My shortlist - comments pls
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For reliability out of that list the Forester will probably be top, followed by the others with the Discovery least reliable by quite a large margin.
The Discovery is quite a bit more of a heavy duty 4x4 than the others though so it depends what you're going to use it for?
For light duty stuff, a RAV4 is about as reliable as it gets, especially in manual petrol form but won't be up to heavy towing like a proper 4x4. Forester shouldn't be too far behind and are pretty capable with the low box and permanent 4x4.
The Discovery is quite a bit more of a heavy duty 4x4 than the others though so it depends what you're going to use it for?
For light duty stuff, a RAV4 is about as reliable as it gets, especially in manual petrol form but won't be up to heavy towing like a proper 4x4. Forester shouldn't be too far behind and are pretty capable with the low box and permanent 4x4.
snowandrocks said:
For reliability out of that list the Forester will probably be top, followed by the others with the Discovery least reliable by quite a large margin.
The Discovery is quite a bit more of a heavy duty 4x4 than the others though so it depends what you're going to use it for?
For light duty stuff, a RAV4 is about as reliable as it gets, especially in manual petrol form but won't be up to heavy towing like a proper 4x4. Forester shouldn't be too far behind and are pretty capable with the low box and permanent 4x4.
I know were you are coming from, but my Subaru (Impreza) cost way more to maintain than any Land Rover product I've had.The Discovery is quite a bit more of a heavy duty 4x4 than the others though so it depends what you're going to use it for?
For light duty stuff, a RAV4 is about as reliable as it gets, especially in manual petrol form but won't be up to heavy towing like a proper 4x4. Forester shouldn't be too far behind and are pretty capable with the low box and permanent 4x4.
snowandrocks said:
Was it a turbo nutter version?
If not you must have been pretty unlucky as, apart from maybe a petrol Toyota or Honda, n/a Subaru are typically as reliable as it gets. There's loads of neglected old Foresters and Legacys happily rumbling around here providing faithful service.
I'm not knocking them. We have owned Honda's and Toyota's. Also others in the family have had such marques. They have all had issues and been no more real world reliable than Land Rovers, of which we've probably had about 50 examples.If not you must have been pretty unlucky as, apart from maybe a petrol Toyota or Honda, n/a Subaru are typically as reliable as it gets. There's loads of neglected old Foresters and Legacys happily rumbling around here providing faithful service.
300bhp/ton said:
I'm not knocking them. We have owned Honda's and Toyota's. Also others in the family have had such marques. They have all had issues and been no more real world reliable than Land Rovers, of which we've probably had about 50 examples.
Fair enough although my experience is (very) different but I guess the OP can judge LR's reputation for appalling reliability and build quality for himself. Just for fun (and to spark a bit of debate), I've put the OP's choices in order of how reliable I think used examples might be (most reliable first, least reliable last).
Hyundai Terracan or Tuscon
Kia Sorento
Subaru Forester SH non turbo manual
Nissan Xtrail T31
Land rover Disco Landmark late 2004 TD5
What does everyone else think?
Hyundai Terracan or Tuscon
Kia Sorento
Subaru Forester SH non turbo manual
Nissan Xtrail T31
Land rover Disco Landmark late 2004 TD5
What does everyone else think?
MorganP104 said:
Just for fun (and to spark a bit of debate), I've put the OP's choices in order of how reliable I think used examples might be (most reliable first, least reliable last).
Hyundai Terracan or Tuscon
Kia Sorento
Subaru Forester SH non turbo manual
Nissan Xtrail T31
Land rover Disco Landmark late 2004 TD5
What does everyone else think?
I think it is nonsense tbh. Used cars vary and you can get good and bad of any make.Hyundai Terracan or Tuscon
Kia Sorento
Subaru Forester SH non turbo manual
Nissan Xtrail T31
Land rover Disco Landmark late 2004 TD5
What does everyone else think?
Also something like a Hyundai probably has way less kit and ability. So may have just as many issues per 100 parts, but just uses less parts, if you know what I mean.
Also think about parts supply and people to fix. As a rule Land Rover parts a cheap and easy to get, with loads of specialists. While some other imported vehicles might have big backorders or delivery times for some parts and no specialists.
e.g.
What would be worse:
a) Land Rover breaks down 2 times for 5 days off the road total
b) other make breaks down once and is off the road for 6 weeks waiting for parts?
MorganP104 said:
Just for fun (and to spark a bit of debate), I've put the OP's choices in order of how reliable I think used examples might be (most reliable first, least reliable last).
Hyundai Terracan or Tuscon
Kia Sorento
Subaru Forester SH non turbo manual
Nissan Xtrail T31
Land rover Disco Landmark late 2004 TD5
What does everyone else think?
I think Forester may rank a tad higher but I'm no expertHyundai Terracan or Tuscon
Kia Sorento
Subaru Forester SH non turbo manual
Nissan Xtrail T31
Land rover Disco Landmark late 2004 TD5
What does everyone else think?
300bhp/ton said:
I think it is nonsense tbh. Used cars vary and you can get good and bad of any make.
Also something like a Hyundai probably has way less kit and ability. So may have just as many issues per 100 parts, but just uses less parts, if you know what I mean.
Also think about parts supply and people to fix. As a rule Land Rover parts a cheap and easy to get, with loads of specialists. While some other imported vehicles might have big backorders or delivery times for some parts and no specialists.
e.g.
What would be worse:
a) Land Rover breaks down 2 times for 5 days off the road total
b) other make breaks down once and is off the road for 6 weeks waiting for parts?
I think you're missing the point by a country mile.Also something like a Hyundai probably has way less kit and ability. So may have just as many issues per 100 parts, but just uses less parts, if you know what I mean.
Also think about parts supply and people to fix. As a rule Land Rover parts a cheap and easy to get, with loads of specialists. While some other imported vehicles might have big backorders or delivery times for some parts and no specialists.
e.g.
What would be worse:
a) Land Rover breaks down 2 times for 5 days off the road total
b) other make breaks down once and is off the road for 6 weeks waiting for parts?
Yes you can get good or bad in ANY make. However reliability surveys will usually give you a good guide to what generally tends to be reliable, and what doesnt. Whilst I have a strong like for LR products I have never ever seen them top of any Reliability Survey. (Well, maybe once before I realised the list was in reverse order)
In terms of parts availability none of the brands mentioned are particularly rare so I doubt the OP would be left high and dry whilst Hyundai source a specialist part for him.
MorganP104 said:
Just for fun (and to spark a bit of debate), I've put the OP's choices in order of how reliable I think used examples might be (most reliable first, least reliable last).
Hyundai Terracan or Tuscon
Kia Sorento
Subaru Forester SH non turbo manual
Nissan Xtrail T31
Land rover Disco Landmark late 2004 TD5
What does everyone else think?
I'd agree with that.Hyundai Terracan or Tuscon
Kia Sorento
Subaru Forester SH non turbo manual
Nissan Xtrail T31
Land rover Disco Landmark late 2004 TD5
What does everyone else think?
I’d put the disco above the x fail, I’d probably put the Subaru higher up too. At that price point I wouldn’t say the Kia or Hyundai would be that much more reliable. Parts wise they ain’t too bad, Kia/Hyundai seem to have more spares available, delivery is usually 2-3 days onodd stuff but normally next day.
They will feel very cheap inside though, clutches and fuel pumps seem to be common and then suspension parts.
They will feel very cheap inside though, clutches and fuel pumps seem to be common and then suspension parts.
Countdown said:
I think you're missing the point by a country mile.
Yes you can get good or bad in ANY make. However reliability surveys will usually give you a good guide to what generally tends to be reliable, and what doesnt. Whilst I have a strong like for LR products I have never ever seen them top of any Reliability Survey. (Well, maybe once before I realised the list was in reverse order)
In terms of parts availability none of the brands mentioned are particularly rare so I doubt the OP would be left high and dry whilst Hyundai source a specialist part for him.
Hyundai are just the sort of car to have potential parts supply tbh. Yes you can get good or bad in ANY make. However reliability surveys will usually give you a good guide to what generally tends to be reliable, and what doesnt. Whilst I have a strong like for LR products I have never ever seen them top of any Reliability Survey. (Well, maybe once before I realised the list was in reverse order)
In terms of parts availability none of the brands mentioned are particularly rare so I doubt the OP would be left high and dry whilst Hyundai source a specialist part for him.
Most expensive car I’ve owned was a Subaru. Cheapest is probably a Land Rover.
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