Lap Record Rules
Discussion
I've emailed the Brains Trust at Colnebrook, asking for their advice, but (as usual) have been deafened by their response, Perhaps someone on here can help.
So the question is:
When there has been a major change to the class structure in a championship, do the lap records that were previously set still apply?
I’m asking because, while the nomenclature for each class (A, B, C, & D) in our championship has remained the same, the cubic capacities, levels of tuning, admissible cars, and all manner of other things have changed beyond all recognition such that some lap records are easily shaded under the new class structure, while others are completely unachievable, making reference to previous lap records pretty pointless.
Anyone?
So the question is:
When there has been a major change to the class structure in a championship, do the lap records that were previously set still apply?
I’m asking because, while the nomenclature for each class (A, B, C, & D) in our championship has remained the same, the cubic capacities, levels of tuning, admissible cars, and all manner of other things have changed beyond all recognition such that some lap records are easily shaded under the new class structure, while others are completely unachievable, making reference to previous lap records pretty pointless.
Anyone?
As far as I'm aware there is nothing 'official' about lap records, it's entirely down to the series organiser to maintain them as they see fit.
Presumably you hold some records which you feel are about to be beaten by faster cars and would like them immortalised in some way? How would you propose that was done, and what relevance would it actually have?
Presumably you hold some records which you feel are about to be beaten by faster cars and would like them immortalised in some way? How would you propose that was done, and what relevance would it actually have?
sfaulds said:
...Presumably you hold some records which you feel are about to be beaten by faster cars and would like them immortalised in some way...
You know, presumption's a tricky cove - I hold no lap records and am not given to false pride.As referred to, above, its merely a case of comparing apples with apples - which I think is important.
I'm really not getting this - which apples are you trying to compare, and to what end? Surely lap records are only of use as a target of what a car should be capable of? If the class has changed significantly then they are of no relevance, and instead you'd just have to use the fastest lap going forward until such time as the record is beaten?
sfaulds said:
I'm really not getting this - which apples are you trying to compare, and to what end? Surely lap records are only of use as a target of what a car should be capable of? If the class has changed significantly then they are of no relevance, and instead you'd just have to use the fastest lap going forward until such time as the record is beaten?
Only reason I can think they are significant is if championship scoring is dependent on the lap record for the class. A lot of speed event championships use records as a basis for scoring.BertBert said:
well do you not want lap records for the new classes?...
That's exactly what I'm suggesting, BertBert.Fundamentally different class structure should equal new lap records for each class. The only ones that might stand, in this case, might be Class D.
That said, what I think is pretty irrelevant, so I actually started this topic in search of the MSA's actual rules in this respect for - as erm...intimate with the Blue Book as I've become over the years - I can't find anything.
Hi Mad4amanda
The club's the 750 and - having been Formula Rep on their Racing Technical Committee for nearly two years - I pretty much know who's who. But I appreciate your offer of help.
I actually, originally, posted this question on the club's forum for an official from the club to pick up and answer but - on the basis that they didn't exactly throw me a leaving party when I resigned as Formula Rep (ahem!) - I wasn't that surprised by the tumbleweed.
In fairness to the club, there's been quite a bit of shuffling around at the top this year and, specifically, Bike Sports (which is what this question is about) has, until very recently, lacked a Formula Rep to guide the ship since I resigned (blimey, is it?) 3 years ago, so little niceties like this may have gone undiscussed and resolved.
The new rep has, right now, got much bigger fish to fry, so my question was really one of a point of order and - knowing the club as well as I do - waving the Blue Book at them works much better than mere reasoned thought and discussion. Hence, I was after a hard and fast ruling that I could refer them to at (say) the Annual Formula Discussion.
As has been intimated, above, it's not the end of the world, but I think things should be correct.
The club's the 750 and - having been Formula Rep on their Racing Technical Committee for nearly two years - I pretty much know who's who. But I appreciate your offer of help.
I actually, originally, posted this question on the club's forum for an official from the club to pick up and answer but - on the basis that they didn't exactly throw me a leaving party when I resigned as Formula Rep (ahem!) - I wasn't that surprised by the tumbleweed.
In fairness to the club, there's been quite a bit of shuffling around at the top this year and, specifically, Bike Sports (which is what this question is about) has, until very recently, lacked a Formula Rep to guide the ship since I resigned (blimey, is it?) 3 years ago, so little niceties like this may have gone undiscussed and resolved.
The new rep has, right now, got much bigger fish to fry, so my question was really one of a point of order and - knowing the club as well as I do - waving the Blue Book at them works much better than mere reasoned thought and discussion. Hence, I was after a hard and fast ruling that I could refer them to at (say) the Annual Formula Discussion.
As has been intimated, above, it's not the end of the world, but I think things should be correct.
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