JLT Fire

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Asterix

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24,438 posts

234 months

Sunday 18th November 2012
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All here OK I hope!?

Looking at the various images - it looks as if the fire starts right at the top of the building where I assume only plant equipment is, then spreads further down.

Nasty, nasty stuff for the residents through no fault of their own.

K50 DEL

9,333 posts

234 months

Sunday 18th November 2012
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Next cluster around from my office, the building is properly shagged, found a video online that makes it look as though the fire started at the top and travelled downwards through the external voids that were covered in cladding.

We have a couple of guys who live next door and apparently it started at 2am or so.

It's still smoking now and they were still spraying water on it 2hrs ago when I got in to work.

As you say, nasty and yet another reason why I will never live in a tower.

Asterix

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24,438 posts

234 months

Sunday 18th November 2012
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Agreed - tower living isn't for me. I live on the 4th floor of an 8 floor building and that's quite enough thank you.

I've a mate living on the 62nd floor of a building in Benidorm the Marina and I can't think of anything worse.

e21jason

717 posts

225 months

Sunday 18th November 2012
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Look like lack of fire rated clading cause the rapid spread same as the one in Tecom the other month.

a few vids here

http://www.7daysindubai.com/PHOTOS-breaks-JLT-s-Ta...


Asterix

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24,438 posts

234 months

Sunday 18th November 2012
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No doubt they'll find some poor sod to blame absolving the building's management of any any liability. Thrown in jail until he can pay the huge fine out of his now nonexistent AED 1,500 a month salary.

Hitch78

6,117 posts

200 months

Sunday 18th November 2012
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This fire and the TECOM one have me wondering if they used 1980s recycled sofa foam and discarded shell suits to make all of the cladding in Dubai. Shocking stuff.

When the TECOM one happened it was obvious that you're fecked if you live above the 10th floor as that's about as far as the ladders go.

One of my wife's friends admitted to putting ear plugs in, rolling over and going back to sleep last time her fire alarm went off. Some people are crazy.

Asterix

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24,438 posts

234 months

Sunday 18th November 2012
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The fire alarm in our building often goes off for no reason at random times during the day and night so everyone ignores it.

Also, the bloke came round to service our smoke alarms only to find we didn't actually have any - just shrugged his shoulders and left - pointed it out to the building owners but I never heard anything back.

I think I'll just get my own from ACE.

K50 DEL

9,333 posts

234 months

Sunday 18th November 2012
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Hitch78 said:
This fire and the TECOM one have me wondering if they used 1980s recycled sofa foam and discarded shell suits to make all of the cladding in Dubai. Shocking stuff.

When the TECOM one happened it was obvious that you're fecked if you live above the 10th floor as that's about as far as the ladders go.

One of my wife's friends admitted to putting ear plugs in, rolling over and going back to sleep last time her fire alarm went off. Some people are crazy.
Easy to say that though, one of my colleagues lives in a different tower here in JLT and for a period of about a month earlier in the year the alarm was going off every hour as there was a dodgy sensor that building management wouldn't pay to replace and the CDF wouldn't let the security people turn the system off.

When the alarms went off the lifts automatically stopped.... would you want to walk down 14 floors for the 5th time in a night, knowing that the last 4 times had been false alarms.

It's all too easy to ignore them, "boy who cried wolf" syndrome I guess.

dxbtiger

4,430 posts

179 months

Sunday 18th November 2012
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I live on floor 5 of a 20 odd storey tower in the Greens.

Generally speaking the fire system is pretty good, having said that it went off on Thursday morning and my routine involved going out on the balcony, looking for smoke, calling my mate downstairs and then ignoring it!

We did have a fire in the rubbish area a few months ago (lit cigarette down the chute), Civil Defence had it out pretty quick.

Dusty964

6,962 posts

196 months

Sunday 18th November 2012
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I'm on the 4th floor of 5, and as stupid as it may sound, the relatively low floor and the proximity to the fire escape sold the place to me.
I'm still scared stless of fire- or more specifically, being on it- and wouldn't live that high up for anything.


After_Shock

8,751 posts

226 months

Monday 19th November 2012
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Got back to work this morning to see it all in the papers, didnt know that it had happened. Looks horrific to say the least.

Rate at which the fires spread on the outside of buildings is a major concern.

But as many have said living high up is not for me either, will stick with my 1st floor apt in a 4 floor building, worst case I can throw the mattress off the balcony to jump on that and shouldnt end up too injured, well in theory anyways.

shirt

23,242 posts

207 months

Monday 19th November 2012
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I'm on the 34th floor, but given jbr is solid concrete/render i'll not but a base jumping rig just yet.

I was in atmosphere yesterday and it did amuse me when i clocked the fire escape signs. 127 floors in an emergency must be a proper mission.

After_Shock

8,751 posts

226 months

Monday 19th November 2012
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shirt said:
I was in atmosphere yesterday and it did amuse me when i clocked the fire escape signs. 127 floors in an emergency must be a proper mission.
Was in Atmosphere on Friday myself and thought about that after reading the JLT incident, the burj suuposedly has emergency lifts you can use incase of a fire, I dont think the stair case would be a viable option!!

S1MMA

2,426 posts

225 months

Monday 19th November 2012
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The burj has sealed emergency shelter rooms placed throughout, so you can evacuate to one of these till you get rescued. They are on various strategic floors.

Not exactly a perfect solution, but better than waiting it out in an apartment/office or trying to get down 120 floors when there is an active fire/smoke.

Asterix

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24,438 posts

234 months

Sunday 9th December 2012
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Apparently the fire started at ground floor level then jumped however many stories and continued at the top before anyone really noticed.

I have my doubts.

K50 DEL

9,333 posts

234 months

Sunday 9th December 2012
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Asterix said:
Apparently the fire started at ground floor level then jumped however many stories and continued at the top before anyone really noticed.

I have my doubts.
Ah yes... the incredible teleporting fire, I'd heard that one too.
I think one look at the videos on YouTube reveal just how much the "official" statement is to be believed.

Anything to get out of admitting responsibility / paying restitution to those affected.

e21jason

717 posts

225 months

Sunday 9th December 2012
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A lot of the fire here spread in side the cavity behind the cladding (same as the tecom fire), not built to uk standard where we use cavity closers and non flammable cladding.

micawrx

280 posts

166 months

Wednesday 12th December 2012
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One of my new colleagues was in the tower.

Company paid rent but failed to inform him that insurance was not included.

All contents gone.

But alive!