ARDS test - advice please
Discussion
Hi all,
I'm looking at doing my ARDS test over the winter.
I was wondering if there is a particular location which is best to go to for the ARDS test, or are they all largely the same (which I'm pretty much expecting given the structure of the test). For the record, I'm based in the South West, so its the Southern England/Midland circuits which I'm looking at.
Thanks in advance!
I'm looking at doing my ARDS test over the winter.
I was wondering if there is a particular location which is best to go to for the ARDS test, or are they all largely the same (which I'm pretty much expecting given the structure of the test). For the record, I'm based in the South West, so its the Southern England/Midland circuits which I'm looking at.
Thanks in advance!
Oilchange said:
Yet to see any statistics to back up the 'one place is harder than another' argument but I did mine at Silverstone and it wasn't an easy ride.
I felt a bit of animosity, basically because I wasn't the next lewis Hamilton...
kind of backs up what I have heard, the driving part for me (at Brands) seemed just a formality, no pressure to go fast at all, just hit your apexes etc.I felt a bit of animosity, basically because I wasn't the next lewis Hamilton...
Try Mallory park www.mallorypark.co.uk very relaxed ,excellent service to clients ,calming & understanding Instructors.
High flier said:
Hi all,
I'm looking at doing my ARDS test over the winter.
I was wondering if there is a particular location which is best to go to for the ARDS test, or are they all largely the same (which I'm pretty much expecting given the structure of the test). For the record, I'm based in the South West, so its the Southern England/Midland circuits which I'm looking at.
Thanks in advance!
I'm looking at doing my ARDS test over the winter.
I was wondering if there is a particular location which is best to go to for the ARDS test, or are they all largely the same (which I'm pretty much expecting given the structure of the test). For the record, I'm based in the South West, so its the Southern England/Midland circuits which I'm looking at.
Thanks in advance!
I did my ARDS at Silverstone, admittedly 11 years ago. There were only 2 of us doing the test and we had both opted for extra tuition / track time prior to the test itself. After the practical bit the two of us chatted about how we'd got on - the other guy said 'terrible'. He'd he really struggled to remember the track and entered corners not knowing which way they went. His instructor gave him a really hard time and told him he wouldn't want to be on track with him in a race if he drove like that.
I remember thinking if he couldn't remember a circuit after an hour driving round what chance was he going to have in a 15-20 min qually in club racing? Ok it was the GP circuit, but really?!
They passed him anyway....
I remember thinking if he couldn't remember a circuit after an hour driving round what chance was he going to have in a 15-20 min qually in club racing? Ok it was the GP circuit, but really?!
They passed him anyway....
I did mine on the Stowe circuit at Silverstone. I think a lot depends on the instructor/tester. I did a morning's instruction and struggled. I didn't know the circuit and the instructor was truly terrible. He knew what to do clearly, but completely failed to find a way to impart the knowledge. I passed, but didn't enjoy the experience! Been blundering about ever since
BertBert said:
I did mine on the Stowe circuit at Silverstone. I think a lot depends on the instructor/tester. I did a morning's instruction and struggled. I didn't know the circuit and the instructor was truly terrible. He knew what to do clearly, but completely failed to find a way to impart the knowledge. I passed, but didn't enjoy the experience! Been blundering about ever since
So how come this wannabe instructor got his license? More than likely his father was a BRDC member! They have kids working there with under ten races to thier names ffs.Go to Mallory, they WILL look after you as they see you as a customer who wants to race, not just a name with money in your pocket.
Over here (Nurburgring) we have heard quite a few complaints about The Home of British motorracing instruction levels.Sorry to say it but a lot of instructors there believe they are driving gods, its the image you get told to project to clients when applying for instruction work.More like bloody arrogance! (Rant over.lol)
I guess simplistically, the problem is that instruction comes in two parts. One is the instructor knowing what the instructee should be doing. The other is knowing what to say to the instructee to get them to change their behavior.
Being a bit average, I've had plenty of instruction over the years so have seen this in action a lot. I don't think it's that rare a skill and perhaps in part it's a relationship thing, but I have experienced both good and bad. Certainly I've had instruction from people who others have raved about and I've not got on at all with it, so maybe it's not that simple after all!
It's certainly not to do with how much success you've had as a racer that makes you a great driving coach.
A couple of great examples for me... Andy Wallace is in a class of his own and clearly has had a superbly successful career. Ryan Hooker is also excellent and I hope he doesn't mind me noting that he hasn't won LeMans.
Bert
Being a bit average, I've had plenty of instruction over the years so have seen this in action a lot. I don't think it's that rare a skill and perhaps in part it's a relationship thing, but I have experienced both good and bad. Certainly I've had instruction from people who others have raved about and I've not got on at all with it, so maybe it's not that simple after all!
It's certainly not to do with how much success you've had as a racer that makes you a great driving coach.
A couple of great examples for me... Andy Wallace is in a class of his own and clearly has had a superbly successful career. Ryan Hooker is also excellent and I hope he doesn't mind me noting that he hasn't won LeMans.
Bert
In short you have to have teaching capability in the first place-without it you will only be talking to the person in the driver s seat.
Over here , it is essential to assess your pupils drivi g ability in the first few hundred metres.Drivi g style, used stick shift before (you would be surprised!)
etcetceram Race instruction in my book means race craft asll if the pupil has the intention of racing.Under these circumstances it pays to have been activly racing for a fair while as the craft is not learnt from books
Over here , it is essential to assess your pupils drivi g ability in the first few hundred metres.Drivi g style, used stick shift before (you would be surprised!)
etcetceram Race instruction in my book means race craft asll if the pupil has the intention of racing.Under these circumstances it pays to have been activly racing for a fair while as the craft is not learnt from books
Both myself and my daughter completed our course about 3 months ago at Pembrey.There were three students on the course,with one examiner/ instructor.He was more than fair, offered excellent advice and guidance above and beyond what we were expecting...more of a days instruction than a course you can pass or fail.Pembrey is a great circuit and easy to get to.
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