Toughest car on sale?
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The reason the Landrover (series and defenders) were popular wasn't that they were tough or reliable, it was that when they did break/ rust/ get bumped, everything was replaceable relatively easily and cheaply so that your 1955 series could still be good as new in 2021 or whenever.
The reason Toyotas are popular is that they are tough and reliable, unfortunately just a bit more expensive to repair when things do go wrong to repair (I've no personal experience of G-Wagens but I'd imagine it's a similar situation.
The reason Nivas, Jimmy's etc are popular is that they are (relatively) cheap to to renew when things do go wrong so they get used the way they were meant to be.
(Proper) Jeeps are a reasonable compromise, not too dear to buy, relatively tough, and relatively cheap to repair.
I've always thought that a better quality Landrover which still sticks to the principles of simplicity and fixability would be great and I think that's what Ineos are going for. Whether it'll work out or not remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, I've been treating my imagination looking at brand new Russian imports of UAZs this morning.
The reason Toyotas are popular is that they are tough and reliable, unfortunately just a bit more expensive to repair when things do go wrong to repair (I've no personal experience of G-Wagens but I'd imagine it's a similar situation.
The reason Nivas, Jimmy's etc are popular is that they are (relatively) cheap to to renew when things do go wrong so they get used the way they were meant to be.
(Proper) Jeeps are a reasonable compromise, not too dear to buy, relatively tough, and relatively cheap to repair.
I've always thought that a better quality Landrover which still sticks to the principles of simplicity and fixability would be great and I think that's what Ineos are going for. Whether it'll work out or not remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, I've been treating my imagination looking at brand new Russian imports of UAZs this morning.
generationx said:
V10 SPM said:
generationx said:
Lada Niva
I never associated a Lada with the phrase "best built"...Desiderata said:
The reason the Landrover (series and defenders) were popular wasn't that they were tough or reliable, it was that when they did break/ rust/ get bumped, everything was replaceable relatively easily and cheaply so that your 1955 series could still be good as new in 2021 or whenever.
The reason Toyotas are popular is that they are tough and reliable, unfortunately just a bit more expensive to repair when things do go wrong to repair (I've no personal experience of G-Wagens but I'd imagine it's a similar situation.
The reason Nivas, Jimmy's etc are popular is that they are (relatively) cheap to to renew when things do go wrong so they get used the way they were meant to be.
(Proper) Jeeps are a reasonable compromise, not too dear to buy, relatively tough, and relatively cheap to repair.
I've always thought that a better quality Landrover which still sticks to the principles of simplicity and fixability would be great and I think that's what Ineos are going for. Whether it'll work out or not remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, I've been treating my imagination looking at brand new Russian imports of UAZs this morning.
Although the UAZ is reasonable robust, it mainly falls into the category of easy to repair if anything goes wrong rather than being well built or reliable.The reason Toyotas are popular is that they are tough and reliable, unfortunately just a bit more expensive to repair when things do go wrong to repair (I've no personal experience of G-Wagens but I'd imagine it's a similar situation.
The reason Nivas, Jimmy's etc are popular is that they are (relatively) cheap to to renew when things do go wrong so they get used the way they were meant to be.
(Proper) Jeeps are a reasonable compromise, not too dear to buy, relatively tough, and relatively cheap to repair.
I've always thought that a better quality Landrover which still sticks to the principles of simplicity and fixability would be great and I think that's what Ineos are going for. Whether it'll work out or not remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, I've been treating my imagination looking at brand new Russian imports of UAZs this morning.
Desiderata said:
I've always thought that a better quality Landrover which still sticks to the principles of simplicity and fixability would be great and I think that's what Ineos are going for. Whether it'll work out or not remains to be seen.
Meanwhile, I've been treating my imagination looking at brand new Russian imports of UAZs this morning.
I think the Land Cruiser 70 series is your real answer there. Basically a properly engineered and built original Defender.Meanwhile, I've been treating my imagination looking at brand new Russian imports of UAZs this morning.
Toyota UK are more interested in the Yaris market so no hope of the really good stuff coming to the UK. Base spec Hilux is probably quite a good compromise - tough, reliable, pretty basic but still as usable as any other modern car.
I quite fancy one of those little UAZ 4x4 vans - spent a bit of time in one in mongolia and was always impressed with where it managed to go.
snowandrocks said:
Toyota UK are more interested in the Yaris market so no hope of the really good stuff coming to the UK. Base spec Hilux is probably quite a good compromise - tough, reliable, pretty basic but still as usable as any other modern car.
I still think it’s a shame they won’t sell the new 300 Series proper Landcruiser here, it looks like a great bit of kit.It doesn’t really matter as I couldn’t afford one anyway but I wouldn’t have minded picking up one with about 200k miles on in 10 years time, thanks Toyota!.
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