Opinion on racing incident.
Discussion
Not saying anything to avoid any bias.... will fill in info later.
Can I have some opinions on the incident at 8m14s in this video.
http://youtu.be/Bl14hu96qEk?t=7m58s
Can I have some opinions on the incident at 8m14s in this video.
http://youtu.be/Bl14hu96qEk?t=7m58s
looked to me fee didnt deviate her line, was on what I would say a normal line from cascades to the hairpin, the black scoob was going for a gap that simply didnt exist. plus iirc from the blue book you are allowed 1 move from either left to right or right to left to defend your line. IMO fee didnt even use that. wouldnt say any fault on her part and that has nothing to do with me knowing you both
Fee is in the middle of the road a bit there, but you would have to be pretty certain of the space you have and that the person you are passing is aware of your presence to attempt an overtake on the inside of Island bend.
If the car behind was significantly quicker, they would have been safer waiting a bit longer and attempting a pass out of shell or on the run into knickerbrook.
Island is a dangerous corner at the best of times, it looks like the car behind went for a pass and then realised there was no room and locked up the brakes hard, losing control. Fee isn't doing anything dodgy from what I can see on the video, all she may have done differently is stay more to the right at the corner entry.
If the car behind was significantly quicker, they would have been safer waiting a bit longer and attempting a pass out of shell or on the run into knickerbrook.
Island is a dangerous corner at the best of times, it looks like the car behind went for a pass and then realised there was no room and locked up the brakes hard, losing control. Fee isn't doing anything dodgy from what I can see on the video, all she may have done differently is stay more to the right at the corner entry.
From what I can see the lead car certainly did not jink or pull into the cars path, and Christ he came out of nowhere very quickly. You were using your mirrors regularly too monitoring him. I think that was a pure racing incident, it was an optimistic lunge when you were driving down the centre of the track with a left hand bend coming up. Certainly I see NOTHING where you deliberately try to take him out?
jsf said:
No, Fee slows on corner entry as per normal IMHO.
I disagree. Whilst the line is ok and no sudden r double movements, the car brakes significantly earlier and harder than when on race pace a few laps later. Normally the car sits at the limiter at constant speed then brakes closer to corner, this tiem however before the white board, the pedal his hit pretty firmly a good 20m earlier.I'm not sure if this is why the following car seems to put a shoe on the grass or he just locks up.
shim said:
I disagree. Whilst the line is ok and no sudden r double movements, the car brakes significantly earlier and harder than when on race pace a few laps later. Normally the car sits at the limiter at constant speed then brakes closer to corner, this tiem however before the white board, the pedal his hit pretty firmly a good 20m earlier.
Nonesense, every lap after the incident the corner is under waved yellow flags as the now crashed car is at the side of the road in a dangerous position, so the entry and corner is taken a lot slower, so where do you get this idea from? The car isn't on the limiter there either.The previous lap to the incident Fee hits the exact same top speed and slows the car at the same point.
comparing gps datalogs...
She lifts/brakes at the exact same point for laps 2/3/4 and 5, all at very similar speeds
lap 2 - 120.08mph
lap 3 - 119.31mph
lap 4 - 119.39mph
lap 5 - 120.12mph
That is probably her most consistent corner on the circuit.
After the yellow flags were out she rounded island bend a good bit slower.
She lifts/brakes at the exact same point for laps 2/3/4 and 5, all at very similar speeds
lap 2 - 120.08mph
lap 3 - 119.31mph
lap 4 - 119.39mph
lap 5 - 120.12mph
That is probably her most consistent corner on the circuit.
After the yellow flags were out she rounded island bend a good bit slower.
Race a lot at Oulton. Inside at Island is an overtaking place but at full race pace in our cars there is only one line through the corner so you have to get alongside well before the corner to force the drive on the outside to fall behind. Not sure what the black car was trying to do - looks like he/she had an accident all by themselves. I have had to use the grass there before so looks like a car control issue for the black car.
Surely if the car behind was so much faster and more able to pass...why did they hang back so far, for so long.
If you wanted to let the driver in front know you wanted past, and were being held up, surely you'd be a lot closer to make it blatantly obvious...get out of the way.
Car behind needs some driving lessons...and a perhaps a trip to Specsavers.
If you wanted to let the driver in front know you wanted past, and were being held up, surely you'd be a lot closer to make it blatantly obvious...get out of the way.
Car behind needs some driving lessons...and a perhaps a trip to Specsavers.
Is the speedometer overlay from GPS data? If so, the G-ball might be a more instantly updated indicator of what was going on, and from looking at that, the camera car was braking well before he was close enough for it to be a problem.
To me it looks like he had an accident all by himself after dipping a wheel onto the grass and trying to brake the car.
As for the camera car's placement, it's entitled to it. You could even call it a slightly more defensive line than staying further over to the right.
The rate at which the car car behind closed in looks like it has a lot of engine. The camera car looked to be getting better exits despite lesser engine. Hope it doesn't get you down or knock your confidence.
To me it looks like he had an accident all by himself after dipping a wheel onto the grass and trying to brake the car.
As for the camera car's placement, it's entitled to it. You could even call it a slightly more defensive line than staying further over to the right.
The rate at which the car car behind closed in looks like it has a lot of engine. The camera car looked to be getting better exits despite lesser engine. Hope it doesn't get you down or knock your confidence.
Rear camera view of the incident from 8:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKudbVqeEeA
No expert, but the leading car looks to hold it's line, no drifting left to block.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKudbVqeEeA
No expert, but the leading car looks to hold it's line, no drifting left to block.
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