable endurance racing without the silly themes/cars that look like they should be in a scrapyard/600 page rulebook. We raced at Mid Ohio a few weeks ago in WRL. It was supposed to be a pair of 8 hour races but Saturday's got cancelled because it snowed. Even if it had, total driver costs for the five of us sharing the car would still have been under $800 each. All sports need their grassroots, and motorsports is no different. Where in the UK could I go racing and do 16 hours of racing for under £3000? I'm not trolling either, genuinely curious. Is it sprint racing or nothing? British GT seems like a gigantic step up in costs.
750 motor skin do some 4 and 6 hour endurance stuff.
Race if Remembrance is probably the best edurance race in the uk for those on a budget and it's for a good cause. 2 hours at night, Parc Ferme then 6 hours in the Sunday with a pause at 11am for a rememberance service. There's always a good load of mx5s running and they cost little money. In fact I have an eligible car that can be rented for the weekend as I'm driving another car.
Race if Remembrance is probably the best edurance race in the uk for those on a budget and it's for a good cause. 2 hours at night, Parc Ferme then 6 hours in the Sunday with a pause at 11am for a rememberance service. There's always a good load of mx5s running and they cost little money. In fact I have an eligible car that can be rented for the weekend as I'm driving another car.
In the Uk, you'll be stuck doing farmer field stuff, true grass roots if you want to to cheap endurance racing.
Lawnmower racing and such like
http://www.12hour.co.uk/
£6 entry fee
https://flic.kr/p/yZzhPM
Lawnmower racing and such like
http://www.12hour.co.uk/
£6 entry fee
https://flic.kr/p/yZzhPM
Edited by SystemParanoia on Wednesday 27th April 09:44
http://www.750mc.co.uk/formulae/club-enduro.htm as a start? I believe the intention is to increase race lengths next year as well.
There is a 24 hour race for 2CVs on the Anglesey circuit:
http://www.2cvracing.org.uk/24hr-race-entries-open...
http://www.2cvracing.org.uk/24hr-race-entries-open...
Output Flange said:
One of the big problems in the UK is the noise restrictions in place at most circuits - they have defined operating hours and a total amount of days available in a year.
Adding a 24 hour race to the calendar at many of them would be tricky.
Tracks in the US have similar problems; Road America has noise restrictions which meant we always ran two seven-hour races over a weekend.Adding a 24 hour race to the calendar at many of them would be tricky.
Closest you get in the UK are :
360mrc (the most clubby endure)
2cv 24hr,
Irish fiesta endurance. (this is awesome)
750's endurances.
I wish a chumpcar'esque race would run over here but the MSA and Circuit owners are a tightknit group and it wouldn't stand a chance.
The rejuvenation of grassroots motorsport over in America (and the knock on effect into WRL, SCCA, NSA etc of drivers + capable mechanics) should be inspiration enough to the MSA.
It's a lot easier for Autograss/Lawnmowers/ScooterEndurances and even karting to innovate and grow purely because it can operate outside the MSA.
To put it into context.
I would be able to fly to the states + travel to the circuit, do the raceschool in the morning, rent equipment and drive for a team in a 12hr Chumpcar race and get home for less than renting a seat in a 6hr Funcup Race (and Funcup's the best bang for buck long enduro's we have)
360mrc (the most clubby endure)
2cv 24hr,
Irish fiesta endurance. (this is awesome)
750's endurances.
I wish a chumpcar'esque race would run over here but the MSA and Circuit owners are a tightknit group and it wouldn't stand a chance.
The rejuvenation of grassroots motorsport over in America (and the knock on effect into WRL, SCCA, NSA etc of drivers + capable mechanics) should be inspiration enough to the MSA.
It's a lot easier for Autograss/Lawnmowers/ScooterEndurances and even karting to innovate and grow purely because it can operate outside the MSA.
To put it into context.
I would be able to fly to the states + travel to the circuit, do the raceschool in the morning, rent equipment and drive for a team in a 12hr Chumpcar race and get home for less than renting a seat in a 6hr Funcup Race (and Funcup's the best bang for buck long enduro's we have)
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