Dubizzle etiquette
Discussion
Hello,
Right can anyone actually fill me in the pricing etiquette for buying cars on dubizzle?
I've only ever sold a car and well, I priced it for what it's was worth and was the cheapest on dubizzle but yet I received many calls and texts for offers with a 20-30% discount on the price.
So, do people over price cars when selling as they know they will get 10-20% less?
I'm looking for a second car, would like a porker but a 2009 gen 2 still seems pricey when they have about a million miles on the clock and they all seem to have soooooooo much red inside.
Also looking at some of the RS6's and Maserati GT's that are for sale. Both a lot of car for the money but cheaper. Is the ownership of these cars that much more expensive than that of a 997 or am I still thinking with regards to the UK market?
Kempus
Right can anyone actually fill me in the pricing etiquette for buying cars on dubizzle?
I've only ever sold a car and well, I priced it for what it's was worth and was the cheapest on dubizzle but yet I received many calls and texts for offers with a 20-30% discount on the price.
So, do people over price cars when selling as they know they will get 10-20% less?
I'm looking for a second car, would like a porker but a 2009 gen 2 still seems pricey when they have about a million miles on the clock and they all seem to have soooooooo much red inside.
Also looking at some of the RS6's and Maserati GT's that are for sale. Both a lot of car for the money but cheaper. Is the ownership of these cars that much more expensive than that of a 997 or am I still thinking with regards to the UK market?
Kempus
yes i do think people price in some wiggle room although i guess that depends on what you're selling. if its well priced and a sought after/enthusiast car then stick firm.
there are a a lot of dealers on dubizzle, way more than you would expect and mainly dealing in run of the mill stuff. they'll be the ones giving it the 'best price' b
ks before even seeing the car.
there are a a lot of dealers on dubizzle, way more than you would expect and mainly dealing in run of the mill stuff. they'll be the ones giving it the 'best price' b
ks before even seeing the car. i didn't realise you were buying.
when i bought the elise i didn't discuss pricing until i'd decided i wanted it. price was agreed pending the PPI coming back clear and we went from there straight to the RTA.
when buying something niche [and in the case of the rs6/maser, expensive to fix] i think its important to buy on the attitude of the owner as well as condition/history of the car itself. do they know the model and it's foibles, i think for a highly maintained enthusiast owned example then the price negotiation is in the seller's favour.
also bear in mind that the local attitude to cars like these are that they're merely cars. this can be doubly bad it could be badly maintained yet the seller still wants top dollar.
i think randompunter on here has/had an rs6. there's also a guy on gulfpetrolheads who works for the audi main dealer but can't remember his username.
when i bought the elise i didn't discuss pricing until i'd decided i wanted it. price was agreed pending the PPI coming back clear and we went from there straight to the RTA.
when buying something niche [and in the case of the rs6/maser, expensive to fix] i think its important to buy on the attitude of the owner as well as condition/history of the car itself. do they know the model and it's foibles, i think for a highly maintained enthusiast owned example then the price negotiation is in the seller's favour.
also bear in mind that the local attitude to cars like these are that they're merely cars. this can be doubly bad it could be badly maintained yet the seller still wants top dollar.
i think randompunter on here has/had an rs6. there's also a guy on gulfpetrolheads who works for the audi main dealer but can't remember his username.
If you can hang on for 8 days I have a British pal who has owned his Maser GT here for a couple of years coming to stay with me on Jan 8th for a couple of days..... reason he's coming is to transfer ownership of the Maser into my name so that I can sell it for him as he's no longer living here.
As far as I know it's given him no issues in 2 years and from what I remember it's immaculate and will be well priced.
As far as I know it's given him no issues in 2 years and from what I remember it's immaculate and will be well priced.
K50 DEL said:
If you can hang on for 8 days I have a British pal who has owned his Maser GT here for a couple of years coming to stay with me on Jan 8th for a couple of days..... reason he's coming is to transfer ownership of the Maser into my name so that I can sell it for him as he's no longer living here.
As far as I know it's given him no issues in 2 years and from what I remember it's immaculate and will be well priced.
My mate has a Ghibli so it you fancy a mini-Maserati meet to compare, we should be able to arrange something.As far as I know it's given him no issues in 2 years and from what I remember it's immaculate and will be well priced.
Thanks for the offer but I'm not in a position to buy just yet. I'm trying to get an idea on costs here in Dubai which are already over priced for most things.
Would certainly like to hear is opinion tho. Have a family so really need something with 4 seats although my wife will be staying away as I went to get my motorbike renewed this morning and was taken aback but her speeding fines!
Would certainly like to hear is opinion tho. Have a family so really need something with 4 seats although my wife will be staying away as I went to get my motorbike renewed this morning and was taken aback but her speeding fines!
Kempus,
Ok, am at my laptop now so can respond fully.
I have owned a 997 Carrera S with a Clubsport kit, 2009 model and manual. I sold it around 2 years ago. Awesome car. To give you an idea, the chap wanted 260,000 AED for it originaly, however he couldnt sell it. Mainly because it was manual and he also had finance on the car. Was only 2 years old at the time with 15,000 kms on it. In the end, I bought it off him for 180,000AED 2 months later. Enough said.
The prices on Dubizzle and the amount you can negotiate is really dependant on a number of factors:
- Are there shedloads of that type of the car on the market? With the 911, yes there are. Same of true of the BMW M3's. Less RS6's, however most are looking to shift just before their 100,000 kms Warranty runs out. (Note that the Warranties from the likes of Gulf Warranties aint with jack. They only cover up to 5,000AED per claim and that aint gonna cut the mustard on an RS6 let me tell you) Of course, clean cars owned by expats with loads of service history and low kms are worth their weight in gold. My advice, buy a car based on the owner and service history.
- Is the dude desperate for money? This is what it all comes down to at the end of the day. Most people buy on finance so the very first question should be...does the car have finance? If so, then likely it is a more desperate seller.
- Are you buying cash? If you are buying cash then if you buy a "Financed car" then you can negotiate a shedload more. Reason being that if you need to buy a car with finance and the car you are buying is financed, its a ballache. For both parties. Cash is king.
- Manual? I love manual cars, my 997 Carrera S was a manual and of course the GT3 is too (997 Gen 2). If you dont mind a manual then you can low ball the hell out of a car. There are only a handful of people who will buy a Porsche Carrera in Manual so your bargaining is so muich stronger. Personally, I sold mine in 24 hours when I put it on Dubizzle, as my service histroy sold the car and some purist 911 owners prefer a manual.
....a small note on buying though, as I am sure you know. ALWAYS get the car inspected after you have done the once over, checked the service history and taken the chassis number an called the dealer to find out if it was serviced there and always ask if there were any "Advisory notices" on the service sheet. A set of pads and discs on any perfomance ca is gonna be from 8,000 to 20,000 aed. So there is a major thing there.
As to what you should buy. Without a shadow of a doubt the 911 is going to cost you less in servicing and maintenance. Clutch is around 5,000AED and if I remember correctly, discs are around 1,200 each and pads around 1,200 for both the front pair. 911 parts arent that pricey. Of course, a sert of complete tyres with Pirelli P Zero will cost you around 5,000-6,000aed, so consider when the tyres were last done. Personally, I think Michelin are shedloads better, but a preference thing. 911's are considerably easier (and therefore cheaper) to work on should something go wrong.
On the RS6, most you are looking at between 150,000 and 200,000 aed are likely to all be 2009 and some 2010, all of which will be running out of their warranties soon or they havent already. I would steer well clear of any MTM modified ones or any with an atermarket pipe. These care done need playing with and they are costly when they go wrong.
I have had my 2009 RS6 for 2 years now. I bought from Al Naboodah Used Cars...only because you CANNOT get an Audi Warranty if you buy a used car and then expect to take it to Audi to buy an "Extended Warranty". They will not cover it. Only the original owner can extend it and on used cars its 5,000AED per year. HOWEVER< note that on all cars which Al Naboodah sell which are over 3 years old, the warranty is NOT actually an Audi Warranty.....even though it says "Unmistakably Audi" all over the warranty booklet. Its actually by a 3rd party called Gulf Warranties (I think, or another name, I cant recal)
Note also that under the "Approved Audi Warranty" scheme they DO NOT cover the Turbo Seals on an Audi RS6. This is a VERY important thing to have covered and one of the reasons why their service manager is changing their warranty company soon. Its bullst that they dont cover turbos...as they say inlet manifold...so its more or less the same thing. Thing is, all their new cars have turbos...so in 3 years they are going to have a lot of pissed off customers.
In the past 3 years I have had the following costs on the RS6. These are TYPICAL things for the Audi RS6 and if you have one, they will go on you over a 2 year period. Note that one of the main issues with Audi's is that for just above everything wrong with the engine you have to drop the engine out. Its a royal pain and can be very costly to replace a simple gasket which wouldnt cost much on another car.
- New Turbo Seal: These cars smoke a little on start up, however mine was smoking more than usual and had a small oil leak. This was 15,000AED to drop the engine., replace parts and re install. (NOTE: I argued with Audi as mine was only a few months after I bought it so they covered it under their used car scheme...but usually they dont)
- New Suspension mounds: This was around 6,500 AED if I recall. I had them done when they dropped the engine out. I didnt have to pay labor charge you see as they already had the engine out.
- New Pads and Discs all round (Brembo) as well as full set of tyres: I just had this done 2 weeks ago and it cost me 17,000 AED. I decided to keep the car a little longer you see so I wanted to make sure it was tip top.
So, there we go. This doesnt include th services, which are around 2,000-3,000 aed each time. When you put oil and plus in it costs this, along with other small bits. They need servicing at least once a year.
I would recommend Autohaus checking your car for you, they are good with Audi, BMW and Porsche. Although some prefer ARM. I have an aftermarket warranty with ARM on my GT3 which is 5,000aed a year.
You want my opinion on a Maserati, stay well clear mate. When Mazzers get long in the tooth you will bleed money. More than the RS6 in my opinion.
So, 911's are of course awesome and more fun as you can get the back out and also use as a daily driver. If you have kids and want room and more of a business car, but still an absolute beast, then get the RS6. Loads of room for the kids, best leather interior of any luxury car and loads of room in the back for kids and the boot is larger than my wifes X5. Its massive.
Porsche 911's can get yup to 9 years warranty, so if it had an Al Naboodah Warranty and has been serviced there then you can extend year on year for up to 9 years. I think its around 5,500 aed per year. ARM will also do it for 5,000aed per year and they are pretty anal with their checks, so good to send a car to them.
Don't waste money on a check though until you know service history, when the brakes and pads were last done (And clutch if you are looking at a manual) and of course when the tyres were last changed as they dont allow over 4 years old at Tasjeel, even if they have meat left on them.
If you haven't had a 911 before I would go for an nice Carrera S. Find a nice few and then low ball cash offers subject to checks once you know its one of 2 or 3 you want. Job done.
At the end of the day mate, 911's are so popular as they are good all round and becuase of the 9 years warranty. Many others done come close to this. All other sports cars in this range such as Audi, BMW, Nissan etc, their Warranties run out after 3 or 4 years, maybe 5 if its an M3 or something.
Hope it was useful. And dont get a Maserati or you will be bent over big time every time you go to the garage.
Luke
Ok, am at my laptop now so can respond fully.
I have owned a 997 Carrera S with a Clubsport kit, 2009 model and manual. I sold it around 2 years ago. Awesome car. To give you an idea, the chap wanted 260,000 AED for it originaly, however he couldnt sell it. Mainly because it was manual and he also had finance on the car. Was only 2 years old at the time with 15,000 kms on it. In the end, I bought it off him for 180,000AED 2 months later. Enough said.
The prices on Dubizzle and the amount you can negotiate is really dependant on a number of factors:
- Are there shedloads of that type of the car on the market? With the 911, yes there are. Same of true of the BMW M3's. Less RS6's, however most are looking to shift just before their 100,000 kms Warranty runs out. (Note that the Warranties from the likes of Gulf Warranties aint with jack. They only cover up to 5,000AED per claim and that aint gonna cut the mustard on an RS6 let me tell you) Of course, clean cars owned by expats with loads of service history and low kms are worth their weight in gold. My advice, buy a car based on the owner and service history.
- Is the dude desperate for money? This is what it all comes down to at the end of the day. Most people buy on finance so the very first question should be...does the car have finance? If so, then likely it is a more desperate seller.
- Are you buying cash? If you are buying cash then if you buy a "Financed car" then you can negotiate a shedload more. Reason being that if you need to buy a car with finance and the car you are buying is financed, its a ballache. For both parties. Cash is king.
- Manual? I love manual cars, my 997 Carrera S was a manual and of course the GT3 is too (997 Gen 2). If you dont mind a manual then you can low ball the hell out of a car. There are only a handful of people who will buy a Porsche Carrera in Manual so your bargaining is so muich stronger. Personally, I sold mine in 24 hours when I put it on Dubizzle, as my service histroy sold the car and some purist 911 owners prefer a manual.
....a small note on buying though, as I am sure you know. ALWAYS get the car inspected after you have done the once over, checked the service history and taken the chassis number an called the dealer to find out if it was serviced there and always ask if there were any "Advisory notices" on the service sheet. A set of pads and discs on any perfomance ca is gonna be from 8,000 to 20,000 aed. So there is a major thing there.
As to what you should buy. Without a shadow of a doubt the 911 is going to cost you less in servicing and maintenance. Clutch is around 5,000AED and if I remember correctly, discs are around 1,200 each and pads around 1,200 for both the front pair. 911 parts arent that pricey. Of course, a sert of complete tyres with Pirelli P Zero will cost you around 5,000-6,000aed, so consider when the tyres were last done. Personally, I think Michelin are shedloads better, but a preference thing. 911's are considerably easier (and therefore cheaper) to work on should something go wrong.
On the RS6, most you are looking at between 150,000 and 200,000 aed are likely to all be 2009 and some 2010, all of which will be running out of their warranties soon or they havent already. I would steer well clear of any MTM modified ones or any with an atermarket pipe. These care done need playing with and they are costly when they go wrong.
I have had my 2009 RS6 for 2 years now. I bought from Al Naboodah Used Cars...only because you CANNOT get an Audi Warranty if you buy a used car and then expect to take it to Audi to buy an "Extended Warranty". They will not cover it. Only the original owner can extend it and on used cars its 5,000AED per year. HOWEVER< note that on all cars which Al Naboodah sell which are over 3 years old, the warranty is NOT actually an Audi Warranty.....even though it says "Unmistakably Audi" all over the warranty booklet. Its actually by a 3rd party called Gulf Warranties (I think, or another name, I cant recal)
Note also that under the "Approved Audi Warranty" scheme they DO NOT cover the Turbo Seals on an Audi RS6. This is a VERY important thing to have covered and one of the reasons why their service manager is changing their warranty company soon. Its bulls
t that they dont cover turbos...as they say inlet manifold...so its more or less the same thing. Thing is, all their new cars have turbos...so in 3 years they are going to have a lot of pissed off customers. In the past 3 years I have had the following costs on the RS6. These are TYPICAL things for the Audi RS6 and if you have one, they will go on you over a 2 year period. Note that one of the main issues with Audi's is that for just above everything wrong with the engine you have to drop the engine out. Its a royal pain and can be very costly to replace a simple gasket which wouldnt cost much on another car.
- New Turbo Seal: These cars smoke a little on start up, however mine was smoking more than usual and had a small oil leak. This was 15,000AED to drop the engine., replace parts and re install. (NOTE: I argued with Audi as mine was only a few months after I bought it so they covered it under their used car scheme...but usually they dont)
- New Suspension mounds: This was around 6,500 AED if I recall. I had them done when they dropped the engine out. I didnt have to pay labor charge you see as they already had the engine out.
- New Pads and Discs all round (Brembo) as well as full set of tyres: I just had this done 2 weeks ago and it cost me 17,000 AED. I decided to keep the car a little longer you see so I wanted to make sure it was tip top.
So, there we go. This doesnt include th services, which are around 2,000-3,000 aed each time. When you put oil and plus in it costs this, along with other small bits. They need servicing at least once a year.
I would recommend Autohaus checking your car for you, they are good with Audi, BMW and Porsche. Although some prefer ARM. I have an aftermarket warranty with ARM on my GT3 which is 5,000aed a year.
You want my opinion on a Maserati, stay well clear mate. When Mazzers get long in the tooth you will bleed money. More than the RS6 in my opinion.
So, 911's are of course awesome and more fun as you can get the back out and also use as a daily driver. If you have kids and want room and more of a business car, but still an absolute beast, then get the RS6. Loads of room for the kids, best leather interior of any luxury car and loads of room in the back for kids and the boot is larger than my wifes X5. Its massive.
Porsche 911's can get yup to 9 years warranty, so if it had an Al Naboodah Warranty and has been serviced there then you can extend year on year for up to 9 years. I think its around 5,500 aed per year. ARM will also do it for 5,000aed per year and they are pretty anal with their checks, so good to send a car to them.
Don't waste money on a check though until you know service history, when the brakes and pads were last done (And clutch if you are looking at a manual) and of course when the tyres were last changed as they dont allow over 4 years old at Tasjeel, even if they have meat left on them.
If you haven't had a 911 before I would go for an nice Carrera S. Find a nice few and then low ball cash offers subject to checks once you know its one of 2 or 3 you want. Job done.
At the end of the day mate, 911's are so popular as they are good all round and becuase of the 9 years warranty. Many others done come close to this. All other sports cars in this range such as Audi, BMW, Nissan etc, their Warranties run out after 3 or 4 years, maybe 5 if its an M3 or something.
Hope it was useful. And dont get a Maserati or you will be bent over big time every time you go to the garage.
Luke
But....just to confuse you. The RS6 is absolutely awesome.
There is no other car I will be getting anytimesoon to replace it. I believe it looks much harder than the M5 of the same year (And also cheaper to buy). I would chop it in, perhaps next year, but only if I can low ball someone who is selling their RS6, the new one. I would like a 2013 to 2014. But when the prices come down as they are crazy new.
Some nice 911's below. There are also some cheap Turbos on there too. When compared to the S's they are good value.
My pick would probably be a Gt3. You wont lose much money on this beauty: If you can get a deal on it. Not great with 60,000 kms on a GT3, but still. What a machine, so much better than all other 911s and completely different to drive.
http://dubai.dubizzle.com/motors/used-cars/porsche...
Good value Carrera (Not S though, so wheels are a bit pony)
http://dubai.dubizzle.com/motors/used-cars/porsche...
Lovely Targa: (Althogh red leather a bit much)
http://dubai.dubizzle.com/motors/used-cars/porsche...
Nice Carrera S low KMS. (Although in Al Awir...buyer beware. Worth a look and service histroy check though. Could be expat owned trade in)
http://dubai.dubizzle.com/motors/used-cars/porsche...
I always loved a nice white turbo. Although note there is lag on the Gen 1 997...plus its not as much fun a 2WD.
http://dubai.dubizzle.com/motors/used-cars/porsche...
This is the only Audi worth looking at.
Although not a fan of the after market pipe. Has it been mapped to the pipe is something ask.
http://dubai.dubizzle.com/motors/used-cars/audi/rs...
Although not a fan of the after market pipe. Has it been mapped to the pipe is something ask.
http://dubai.dubizzle.com/motors/used-cars/audi/rs...
Luke,
What can I say but a big thank you for the in depth reply. Whether 997 or RS6 it will be my first proper performance car so I'm stepping very gingerly into it. The bang per buck for the RS6 is what entices especially in a big saloon however you have confirmed my fears of the cost of ownership. Back in the UK you have lots more specialists and mail order to keep the costs down and here your pretty much hemmed in to a few specialists with everything imported. I can get a few things in my suitcase but not everything.
Funnily I've had my eye on almost every car you put a link to. I've 2 kids, still small so I really need 4 seats or I'd buy a cayman.
I've done a lot of reading regarding gen 1 997 and the IMS bearing and cyclinder scoring and I believe they may have had it sorted in the later models of gen 1 cars but can I ask have you had any experience of the tiptronic box?
I understand it's no PDK but is it decent in the both the Carrera and the turbo?
I've a budget of <200k and finding a gen 2 car in S guise with PDK or without 100k kms or red red red red red red red everywhere leather interior is proving difficult!
Kempus
What can I say but a big thank you for the in depth reply. Whether 997 or RS6 it will be my first proper performance car so I'm stepping very gingerly into it. The bang per buck for the RS6 is what entices especially in a big saloon however you have confirmed my fears of the cost of ownership. Back in the UK you have lots more specialists and mail order to keep the costs down and here your pretty much hemmed in to a few specialists with everything imported. I can get a few things in my suitcase but not everything.
Funnily I've had my eye on almost every car you put a link to. I've 2 kids, still small so I really need 4 seats or I'd buy a cayman.
I've done a lot of reading regarding gen 1 997 and the IMS bearing and cyclinder scoring and I believe they may have had it sorted in the later models of gen 1 cars but can I ask have you had any experience of the tiptronic box?
I understand it's no PDK but is it decent in the both the Carrera and the turbo?
I've a budget of <200k and finding a gen 2 car in S guise with PDK or without 100k kms or red red red red red red red everywhere leather interior is proving difficult!
Kempus
Kempus,
As chance may have it, I have literally just found a nice M5 on Dubizzle in the Matt Grey I am looking for. (See link below) Leading on from looking for you I found it. However, it is in al Awir, so unlikely it will all check out, but hey, maybe.
I will be honest with you, if you want an RS6 then mine is pretty well sorted. Its Phantom black with black leather. Its pretty mint. I just had it in at Autohaus literally 2 days ago for a Full Glass Polish, (2,500 aed) as well as new pads, new discs (All round) and also new tyres, michelin, all 4. 18,000AED worth of parts. Not to mention the new turbo seal from Audi and new bushes and a service like 1,000 kms ago, from Audi.
Its still under warranty with Audi until May 2015. You can extend with Gulf Warranties for some piece of mind, but bear in mind it might not cover all costs.
Mate, if you have 2 kids, then go for the bigger car. Plus the wife will be much happier with it and the kids in the back of it. Its much safer.
Mine had full Al Naboodah service histroy, I bought it from Al Naboodah Used cars and chap who owned it before me had shedloads of services as he was a mate of Al Naboodah.
All in all, mine looks the nuts and it tip top...which is why I was planning on keeping it. However the 2013 M5 I wanted in Matte Grey has literally just come up. Its like the 30th Anniversary one...except cheaper at 275k AED. (Before last last price)
I will let you know tomorrow. But either way, you are welcome to have a spin in mine.
It had 92,000 Kms. But to be honest with you, most of them are around 90kms, because people love driving them.
As to price, it will be reasonable compared to others but it wont be the cheapest, but then again, you wont find one more well cared for and as clean as mine.
Let me know. No worries if not. Luke 0508763027
As chance may have it, I have literally just found a nice M5 on Dubizzle in the Matt Grey I am looking for. (See link below) Leading on from looking for you I found it. However, it is in al Awir, so unlikely it will all check out, but hey, maybe.
I will be honest with you, if you want an RS6 then mine is pretty well sorted. Its Phantom black with black leather. Its pretty mint. I just had it in at Autohaus literally 2 days ago for a Full Glass Polish, (2,500 aed) as well as new pads, new discs (All round) and also new tyres, michelin, all 4. 18,000AED worth of parts. Not to mention the new turbo seal from Audi and new bushes and a service like 1,000 kms ago, from Audi.
Its still under warranty with Audi until May 2015. You can extend with Gulf Warranties for some piece of mind, but bear in mind it might not cover all costs.
Mate, if you have 2 kids, then go for the bigger car. Plus the wife will be much happier with it and the kids in the back of it. Its much safer.
Mine had full Al Naboodah service histroy, I bought it from Al Naboodah Used cars and chap who owned it before me had shedloads of services as he was a mate of Al Naboodah.
All in all, mine looks the nuts and it tip top...which is why I was planning on keeping it. However the 2013 M5 I wanted in Matte Grey has literally just come up. Its like the 30th Anniversary one...except cheaper at 275k AED. (Before last last price)
I will let you know tomorrow. But either way, you are welcome to have a spin in mine.
It had 92,000 Kms. But to be honest with you, most of them are around 90kms, because people love driving them.
As to price, it will be reasonable compared to others but it wont be the cheapest, but then again, you wont find one more well cared for and as clean as mine.
Let me know. No worries if not. Luke 0508763027
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